Oregon Ducks

[rock454]

Right. Just like it did last time.

I know ESPN gets a lot of credit for OSU getting screwed, and some of it is warranted, but I think the Pryor/Tressel situation doesn't get enough blame.
From Wikipedia, here is the poll for the season following the 2009 Rose Bowl. OSU started out as #2 and even had a solid hold on #1 until losing to Wiscy in week 7. So obviously voters were giving OSU credit for that win along with beating a decent Miami team. I think the Arkansas win would've had a similar impact had the Pryor/Tressel situation not unfolded. OSU hasn't had a big win since then, so there's been no opportunity to prove they belong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings



Edit: Comparing the 2010 preseason poll to the 2013 preseason poll is good evidence of the effect ESPN has had through. 2 SEC teams in top 10 vs. 5 SEC teams in top 10.

 

[muffler dragon]

@rock454 I wasn't isolating the situation to ESPN. As a matter of fact, I wasn't narrowing my statement to any particular factors. I just don't think a victory in the Rose Bowl this year will pay any dividend towards a re-evaluation on the Buckeyes. Some way, shape or form, it will be marginalized and diminished should it occur.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I know ESPN gets a lot of credit for OSU getting screwed, and some of it is warranted, but I think the Pryor/Tressel situation doesn't get enough blame.
From Wikipedia, here is the poll for the season following the 2009 Rose Bowl. OSU started out as #2 and even had a solid hold on #1 until losing to Wiscy in week 7. So obviously voters were giving OSU credit for that win along with beating a decent Miami team. I think the Arkansas win would've had a similar impact had the Pryor/Tressel situation not unfolded. OSU hasn't had a big win since then, so there's been no opportunity to prove they belong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

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Edit: Comparing the 2010 preseason poll to the 2013 preseason poll is good evidence of the effect ESPN has had through. 2 SEC teams in top 10 vs. 5 SEC teams in top 10.

Eh, tOSU still dropped 9 spots for losing to Wisky, who was ranked 9th after beating tOSU. It took Stanford losing two games to drop that far.

 

[Wingate1217]

I know ESPN gets a lot of credit for OSU getting screwed, and some of it is warranted, but I think the Pryor/Tressel situation doesn't get enough blame.
From Wikipedia, here is the poll for the season following the 2009 Rose Bowl. OSU started out as #2 and even had a solid hold on #1 until losing to Wiscy in week 7. So obviously voters were giving OSU credit for that win along with beating a decent Miami team. I think the Arkansas win would've had a similar impact had the Pryor/Tressel situation not unfolded. OSU hasn't had a big win since then, so there's been no opportunity to prove they belong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

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Edit: Comparing the 2010 preseason poll to the 2013 preseason poll is good evidence of the effect ESPN has had through. 2 SEC teams in top 10 vs. 5 SEC teams in top 10.

Sorry but I don't buy all of that....
When we lost we dropped to number 11 (ten spots) and when Bama lost they dropped to #8 (7 spots.) And how do you explain Stanford? They pass us in a bye week (week 10). I guess we didn't put enough points against bye. I hear what you are saying and I agree to a point but that doesn't explain some of the things I see in the illustration you posted....

 

[rock454]

@rock454 I wasn't isolating the situation to ESPN. As a matter of fact, I wasn't narrowing my statement to any particular factors. I just don't think a victory in the Rose Bowl this year will pay any dividend towards a re-evaluation on the Buckeyes. Some way, shape or form, it will be marginalized and diminished should it occur.

Won't disagree. I'm sure people will all of the sudden remember that Oregon has struggled against a lot of good teams. It's too bad that Stanford shit the bed since everyone seemed convinced that they were legitimate. I do think that a convincing win over Oregon would go a long way in keeping OSU ahead of Oregon in polls next year, regardless of how many points they're scoring against crap teams.

 

[ochre]

I know ESPN gets a lot of credit for OSU getting screwed, and some of it is warranted, but I think the Pryor/Tressel situation doesn't get enough blame.
From Wikipedia, here is the poll for the season following the 2009 Rose Bowl. OSU started out as #2 and even had a solid hold on #1 until losing to Wiscy in week 7. So obviously voters were giving OSU credit for that win along with beating a decent Miami team. I think the Arkansas win would've had a similar impact had the Pryor/Tressel situation not unfolded. OSU hasn't had a big win since then, so there's been no opportunity to prove they belong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings

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Edit: Comparing the 2010 preseason poll to the 2013 preseason poll is good evidence of the effect ESPN has had through. 2 SEC teams in top 10 vs. 5 SEC teams in top 10.

Alabama loses to a one loss SC that was ranked 19 at the time and drops to #8; OSU loses to a one loss Wisconsin that was ranked 18 at the time and drops to #11. Alabama stays 2 spots ahead of SC after their loss, OSU drops behind Wisconsin after their loss.

 

[rock454]

Sorry but I don't buy all of that....
When we lost we dropped to number 11 (ten spots) and when Bama lost they dropped to #8 (7 spots.) And how do you explain Stanford? They pass us in a bye week (week 10). I guess we didn't put enough points against bye. I hear what you are saying and I agree to a point but that doesn't explain some of the things I see in the illustration you posted....

I did look it up what may have caused the issues you raised. Stanford beat #13 ASU 42-17 on OSU's bye week, thats what cause voters to give them a bump. It's arguable, but understandable.

Bama lost 21-35 to #19 South Carolina at South Carolina and dropped 7, while OSU lost 18-31 to #18 Wisconsin at Camp Randall and dropped 10. That discrepancy favors the argument that there's bias for SEC and against OSU.

OSU hasn't had a sexy perception for a while, and that probably did influence the big drop, but if we're undefeated and hammered Oregon the previous year, I'd like to think that pollsters would keep that in mind in keeping OSU ahead of them in the polls.

 

[rock454]

Alabama loses to a one loss SC that was ranked 19 at the time and drops to #8; OSU loses to a one loss Wisconsin that was ranked 18 at the time and drops to #11. Alabama stays 2 spots ahead of SC after their loss, OSU drops behind Wisconsin after their loss.

I'm not at all trying to argue that there isn't a bias against OSU/B1G and for the SEC. My only point was that a big win over Oregon did seem to help OSU the following year until they lost, after that voters were free to do whatever they wanted and bias may have played a roll.

 

[kujirakira]

You guys do realize you're arguing if the media would "let" us get a "playoff" birth next year on something like a 37 game win streak on the condition that we beat Oregon (Clemson of the West) ... and we're wondering if there is a media bias ????
It's just that ingrained at this point, I think. It's pervasive.

 

[Dryden]

You guys do realize you're arguing if the media would "let" us get a "playoff" birth next year on something like a 37 game win streak on the condition that we beat Oregon (Clemson of the West) ... and we're wondering if there is a media bias ????
It's just that ingrained at this point, I think. It's pervasive.

It is so ingrained that when Ohio State wins their 48 straight in 2015 to break Oklahoma's record, the mediots will say it is just because OSU played a weak schedule by ducking the previous three national championship games.

 

[BUCKYLE]

If tOSU is left out of the NC, I really hope Stanford is the Rose Bowl opponent. Then I want to see tOSU run Dave fifty times and make Stanford tap out. STANFORD FOOTBALL

 

[Mariotwins]

If tOSU is left out of the NC, I really hope Stanford is the Rose Bowl opponent. Then I want to see tOSU run Dave fifty times and make Stanford tap out. STANFORD FOOTBALL

As opposed to playing Oregon running Dave 50 times and making them tap out? STANFORD FOOTBALL

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

We beat Arkansas (a middle of the road SEC team) by 5 points. They had the ball inside our 20 with minutes left. I wouldn't say we smacked them. You can argue that we should have smacked them, but it didn't happen. Arkansas was 8-5, 5-7, and 8-5 in the 3 seasons prior to that game.

Beating Oregon in 2009 is not the same as beating Oregon in 2013. Also, to get respect from Beating the SEC it has to be an SEC power team like LSU or Bama. No one outside of Ohio cares that we beat Arkansas with the Tat Five.

The year we beat Arky, they were the #2 SEC team, not middle of the road. I wouldn't say we smacked them, but I can say we controlled the entire game, even when we tried to lose in the 4th quarter, we still controlled the game.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I agree that beating Oregon in the Rose, should that happen, will have zero effect on next year's polls. Some one said a page ago that OSU has to beat an SEC team to rehab its reputation. I'll remind everyone that that actually occurred when OSU beat Arkansas in the Sugar, and two guys at ESPN - Frosted Tips and Fowler were so impressed they dropped Ohio State in the final poll.

That's the problem with chasing the moving goals set up by other people - once you do what they ask, they move the goal.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

I agree that beating Oregon in the Rose, should that happen, will have zero effect on next year's polls. Some one said a page ago that OSU has to beat an SEC team to rehab its reputation. I'll remind everyone that that actually occurred when OSU beat Arkansas in the Sugar, and two guys at ESPN - Frosted Tips and Fowler were so impressed they dropped Ohio State in the final poll.

That's the problem with chasing the moving goals set up by other people - once you do what they ask, they move the goal.

Right now we are in a tough situation. If we beat Oregon, it is because Oregon isn't that good. If we lose it proves that they were right about us and we drop hard and fast and Oregon will be this amazing team. If we lose any game, OOC or in conference, we will drop hard and fast. If we go undefeated for 4 years in a row (not going to happen) in the current system, that's because we avoided the NC game, but it's their fault they didn't let us in. We are in a tight spot, it's almost like March Madness that goes on for years. It almost takes the fun out of watching football, because we're fighting for so much more than a football game, we're fighting for pride and holding the entire big ten on our shoulders doing it. The only way I see this changing is if we can go 2-1 against the SEC and Big 12 in bowl games this year and win the Rose Bowl. The only way to go to a national title is if Bama and Baylor lose (very possible), FSU isn't going to lose in the ACC, and beating them won't do crap for our reputation. The only way a national title is really valid for us is if we beat the SEC champ in it. So I guess maybe if Winston gets the boot and Florida takes care of them for us, then we can play Bama.