OSU buys out game in Cincinnati and moves it to Columbus in 2012

[Honor&Glory]

i laughed, then i cried, then i laughed again. as a resident of cincitucky for 10 years .

I stoped reading your post after this part...anyting you had to say beyond 'cincitucky' was going to be biased and innacurate.

 

[OSU2003TR]

and I think you are using the 'anyone, anywhere' comment backwards to make your point. 'anyone, anywhere' is always attributed to playing up in competition. not down. What can UC gain by playing MAC teams on a regular basis? Why shouldn't they shun the little guy and think bigger?

I grant you that a lot of UC fans are blowhards that have a hateful lust for Ohio State. attitudes like yours are probalby the reason.
I'm a UC almun and a fan, too. thanks for calling me 'unsophisticated'. I'll take the high road here.

Take it easy, bro - I hail from Cincinnati, and have plenty of friends down there. I'm not saying people down there are "unsophisticated" - it's a fine city with fine people. I'm not here to insult anyone personally, I was simply trying to be a little humorous while pointing out how their fans are acting on the message boards. They trash "o$u" fans for the way that they treat UC fans all day every day - all the while treating MU fans the exact same way. I think it's called "projection".

 

[BUCKYLE]

I grant you that a lot of UC fans are blowhards that have a hateful lust for Ohio State. attitudes like yours are probalby the reason.

The Cincinnati fans I've come accross (present company excluded) are the reason I don't give two shits about a bearcat. I'm sure you know plenty, the ones that root for scUM over the Bucks. I really don't care why little brother doesn't like us, though I'd think it has more to do with an inferiority complex and just plain ol' jealousy than remarks tOSU fans make from time to time when Cincinnati's historically sorry excuse for a football program crosses our minds.

 

[Honor&Glory]

The Cincinnati fans I've come accross (present company excluded) are the reason I don't give two shits about a bearcat. I'm sure you know plenty, the ones that root for scUM over the Bucks. I really don't care why little brother doesn't like us, though I'd think it has more to do with an inferiority complex and just plain ol' jealousy than remarks tOSU fans make from time to time when Cincinnati's historically sorry excuse for a football program crosses our minds.

I agree with some of what you say, but I really think OSU's refusal to play regular season basketball games with UC (the schools 'money' sport) has a lot more to do with it than anything else.

Yes, I know a few UC fans who do not like OSU but, generally, do not 'root' against OSU because they just don't care. Those UC fans would rather see UC beat OSU than scUM....however, I know plenty of UC fans, like myself, who were raised to be diehard Buckeye fans and even wear OSU gear to Nippert Stadium from time to time... (just not to the alumni functions before the game)

 

[cincibuck]

The UC basketabll fan and the UC football fan are two different breeds.

As I tried to point out most football fans in Cincinnati focus on their high school first, then the Bengals. If they pay attention to college ball at all it tends to be Notre Dame... it's a very Catholic town, especially on the west side.

Ohio State football is a curiousity to them, "what's with the red (they think Scarlet is the owner of Tara) and gray?" "Is that the school in Athens?" "Do they always get so worked up about the Michigan game?" "Is that something like UC and Miami?" "Oh, remember when we beat you in the NCAA's twice?"

Part is the history of the place, they really do see themselves apart from Ohio. It has cost them big time in the amount of pork flowing from Columbus and is a good part of the reason why Columbus now outstrips Cincinnati in size and growth.

Football wise, things really turned sour when Earl Bruce got into a pissing contest with the city's media. Cooper worked hard to restore relations and grabbed some very important recruits out of here that might well have gone to Ann Arbor or South Bend in previous years. The NC in 03 helped turn things even more favorably. But it is always tenuous.

It's a town with a very European mind set. You go to Elder or St.X because great, great grandaddy did. You stay in town for school or maybe wander as far away as Oxford, You work for P&G, you buy your home in Delhi or Anderson, but you don't leave The Capital city of the Tri-State.

The UC fans really yearn for a part of the action. Nippert is a sweet little stadium setting, right in the heart of the campus. The shift ot the Big East has them thinking they've come a long way toward narrowing the gap. Like Louisville, they have great facilities and potential and one of these years they will beat an OSU team. I don't blame them for their enthusiasm.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I grant you that a lot of UC fans are blowhards that have a hateful lust for Ohio State. attitudes like yours are probalby the reason.
I'm a UC almun and a fan, too. thanks for calling me 'unsophisticated'. I'll take the high road here.

You do realize that the whole "unsophisticated" bit was a metaphor...a metaphor for UC's nouveau riche BCS status? It wasn't a direct slam on UC or her alumni.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Where do the might Bearkittens stand. Top 20 program they're most definitely NOT. Here are the programs that I'd put ahead of them.

The entire SEC--12 schools
Big East: certainly Pitt and WVU, Syracuse based on tradition, history and future potential and Rutgers and Louisville based on better recent success--5 schools
Domers--1 school
Big Ten (all except NW and IU)--9 schools
Big 12: Texas, A&M, Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Colorado, Nebraska, Mizzou, ISU and with last year's success Kansas--11 schools
Pac 10--All 10
ACC: Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Maryland, BC, VT, GT and NC State--10 schools
Mid Majors: Boise, Fresno, BYU and Colorado State--4 schools

Being very generous, I have a hard time considering them a top 60 program!

I think you're being way generous. Navy, Miami (OH), Utah, Southern Miss....

I remember being damn near shocked about ten years ago upon seeing Cincinnati in a bowl game. Since then, things have been looking better, but their bowl trips have been littered with words like Motor City and Humanitarian. UC is a basketball school that only recently jumped on the serious football train. They're Villanova with a I-A football program. They're in basketball country, what with Louisville and UK being so nearby. The Big East has become a basketball conference - just look at the football lineup, it's a mishmash of basketball schools and football schools that didn't mesh geographically or academically with the ACC.

This is an outside-Ohio take, anyway. Cincy is indeed working on building a fine football program - finer than in the past anyway - and a little luck has helped them along the way. But to call them even a top-40 program as of right now is doable only by their very recent association with a conference that dubiously clings to BCS status; this is where the luck comes in, because had the ACC not also desired to boost their football status, Cincy would still be stuck in Conf-USA.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

O is a football factory. It is their one and only priority. "College" is not even part of the equation.

Now they're just being ludicrous.

Would someone care to remind them who is USN&WR tier 1 and who is tier 3.

Remind them who has a middle 50% ACT range of 26-30 and whose is 21-26.

Remind them who has 57% of their students come from the top tenth of their high school class as opposed to 1% from the bottom half and who has 21% of their students come from the top tenth of their high school class as opposed to 43% from the bottom half.

Remind them who does 720 million dollars a year in research and who does 200 million.

Remind them who has 23 members of the National Academies on faculty and who has ZERO.

Remind them whose graduate colleges of law, medicine, engineering and business all rank in the top 35 nationally and whose don't crack the top 50.

Remind them who was founded 140 years ago to be the state's flagship university and who was absorbed into the state system in 1977 to keep it from going bankrupt.

 

[OSU2003TR]

It's absolutely ridiculous over on their boards. They give themselves WAY too much credit.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

ORD doesn't pull punches.

:p

 

[Honor&Glory]

Now they're just being ludicrous.

Would someone care to remind them who is USN&WR tier 1 and who is tier 3.

Remind them who has a middle 50% ACT range of 26-30 and whose is 21-26.

Remind them who has 57% of their students come from the top tenth of their high school class as opposed to 1% from the bottom half and who has 21% of their students come from the top tenth of their high school class as opposed to 43% from the bottom half.

Remind them who does 720 million dollars a year in research and who does 200 million.

Remind them who has 23 members of the National Academies on faculty and who has ZERO.

Remind them whose graduate colleges of law, medicine, engineering and business all rank in the top 35 nationally and whose don't crack the top 50.

Remind them who was founded 140 years ago to be the state's flagship university and who was absorbed into the state system in 1977 to keep it from going bankrupt.

I do not doubt a single one of those numbers. But could you tell me where you got them? I'd like to look at them if I could.

And let's not be too pretentious, ORD. OSU has only in the last 15-20 increased it's academic profile with more stringent entrance requirements. I got in to OSU out of high school just as easily as I got into UC.

Off topic a little, but your numbers are exactly what Cincinnati is improving upon with Dr. Zimpher at the helm. However, most Bearcat fans refuse to see past that and only see the fact that she fired a blowhard drunk who most UC fans hold in higher regard than the school itself. That, if anything, makes that post you pulled from the UC board a very hypocritical statment...UC fans only care about being a basketball factory. They just don't like to admit it while attacking OSU.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I do not doubt a single one of those numbers. But could you tell me where you got them? I'd like to look at them if I could.

And let's not be too pretentious, ORD. OSU has only in the last 15-20 increased it's academic profile with more stringent entrance requirements. I got in to OSU out of high school just as easily as I got into UC.

Off topic a little, but your numbers are exactly what Cincinnati is improving upon with Dr. Zimpher at the helm. However, most Bearcat fans refuse to see past that and only see the fact that she fired a blowhard drunk who most UC fans hold in higher regard than the school itself. That, if anything, makes that post you pulled from the UC board a very hypocritical statment...UC fans only care about being a basketball factory. They just don't like to admit it while attacking OSU.

One thing to remember about the undergrad admissions at Ohio State is that OSU was ready to make those changes in the early sixties when most of the B10 schools did similarly in anticipation of the baby boom enrollment surge. They were prevented from doing so, and forced to fall behind most of the other B10 schools, through a twisted political alliance of Jim Rhodes and the presidents of Miami of Ohio and OU who saw Rhodes as their chance to turn back the decisions of the 1860s which passed them over to be the state's flagship university in favor of founding a new university to fulfill that role--the source of the whole Fredo analogy. Also, during that time, Ohio State's faculty and administration was very adept at flunking out the 25% of each freshman class who they felt never should have been admitted, so once you hit the sophomore classes and above, there wasn't that much difference between Ohio State and its B10 peers.

The actual numbers come from a variety of sources, admissions data from each school's website. National Academy membership from the National Academies websites, research figures from the NRC, USN&WR rankings from--well--USN&WR.

I am aware of the changes going on at UC. In fact, despite my reputation as being uncompromisingly hostile to all of the other state universities, I fully support what's occurring at UC. While I believe that Ohio went off the rails when it let every state school try to turn themselves into an Ohio State clone, I do believe that Ohio needs more than one comprehensive research university, and UC is both the school best in a position to be that secondary research university (the Virginia Tech to our UVA) as well as being located in the major city that doesn't already have a major public or private research university. Ohio State is, was founded to be and always will be the state's flagship university. UC should play a complementary role as the state's other comprehensive research university. The rest should have their scope limited and controlled.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Off topic a little, but your numbers are exactly what Cincinnati is improving upon with Dr. Zimpher at the helm. However, most Bearcat fans refuse to see past that and only see the fact that she fired a blowhard drunk who most UC fans hold in higher regard than the school itself. That, if anything, makes that post you pulled from the UC board a very hypocritical statment...UC fans only care about being a basketball factory. They just don't like to admit it while attacking OSU.

The thing that kills me about that board is the absolute loathing for Zimpher. She's taken UC's reputation higher than it's ever been, yet they think she's trying to destroy the place. The ones who really crack me up are the clowns who demonize her because she's an Ohio State alum and actually try to argue that she fired Huggins to help Ohio State's basketball program.

 

[Honor&Glory]

Oh, I agree. Whenever her name is announced at UC events the boos cascade for minutes. I get in a lot of verbal fistacuffs over that because I usually stand on my seat to applaud her and her efforts. Is she perfect? no. Does she still dress like a .25 cent hooker doing two for one specials? yes. does she have a vision for the University and has upgraded the academic standards of the school? hell yes! More kids from St. X attended UC in this last freshman class than they did in the last 5 years combined. That's saying something.

Great conversation/discussion, ORD.
I've enjoyed it much. No hard feelings.

 

[Zippercat]

Just point me in the direction of Ellie Mae

She looks more like Granny by now, I'll bet!