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Operation Chaos mode - BCS Title game contenders

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I was listening to the Scott Van Pelt show today and near the end they brought up the state of the SEC. All I could think of was, Great another circle jerk session of how great they are. It actually turned out that they started talking about how the SEC has fallen and now is basically even with the other Conferences. Pelt talked about how the SEC has only two great teams in the Conference and thinks Florida isn't the best (My thought as well). Anyway they brought up that each Conference has two or three good teams and that the SEC doesn't have the "depth" it had a year ago.

The reason I bring this up, looking at the schedule this weekend, I can see Texas losing (OU), VT losing (GT), and also USC losing (ND). IMHO it is at all possible we maybe in the top 5 at the end of the weekend. That leaves Boise State, Florida and Bama ahead of us. Florida and Bama play each other and I feel Bama is going to beat Florida this year and I don't think it will be all that close.

All in all, at the weeks end we could be very close.
 
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(o) IoI /o (o);1565710; said:
The reason I bring this up, looking at the schedule this weekend, I can see Texas losing (OU), VT losing (GT), and also USC losing (ND). IMHO it is at all possible we maybe in the top 5 at the end of the weekend. That leaves Boise State, Florida and Bama ahead of us. Florida and Bama play each other and I feel Bama is going to beat Florida this year and I don't think it will be all that close.

All in all, at the weeks end we could be very close.
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And USC jumped Boise in the Coaches with both teams on a bye. I was planning on going over things tonight and setting up the teams to root for/ root against. So I'll get started here pretty soon.

CHAOS!!!!!
 
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If we beat Iowa and Penn State (especially with it being at their place), I think that will get us past an undefeated Cincy and Boise. In terms of the SEC, I think there are 3 legit top 15 teams with LSU, Alabama and Florida. However, I think the Big 12 has two (OU and UT), the Big Ten has two, maybe three (Penn State, OSU, maybe Iowa), the Pac 10 has 1, perhaps 2 (USC for sure and possibly Oregon), the Big East has 1 (UC) and the ACC has two (Miami and VTech). In other words, the conference disparity is there this year in terms of elite teams. Of course it's a tad early to say this list is absolute but I'm thinking if we can win out (it's going to be really difficult), our schedule won't be held against us and I think we stand a decent chance of going to the NC over any other 1 loss team. We lost to a good USC team narrowly at the beginning of the season...chaos bodes well for us but at this point, I don't see the rest of the year having to get too chaotic for us to go to the NC if we take care of business. I used to not want us to get there simply because I thought Florida and Texas to be too mighty to take down. Right now I honestly think our defense gives us a chance to compete with anyone in the country. Our offense will need to have some improvement but it doesn't have to be spectacular...it just has to be adequate.
 
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If we beat Iowa and Penn State (especially with it being at their place), I think that will get us past an undefeated Cincy and Boise. In terms of the SEC, I think there are 3 legit top 15 teams with LSU, Alabama and Florida. However, I think the Big 12 has two (OU and UT), the Big Ten has two, maybe three (Penn State, OSU, maybe Iowa), the Pac 10 has 1, perhaps 2 (USC for sure and possibly Oregon), the Big East has 1 (UC) and the ACC has two (Miami and VTech). In other words, the conference disparity is there this year in terms of elite teams. Of course it's a tad early to say this list is absolute but I'm thinking if we can win out (it's going to be really difficult), our schedule won't be held against us and I think we stand a decent chance of going to the NC over any other 1 loss team. We lost to a good USC team narrowly at the beginning of the season...chaos bodes well for us but at this point, I don't see the rest of the year having to get too chaotic for us to go to the NC if we take care of business. I used to not want us to get there simply because I thought Florida and Texas to be too mighty to take down. Right now I honestly think our defense gives us a chance to compete with anyone in the country. Our offense will need to have some improvement but it doesn't have to be spectacular...it just has to be adequate.
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I really do agree with everything you said. I think it is in our favor to reach, whether that is good or bad, according to everyone's opinion. IMHO I think there is only a few things that may be held against us.

1. I think the NMST will come at a bad time in our schedule and may kill national perception. On the same note, we play State Penn, Iowa and scUM that last three weeks and that will help us if we win out.

2. I don't know why but the Boise State ranking and them being ahead of us really bothers me and I really don't know why. For some reason I feel the pollsters feel the need to have a non-BCS team up top to appease...hopefully if everything works out they don't stick them in the MNC. Their Bowl Schedule vs ours in the past couple years is a positive for Boise ST...

3. the layoff at the end of the season compared to the rest of the Conferences and their Conference Championships. I was hoping scUM was going to beat Sparty, so when we go to their house and smoke them, it would look better for us beating three top 25 teams at the end with two on the road. Its a shame and great at the same time that Dick Rod is such a asshat.

If everything works out this weekend, VT, TEX and USC all lose, we could be sitting in the drivers seat to see the MNC.
 
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Tulsa and Boise could be a good ballgame. Tulsa has a defense that gets a lot of sacks, they average about 3 per game. If they can get pressure on Boise St I think they can make it interesting. I have watched Boise twice this year. They didn't necessarily beat Oregon, Oregon beat themselves in that game. They didn't want to be there, or so it seemed. I also watched Boise against Fresno St. Anyone remember Matthews from Fresno going for 234 on 19 carries? They (Boise) demonstrated that they are capable of shootouts........which, to me, is a sign of a pretender Anyone that gives up that many points in a win will eventually be exposed.
 
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(o) IoI /o (o);1565782; said:
I really do agree with everything you said. I think it is in our favor to reach, whether that is good or bad, according to everyone's opinion. IMHO I think there is only a few things that may be held against us.

1. I think the NMST will come at a bad time in our schedule and may kill national perception. On the same note, we play State Penn, Iowa and scUM that last three weeks and that will help us if we win out.

2. I don't know why but the Boise State ranking and them being ahead of us really bothers me and I really don't know why. For some reason I feel the pollsters feel the need to have a non-BCS team up top to appease...hopefully if everything works out they don't stick them in the MNC. Their Bowl Schedule vs ours in the past couple years is a positive for Boise ST...

3. the layoff at the end of the season compared to the rest of the Conferences and their Conference Championships. I was hoping scUM was going to beat Sparty, so when we go to their house and smoke them, it would look better for us beating three top 25 teams at the end with two on the road. Its a shame and great at the same time that Dick Rod is such a asshat.

If everything works out this weekend, VT, TEX and USC all lose, we could be sitting in the drivers seat to see the MNC.
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1. Only if we play down to NMSU.... if we blow the doors off of them everyone will see it as us hitting all cylinders
2. Boise will fall dramatically in the poll that matters... the BCS standing due to the comps... even if OSU doesn't jump them... which USC showed... it can be done with nothing(it was actually our win that pushed USC over Boise.
3. This has never hurt us. The only way it could is if a team behind us... say UT does get beat but makes the B12 title... then wins their CG in convincing fashion.

We are in really good shape with 1 loss......more to come.
 
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(o) IoI /o (o);1565710; said:
I was listening to the Scott Van Pelt show today and near the end they brought up the state of the SEC. All I could think of was, Great another circle jerk session of how great they are. It actually turned out that they started talking about how the SEC has fallen and now is basically even with the other Conferences. Pelt talked about how the SEC has only two great teams in the Conference and thinks Florida isn't the best (My thought as well). Anyway they brought up that each Conference has two or three good teams and that the SEC doesn't have the "depth" it had a year ago.
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College Football Today showed this graphic as the toughest remaining game for the top 8 teams:

1. Florida - Arkansas
2. Bama - LSU
3. Texas - Oklahoma
4, Va Tech - Ga Tech
5. Boise - Idaho
6. USC - Oregon
7. tOSU - Iowa
8. Cincy - USF

It's amazing that Arkansas is considered to be Florida's toughest remaining opponent. I thing they should have picked S. Carolina, who is a ranked team, but not a scary opponent.

Ky is 2-3, Georgia is 3-3 and lost to Okie State, Tennesee is 3-3 and lost to UCLA, and Vandy just lost to Army - so the rest of the SEC East isn't looking real tough.

And since FSU sucks, Florida's non-conf schedule is almost at bad as Penn State's: Charleston Southern, Troy, Fla Int'l, and FSU. But I doubt there will be much complaining in the national media about it.
 
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NateG;1565814; said:
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1. Only if we play down to NMSU.... if we blow the doors off of them everyone will see it as us hitting all cylinders
2. Boise will fall dramatically in the poll that matters... the BCS standing due to the comps... even if OSU doesn't jump them... which USC showed... it can be done with nothing(it was actually our win that pushed USC over Boise.
3. This has never hurt us. The only way it could is if a team behind us... say UT does get beat but makes the B12 title... then wins their CG in convincing fashion.

We are in really good shape with 1 loss......more to come.
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All very good points, it's just how the pollsters and the computer will perceive. I just posted this in another thread but I think it will help the discussion over here too. At the end of the season we may have a great resume put together:

1. 4-1 in Top 25 games (W - PSU, Iowa, Wiscy and possibly scUM (since right now they are media favorites) L - USC) 2 W's on the road
2. 2-1 in Top 10 games (W - PSU and Iowa L - USC) 1 W on the road
3. 4 Shutouts ( ILL, NMST, Toledo and Purdon't)
4. Other than Navy, no other game has really even been that close.
5. Our only loss came to Top 5 team and only by a Field Goal.

All of that being said, you need PSU and Iowa to win out to our games with them, Also it would be nice to see scUM get into the top 25 when we play them. We need all of the teams above us to lose. of course, we need to win out.
 
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Ok, it took a bit but I went back thru and laid out games for teams with the highest possibility of harming OSU's chance at a title shot. Obviously there are the slight chance for major upsets but I only am placing each teams toughest remaining games. I also try to put the teams in each conference and in the order from most dangerous to least dangerous. Every other team in the conference is a Helper. I will put a B10 section just for rooting purposes of the BCS ranks for Chaos reasons.

SEC(include SEC CG)-

Flor-ARK,Georg,@ S.Car, FSU
ALA-S.Car,Tenn,LSU,@ Aub
LSU-Aub,@ ALA, @ Ole Miss, Ark
S.Car-@ALA, @ Tenn, @ Ark, Flor, Clem
Aub-@LSU,@ Georg, ALA

Auburn or LSU turn into a large helper after 10/24. S Car. is the only team in the East that can hold Flor out of the SEC CG on their own(no other Flor Loss). A S. Car loss, on the other hand, this week makes them a helper. A Ken upset of Aub this week makes Aub a full Helper. This still leaves a ton of future matchups that could flip the SEC upside down.

B12(include B12 CG)-

Tex-OKLA,@Mizz,@OK ST, Kan
Kan-OKLA,@ TTU,Neb,@ Tex, Mizz
OK ST-Mizz,Tex,TTU, @ OKLA
Neb-TTU,OKLA,@ Kan
Mizz-@ OK ST,Tex, Kan

This week is a defining week for the South division. Obviously OKLA and Tex play but also OK ST plays Mizz. If Both OKLA and Mizz win, it leads to a Tex/OK ST matchup in 2 weeks for survival in the B12 race. Since OKLa's loss to Miami, they have been a helper. Plus the North still has to figure out which team will rep for the B12 CG. Best hope is that OKLA wins out, 2 loss team wins B12.

ACC(include ACC CG)-

Va Tech-@GT,UNC, @ Mary??
Miami-Clem,@ WF, @ UNC, @ USF
GT-Va Tech, WF, Georg

With 2 of the 3 threats playing this weekend it will determine who is left quickly. GT is(for all intents and purposes) the only team that could keep Va Tech from the ACC CG. If VT makes it they could play WF,BC or Mary. Best situ would be that GT wins this week and wins out only to lose to BC or Mary. 2 loss team wins ACC.

PAC 10-

USC-@ ND, Oreg ST, @ Oreg, Stan, UCLA
Oreg-USC,@ Stan, @ Ariz, Oreg St.

Essentially if USC beats ND this wekend, Oregon is OSU's best chance that USC loses. Oreg could present a problem if they win out but the chances are better against a Oreg team behind OSU than a USC team ahead of OSU. Best scenario is that ND beats USC then USC beats Oregon.

Big East-

Cincy-USF, UConn, WV, ILL, @ Pitt
USF-Cincy, @Pitt, WV, @ Rut, Miami, @ UConn
Pitt-@ Rut, USF, ND, @ WV, Cincy
WV-UConn, @ USF, @ Cincy, Pitt, @Rut
Rut-Pitt, @ UConn, USF, WV

USF beating Cincy is big. It takes UC out of the hunt and makes them a Helper in the other games. There is a lot of in conference matchups that will make more helpers in the next few weeks and a couple of OOC games that could help. ILL(win), ND(loss) and Miami(loss or win according to late season shifts).

Non BCS Conferences and ND-

Boise-@ Tulsa, @ La Tech, Idaho, Nevada
TCU-@ BYU, Utah
BYU-TCU, AF, Utah
ND-USC, BC, Navy, @ Pitt, UConn, Stan
Houston-@ Tulsa

Houston really isn't a threat thanks to their loss to UTEP. TCU or BYU are out due to the head to head. Boise's best chance to lose are the 2 away games @ Tulsa and @ La Tech but irregardless they are probably less of a threat due to the soft schedule. ND would have to win out to be a threat. As noted before a win over USC would help OSU but I don't believe they can win out.

B10 rooting section-

Iowa-win out to us
PSU-only game that would be in question is against scUM a win gives scUM 3 losses. If scUM can still be ranked with a loss there then we want a State Penn win.
scUM-see above otherwise win out to us


Top 25 rooting interests this week:

Wed
Boise @ Tulsa(Tulsa)

Thurs
Cincy @ USF(USF)

Sat
OKLA v Tex(OKLA)
OSU @ Pur(OSU)
Iowa @ Wisky(Iowa)
Ark @ UF(Ark)
USC @ ND(ND)
Minn @ PSU(PSU)
TTU @ Neb(TTU)
Hou @ Tul(Tul)
COlO ST@ TCU(Colo St.)
Va Tech @ GT(GT)
BYU @ SDSU(SDSU)
Kan @ Colo(Colo)
Miami @ UCF(UCF)
S. Car. @ ALA(S. Car)
Mizz @ OK ST(Mizz)
Utah @ UNLV(UNLV)

Non Top 25 helper games:
Fri
Pitt @ Rut(Prob Rut)

Sat
Louis @ UConn(Louis)
Del St. @ scUM(scUM)
WF @ Clem(Clem)
Georg @ Vandy(Vandy for comp purposes)
UAB @ Ole Miss(UAB)
Marsh @ WV(Marsh)
Vir @ Mary(Vir)
No ILL @ Tol(Tol)
Ken @ Aub(Ken)
Navy @ So Meth(Navy)


Main games for help highlighted in red above

All teams ahead of OSU play meaningful or designated tougher games on their schedule. Ark @ UF(1), Tex(2) v OKLA(18), S. Car(22) @ ALA(3), VT(4) @ GT(20), USC(5) @ ND, Boise(6) @ Tulsa.(coaches rank). This week could be a meanigful week to place OSU in position for the final 3 games to count the most. Time for CHAOS!!!!!!!
 
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I have to admit I have recognized the ability of Clausen. That being said, Clausen has turf toe and finds it difficult to avoid a rush. I think the Domers score some. just not enough to overcome the SC defensive take aways and SC offense. Domers have too many flaws to over come.
Down goes Jimmy!
 
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(o) IoI /o (o);1565710; said:
I was listening to the Scott Van Pelt show today and near the end they brought up the state of the SEC. All I could think of was, Great another circle jerk session of how great they are. It actually turned out that they started talking about how the SEC has fallen and now is basically even with the other Conferences. Pelt talked about how the SEC has only two great teams in the Conference and thinks Florida isn't the best (My thought as well). Anyway they brought up that each Conference has two or three good teams and that the SEC doesn't have the "depth" it had a year ago.

The reason I bring this up, looking at the schedule this weekend, I can see Texas losing (OU), VT losing (GT), and also USC losing (ND). IMHO it is at all possible we maybe in the top 5 at the end of the weekend. That leaves Boise State, Florida and Bama ahead of us. Florida and Bama play each other and I feel Bama is going to beat Florida this year and I don't think it will be all that close.

All in all, at the weeks end we could be very close.
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ND's defense is going to get shredded by USC. I don't think this game will be close. Unless USC wets the bed again this season only Oregon has a chance to beat them.

I don't really care if we make the BCS title game, but I don't want to play USC again in the Rose Bowl. If USC wins out and 2 of Florida, Bama, and Texas lose USC will get in the BCS title game. I think it will take 2 losses in most cases for us to get a shot. Next year is our year. Give me a winnable Rose Bowl this year.
 
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From CollegeFootballNews.com
Tuesday Question - Midseason Awards

Scout.com: Tuesday Question - Midseason Awards

Make One Big Call For the Second Half ? Ohio State is going to get back in the national title hunt. America doesn't want it, Fox doesn't want it, and even Ohio State fans this year probably don't want it, but the ACC teams are going to start picking each other off, Texas might have two losses coming its way, USC doesn't look like a world-beater and could certainly lose again, Boise State simply won't enter the discussion, and no one will be unbeaten from the Big East. Ohio State won't be pretty, but it'll roll through Purdue, Minnesota, and New Mexico State before closing out with a big finishing kick against Penn State at Penn State, Iowa, and at Michigan. If the Buckeyes are 11-1, they'll at least be No. 3 in late November and will be in a great position to face the SEC champion (sorry to sour your day).
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-Well, the good news is that other "outside" sources agree that we have a real chance if things play out right.:osu:
 
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