OSU buys out game in Cincinnati and moves it to Columbus in 2012

[BearcatShane09]

Where do the might Bearkittens stand. Top 20 program they're most definitely NOT. Here are the programs that I'd put ahead of them.

The entire SEC--12 schools
Big East: certainly Pitt and WVU, Syracuse based on tradition, history and future potential and Rutgers and Louisville based on better recent success--5 schools
Domers--1 school
Big Ten (all except NW and IU)--9 schools
Big 12: Texas, A&M, Tech, OU, OSU, KSU, Colorado, Nebraska, Mizzou, ISU and with last year's success Kansas--11 schools
Pac 10--All 10
ACC: Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Maryland, BC, VT, GT and NC State--10 schools
Mid Majors: Boise, Fresno, BYU and Colorado State--4 schools

Being very generous, I have a hard time considering them a top 60 program!

Aren't the Bearcats still regularly losing recruiting battles to Miami and the MAC? They're in the BCS but UC isn't the least successful BCS program but in terms of attendance, media attention, etc they're near the bottom. UC signed it's death sentence when they canned Bob Huggins.

Im not gonna lie, UC has lost a couple of recruiting battles to Miami Ohio over the past couple years, but I believe if UC can maintain the momentum they gained in the 2007 season that will no longer be an issue and UC can start recruiting against Indiana, Kentucky, Purdue, Pitt, Ect.. With an occasional recruiting win over a Michigan or OSU every now and then. Now that high school kids realize Cincinnati is someone to look at, I think you will see much improved recruiting starting with the upcoming class.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Im not gonna lie, UC has lost a couple of recruiting battles to Miami Ohio over the past couple years, but I believe if UC can maintain the momentum they gained in the 2007 season that will no longer be an issue and UC can start recruiting against Indiana, Kentucky, Purdue, Pitt, Ect.. With an occasional recruiting win over a Michigan or OSU every now and then. Now that high school kids realize Cincinnati is someone to look at, I think you will see much improved recruiting starting with the upcoming class.

you've dug a deep a grave with minorities by the enlightened Nancy Zimpher

 

[osugrad21]

DDN
UC will move game against Buckeyes to Columbus

OSU needed an 8th home game in 2012, so it had the UC contest switched from Paul Brown Stadium.

By Dan Sewell
Associated Press

Wednesday, March 19, 2008
CINCINNATI ? The University of Cincinnati has agreed to move its 2012 football game with Ohio State from Cincinnati to Columbus for nearly $1 million, school officials said Tuesday, March 18.
Ohio State wanted to opt out of the 2012 game scheduled at Paul Brown Stadium, as allowed under its contract with Cincinnati, UC Athletic Director Mike Thomas said. The Bearcats then negotiated to play that game at Ohio State for extra compensation.



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[osugrad21]

Dispatch
OSU Football: UC game in 2012 moved to Columbus

Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:00 AM
By Tim May


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
For those Ohio State football fans who are into advance planning, note this change: The Buckeyes will play Cincinnati in Ohio Stadium in 2012 instead making the trip to the Queen City. "Our idea was to try to get (another) home game that particular year, and we were able to work with Cincinnati and get it done," OSU athletic director Gene Smith said.
OSU first told UC it was going to exercise its option in the contract to back out of the road game. The two sides agreed to switch the game to Ohio Stadium with UC gaining yearly cash payments between now and then that will equal $1?million, according to a UC news release.
"It was clear that Ohio State was prepared to exercise its contractual option to vacate this particular game, but we were able to negotiate an enhanced agreement for 2012," UC athletic director Mike Thomas said in the news release. "UC had no legal recourse, nor means to stop this action from taking place, due to the language in the original contract."



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[Honor&Glory]

you've dug a deep a grave with minorities by the enlightened Nancy Zimpher

why? because she mandated that kids actually do class work of harder nature to earn their degrees and that carying guns around campus, punching police horses, torturing roomates with a heated clothes hanger, driving drunk and 0.0 grade point averages weren't going to be tolerated?


please.

as a UC almumn, I say 'BRAVO' Dr. Zimpher. UC has had one of the top football graduating rates for years and is, annually, in the top 5% for its African-American student athletes. I don't know what 'grave' you are talking about, but I completely disagree with you. UC will be just fine athletically and academically.

 

[OSU2003TR]

I understand why people might be bothered by this move in Cincinnati, but it was in the contract, was it not? OSU exercising its contractual right to opt out is no different than when any athlete or team does it. It takes two parties to make a contract, does it not?

As far as their coach saying they'd play "anyone, anywhere"...he's always been a good quote and has done a great job rallying the troops down there. But isn't he the one that doesn't want to ever have to play Miami (OH) in Oxford ever again? Didn't he say he'd play them on a neutral field, but doesn't want to have to play on their field anymore?

 

[Honor&Glory]

I understand why people might be bothered by this move in Cincinnati, but it was in the contract, was it not? OSU exercising its contractual right to opt out is no different than when any athlete or team does it. It takes two parties to make a contract, does it not?

As far as their coach saying they'd play "anyone, anywhere"...he's always been a good quote and has done a great job rallying the troops down there. But isn't he the one that doesn't want to ever have to play Miami (OH) in Oxford ever again? Didn't he say he'd play them on a neutral field, but doesn't want to have to play on their field anymore?

yes, he did. But you are using it out of context a bit. When BK made the statement he was referring to raising the profile of UC football in the big east and that it might be time to consider not playing home and home games with MAC schools and playing home games with OSU, Oklahoma, VaTech, etc...well, Oklahoma and VaTech are still on for future home dates at least.

 

[cincibuck]

"And you can spin it anyway you want as well, but until we do something more than justscare OSU acting like they are afraid of us isn't much more than wishfull thinking.

These aren't the actions of a school that is afraid of UC, these are the actions of a school that still considers UC a marginal program. "

A quote from that board posted above. True statement.

Personally, I would love to win this game by no less than 50 points. These pseudo-UC fans are embarrassing.

OK, OSU BS, UC MEd, and Cincinnati resident, not that that has anything to do with it. The fact is that OSU is a hard sell in this corner of the state where the prevailing mentality is that the city is only marginally connected to Ohio. Cincinnatians think of themselves as the residents of The Capital of Tri-State... you'll find it right next to Narnia and 50 miles south of Lake Woebegone... they keep waiting for the tax revenoue from the other two parts of Tri-State to come rolling in. They know something is wrong with the system, but to investigate would break the magic and bring an end to the beautiful myth.

The they-don't-want-to-play-us argument stems from basketball. Fred Taylor never wanted UC on his schedule and probably for the very reason UC fans quote. Fred was having a hard enough time getting kids to come to OSU because Fred ran a clean program and because OSU was seen as a "football school." Not very earth shattering news there.

As for moving this game and not getting into a home and home commitment with an ooc school, do the math: 107,000 X $50 versus 70,000 X $35.

Just ask Northwestern, who Steinbrenner bought out and moved their home game against the Bucks to Cleveland Municipal.

I'm dissappointed as I really enjoyed watching the Buckeyes in Paul Brown. It's still the biggest football crowd in the stadium's less-than-glorious history. The sudden emergence of so many scarlet and gray clad football fans stunned this city, many of whom think the big state school's name is spelled N-O-T-R-E D-A-M-E.

It's a great chance to sell the program to folks in Northern Kentucky and this part of the state, bringing in attention that you normally don't get from the media, dominated by the Reds and Bengals. I think the bucks are shooting themselves in the foot by not playing a game down here every four or five years and one in Cleveland on a simililar four oir five year rotation. think of it as a way to cut off Rod Job's and the Walrus's recruiting base.

 

[OSU2003TR]

yes, he did. But you are using it out of context a bit. When BK made the statement he was referring to raising the profile of UC football in the big east and that it might be time to consider not playing home and home games with MAC schools and playing home games with OSU, Oklahoma, VaTech, etc...well, Oklahoma and VaTech are still on for future home dates at least.

I absolutely "get" why he wouldn't want to play road games at MAC schools. But when he runs around flappin' his gums and beating his chest saying he'd play "anyone, anywhere" he's going to get called out for it not being true.



I liken UC football right now to (bear with me):

Say an "unsophisticated" family wins some megaball jackpot lottery, moves out of the sticks and relocates to a mansion in LA or Miami or something because they've suddenly found themselves better off.

Just because this "unsophisticated" family is in the same tax bracket as the "elite" crowd doesn't mean they're "one of them" - they're not going to automatically be treated like the elite crowd and granted membership to the fanciest country clubs in town based on some money falling into their laps.

UC fans remind me of this hypothetical "unsophisticated" family...outraged that they're not being treated the same as everyone else. After all, they're in the BCS now. Aren't all BCS schools equal to one another?

 

[osugrad21]

I liken UC football right now to (bear with me):

Say an "unsophisticated" family wins some megaball jackpot lottery, moves out of the sticks and relocates to a mansion in LA or Miami or something because they've suddenly found themselves better off.

Just because this "unsophisticated" family is in the same tax bracket as the "elite" crowd doesn't mean they're "one of them" - they're not going to automatically be treated like the elite crowd and granted membership to the fanciest country clubs in town based on some money falling into their laps.

UC fans remind me of this hypothetical "unsophisticated" family...outraged that they're not being treated the same as everyone else. After all, they're in the BCS now. Aren't all BCS schools equal to one another?

Barely kept his family fed?

Then one day while he was shootin' at some food?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Say an "unsophisticated" family wins some megaball jackpot lottery, moves out of the sticks and relocates to a mansion in LA or Miami or something because they've suddenly found themselves better off.

Just because this "unsophisticated" family is in the same tax bracket as the "elite" crowd doesn't mean they're "one of them" - they're not going to automatically be treated like the elite crowd and granted membership to the fanciest country clubs in town based on some money falling into their laps.

UC fans remind me of this hypothetical "unsophisticated" family...outraged that they're not being treated the same as everyone else. After all, they're in the BCS now. Aren't all BCS schools equal to one another?

Just point me in the direction of Ellie Mae, where we beat UC in '12 does not really concern me.

 

[Honor&Glory]

I absolutely "get" why he wouldn't want to play road games at MAC schools. But when he runs around flappin' his gums and beating his chest saying he'd play "anyone, anywhere" he's going to get called out for it not being true.



I liken UC football right now to (bear with me):

Say an "unsophisticated" family wins some megaball jackpot lottery, moves out of the sticks and relocates to a mansion in LA or Miami or something because they've suddenly found themselves better off.

Just because this "unsophisticated" family is in the same tax bracket as the "elite" crowd doesn't mean they're "one of them" - they're not going to automatically be treated like the elite crowd and granted membership to the fanciest country clubs in town based on some money falling into their laps.

UC fans remind me of this hypothetical "unsophisticated" family...outraged that they're not being treated the same as everyone else. After all, they're in the BCS now. Aren't all BCS schools equal to one another?

and I think you are using the 'anyone, anywhere' comment backwards to make your point. 'anyone, anywhere' is always attributed to playing up in competition. not down. What can UC gain by playing MAC teams on a regular basis? Why shouldn't they shun the little guy and think bigger?

I grant you that a lot of UC fans are blowhards that have a hateful lust for Ohio State. attitudes like yours are probalby the reason.
I'm a UC almun and a fan, too. thanks for calling me 'unsophisticated'. I'll take the high road here.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

As for moving this game and not getting into a home and home commitment with an ooc school, do the math: 107,000 X $50 versus 70,000 X $35.

Winner.

I love the "Well, because UC almost ruined OSU's 2002 NC they're afraid to go back to PBS."



Sure... that's it. The Buckeyes, in 2012 will be "afraid" (or even that the Buckeyes now, some 6 years later are afraid) of what occured 10 years prior.... Laughable.

It's the same reason Ohio State hasn't scheduled Cornell since 1939 and 1940. Straight up fear.

 

[BB73]

Just point me in the direction of Ellie Mae, where we beat UC in '12 does not really concern me.

I think BP's elliemae hails from the Pittsburgh area, if that helps.

bp.profile

 

[martinss01]

The fact is that OSU is a hard sell in this corner of the state where the prevailing mentality is that the city is only marginally connected to Ohio. Cincinnatians think of themselves as the residents of The Capital of Tri-State... you'll find it right next to Narnia and 50 miles south of Lake Woebegone... they keep waiting for the tax revenoue from the other two parts of Tri-State to come rolling in. They know something is wrong with the system, but to investigate would break the magic and bring an end to the beautiful myth.

i laughed, then i cried, then i laughed again. as a resident of cincitucky for 10 years this statement is so completely true its actually a little sad. everytime i drive up to columbus i actually look for signs saying "now entering ohio".