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OSU buys out game in Cincinnati and moves it to Columbus in 2012

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Honor&Glory;1119163; said:
I stoped reading your post after this part...anyting you had to say beyond 'cincitucky' was going to be biased and innacurate.
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you seem to have gotten a tad riled up over something you supposedly didn't even read. before you get your panties too far in a bunch that statement was ment as a joke. well, mostly ment as a joke. kidna 70/30 ish. ive lived in cincinnati for 10 years now. my gf is a uc grad. hell, my ex gf was a uc grad. most of the people i work with are uc or uk grads. while i do agree with cincibuck that the general mentality in cincy is a tad off and to be perfectly honest i don't think the people here realize they live in ohio. the reality is i like it here. good people and a good town.

as far as uc's football team is concerned, im extremely happy for them and root for them when they aren't playing tOSU. from hiring dantonio to kelley to joining the big east, i think they have made good decision after good decision. i was hoping the bucks would have come down to pbs. i was looking forward to the ribbing i was going to get. oh well, maybe next time.
 
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Since this, Cincy and OSU, is one of my favorite topics I hope people will continue to respond.

As I stated there are lots of reasons why OSU has a hard time getting ink and kids out of Southwestern Ohio. That's why I'd love to see the bucks and TBDBITL become a kind of once every five year fixture down here. You have to play OOC games anyway and this is an opportunity to maintain Big 10 superiority over one of the better programs in the Big East.

It gives me a chance to see the bucks in a good seat.

But I really think it helps to establish the program's presence in the mind of the locals. UK basketball has no problem coming in north so why should OSU find it so difficult to bus it down here?

If I were AD I'd book the Buckeye's in here once every four or five years and do the same in Cleveland and if there were a big enough stadium I'd play BG or Toledo up there once in a while to really put a pucker factor on the Michigan cross border raiders. Kinda like gunboat diplomacy, it's good to let the natives see the flag and smell the cordite.
 
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BUCKYLE;1120523; said:
tOSU playing inside the state of Ohio, yet not in Ohio Stadium is akin to your wife being a super-model and your mistress being a TSUN cheerleader.
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Yeah, but to the best of my knowledge my wife is not trying to recruit stud muffins.

If the Bucks are going to be stuck playing in-state rivals, and I think that's a political decision as well as an athletic one, then why not strengthen the base of your hold by going into the other two principal cities and playing an "at home" away game?

I could use my own argument 107K X $50 > 70K X $35, but you can't play 9 home games in a 12 game season and it makes more sense to play before 70K in Cincinnati or Cleveland than to play before 70K in Raleigh.
 
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cincibuck;1120612; said:
I could use my own argument 107K X $50 > 70K X $35, but you can't play 9 home games in a 12 game season and it makes more sense to play before 70K in Cincinnati or Cleveland than to play before 70K in Raleigh.
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Why? The boys down in Cincy know tOSU pretty damn well, as do most Ohioans. The boys down in NC may have never seen tOSU play. We recruit nationally, do we not?

If Cincy plays us close, or Woody forbid, actually...beat...us:lol:, then it would seem to negate any advances we had achieved in the area.

IMO, we have nothing to gain and everything to lose. I'm tired of tOSU looking out for little brother while little brother wants nothing more than to be the one to stick the knife in the back of the Ohio State program.

I feel like ORD. :p
 
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BUCKYLE;1120686; said:
Why? The boys down in Cincy know tOSU pretty damn well, as do most Ohioans. The boys down in NC may have never seen tOSU play. We recruit nationally, do we not?

If Cincy plays us close, or Woody forbid, actually...beat...us:lol:, then it would seem to negate any advances we had achieved in the area.

IMO, we have nothing to gain and everything to lose. I'm tired of tOSU looking out for little brother while little brother wants nothing more than to be the one to stick the knife in the back of the Ohio State program.

I feel like ORD. :p
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It keeps hundreds of thousands of dollars in the State of Ohio. That is far more important than the marginal benefit of making an out-of-state appearance for the purposes of being visible to recruits in that region. The age of barnstorming is over. You don't need to show up in town to get a kid to know about you. It's about playing in big games, being highly ranked, playing for championships, being on TV, and having players that win awards, break records and get drafted. Ohio State can accomplish all of those things while playing games against in-state opponents. We all saw the Buckeyes land Terrelle Pryor. Do you think he's coming to Columbus because of some of the reasons I just listed, or because the Buckeyes played a game in Happy Valley this past season?
 
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jlb1705;1120699; said:
It keeps hundreds of thousands of dollars in the State of Ohio. That is far more important than the marginal benefit of making an out-of-state appearance for the purposes of being visible to recruits in that region. The age of barnstorming is over. You don't need to show up in town to get a kid to know about you. It's about playing in big games, being highly ranked, playing for championships, being on TV, and having players that win awards, break records and get drafted. Ohio State can accomplish all of those things while playing games against in-state opponents. We all saw the Buckeyes land Terrelle Pryor. Do you think he's coming to Columbus because of some of the reasons I just listed, or because the Buckeyes played a game in Happy Valley this past season?
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I am obvioulsy aware of the amount of exposure a university such as Ohio State recieves. Cinci was saying it helps recruiting in those areas. My argument was that we are HIGHLY visible to any recruit living in Ohio. As far as recruiting goes, wouldn't we be better served reaching an audience in a different region all together?

I guess I just don't see the logic in lending a helping hand to schools that only have to gain from us, while offering almost absolutely nothing in return.

If it were up to me, we wouldn't play more than one "gimme" a year anyway.
 
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Don't understand the hullaballoo.....it is a simple economic situation. Nippert (still there?) doesn't hold nearly as many people, and I'd venture a guess that it's not half the price of OSU tickets. So for very little effort (a greyhound two hours north), UC collects a big payday. Hardly think that OSU is quaking in their boots dreaming about taking on UC at their place:biggrin:.

Other than basketball, and recently football, what other sports does UC field (that rank in any consequence)? I don't remember seeing (m)any, but UC is not a focus of mine.

Maybe OSU did dodge UC in basketball, but that was probably in protest of Huggins recruiting (and eligibility) practices, not a win or loss. OSU has lost to instate teams before (and still does - hockey comes to mind), and I seem to remember Miami University beating them in basketball once or twice.

So, just count the money, and the body bags after the game......

:gobucks3::gobucks4::banger:
 
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The exposure you get to recruits by playing a game on the road is miniscule. It means nothing. It's not as if you can host a recruit on the road. If you do get any significant exposure out of it, it is pretty much equal to what you'd get by playing them at home or on the moon or wherever. The exposure is a product of the magnitude of the matchup and it's coverage by TV - not the stadium or city it's played in.

The view about not wanting to "help out little brother" is short-sighted. Keeping those dollars generated by these football games in-state is important to Ohio. Insofar as it generates dollars for particular non-OSU institutions, it is also a benefit to you and me. The money that these schools make by playing against Ohio State is important. It brings an infusion of cash into the coffers of those athletic departments - none of which are self-sufficient. That cash decreases the amount of student fee dollars and tuition dollars that are used by those institutions to subsidize those athletic departments. And since these are all publically-funded institutions we are talking about, yes, Ohio State playing these schools is beneficial to the ENTIRE STATE OF OHIO.

Jim Tressel understands what this means. He mentions it every year leading up to whatever in-state opponent the Buckeyes are about to play - yet so many fans never seem to get it. He's been on the other side of it - as the AD at Youngstown State. These games have a significant impact on the state and local economies. I feel that Ohio State - as the state's flagship institution - has a DUTY to look out for those interests. I'd rather those dollars from ticket sales and payouts and fan spending stay in Ohio.
 
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Just for clarifying matters:

1. You won't EVER get Ohio State to play in Nippert. 40K vs 70+ at Paul Brown.

2. I think I'm right on this, there was direct political pressure placed on OSU to begin playing the in state schools. Not unlike well connected Louisville fans going down to Frankfurt and forcing UK to begin playing a home and home series with UL in football and basketball. If you look at the schedules from the 50s, 60s and 70s they were filled with Pac 8, ACC, Pitt, Penn State and Syracuse from the Big East and SMU, TCU and TAM from the old Southwest Conference.

3. In 1964 or 65 UNC came into Ohio Stadium and upset Woody, so it's not like we've never lost to an ACC team.

4. Sitting in Columbus or Dayton or Zanesville it's mighty hard not to get the impression that every kid in Ohio knows about the Buckeyes. Sitting in Cincinnati is another matter. Don't take my word for it. Look at responses from other OSU fans down here. Playing here, bringing in the band and flooding the streets with scarlet and grey clad fans brings about a realization that it is THE Ohio State University.

5. I can't help but think that more exposure in Cleveland would put a crimp on some of the Michigan an d Notre Dame recruiting out of what is still the biggest talent pool in the state.
 
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jlb1705;1120699; said:
It keeps hundreds of thousands of dollars in the State of Ohio. That is far more important than the marginal benefit of making an out-of-state appearance for the purposes of being visible to recruits in that region.
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We agree on much, but I have to disagree on this one. Ohio State refusing to play out of state is NOT going to bring the Ohio economy back. Besides, Ohio State does MORE than its share in attempting to revitalize the economy. That 720 million dollars in external research funding that we attracted last year had a greater economic impact on Ohio than a decade's worth of football seasons.

Ohio State should play a national schedule. Now I'm fine playing 1 in-state school per year in Ohio Stadium, but that should be the extent of it. What about the out of state/out of region alumni? In my book, they rate a far higher priority than Joe Cincinnatian. What about the alumni in Ohio, that might like to schedule an away trip to a locale somewhat more interesting than Clevleland?

I don't mind playing one game per decade in Cincinnati for the reasons cinci spoke of. That to my mind would be a decent compromise. I also don't mind playing one game per decade in Cleveland. Not because we need the exposure--as in Cincy--but rather as a reward to NE Ohio for supporting the football program and university as a whole as strongly as they do.
 
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Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the more in-state teams we play, the more our schedule has become a joke nationally. It might not have made any difference had we rolled into the NC game the last two years and come away with the trophy. We, however, didn't, and it has become just one more argument in the case why we shouldn't have been in the games to begin with.

Combine loading up our schedule with in-state teams with the widespread perceived weakness of the Big Ten, and you have the perfect situation for us to get left out of a National Championship game if there are 2 other (say a Pac 10 and an SEC) teams with equal w-l records.

As a condition of the state helping to fund the Ohio Stadium renovations, we were required to play 1 in-state team, at home for the following ten years. That was a fair demand, but it's one that has completely been taken to ridiculous lengths.

Also, screw these little schools and their little budgets. Believe me, since they all ganged up on Ohio State to have the state's higher education funding model revamped, Ohio State has done far, far more to subsidize their campuses than one measly football game's revenue.While some of them weren't part of the state system when those changes were made, they've certainly benefited from the results. We owe these schools nothing.
 
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