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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Back to Boren for a moment - one question that was brought up earlier was the semester quarter issue, it is semesters at TSUN. But, that made me think of just how long Boren has to continue his work in the classroom in Ann Arbor - it is a surprisingly long time. Four weeks plus from the date of his announcement to depart.
If Boren sticks through the classes and exams - which seems likely else he is chucking away this semester's grades - then his is in AA till as late as April 24th. Considering how his eventual departure is being received, what does that tell you about the inner character of Boren? Doing the right thing by himself, and doing the right thing by TSUN (no APR hit), all while under the worst sort of cloud on campus.
On a lighter note - Rodriguez claims that family values have not been eroded in AA - proof of which is that RR's own mother-in-law and sister-in-law traveled 7 hours to be at three recent practices.
If Boren sticks through the classes and exams - which seems likely else he is chucking away this semester's grades - then his is in AA till as late as April 24th. Considering how his eventual departure is being received, what does that tell you about the inner character of Boren? Doing the right thing by himself, and doing the right thing by TSUN (no APR hit), all while under the worst sort of cloud on campus.
On a lighter note - Rodriguez claims that family values have not been eroded in AA - proof of which is that RR's own mother-in-law and sister-in-law traveled 7 hours to be at three recent practices.
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HailToMichigan;1127394; said:
If I said that Boren was no better than Threet before you knew he was leaving because Boren was strong but slow I'm sure you and Sniper would have agreed with me then right?
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Explain.starBUCKS;1127406; said:
No, but that's not quite my point. Consider this: Boren is quite talented but a bit large and slow for the system RR wants to run; however, he'll start because there's pretty obviously no better offensive lineman on the team.
Now replace Boren with Threet and offensive lineman with quarterback.
Let's add this: Threet, though by pretty much all comparisons is more talented than David Cone or Nick Sheridan, is in a wide-open dogfight for the starting job. (According to the Freep, Threet and Sheridan have sort of stood out a bit more than Cone.) Could it have been the same with Boren? Did Boren assume all along he would be a starter and decide to stick it out because of that, only to find in practice that he was in the same open competition as everyone? I think that's at least plausible. I think RR made it pretty clear shortly after he was hired that he was going to make his own evaluations and decide on his own lineup not based on last year - that's part of what the fans were so happy about, shaking loose the complacency and all. But there's a big difference between hearing the coach address the whole team with that message, and actually getting out on the practice field and finding you're getting the same reps as last year's clipboard stand.
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HailToMichigan;1127442; said:
Long winded way of saying that you think Boren wouldn't have started under RR's new scheme and even if he did it was because there was no alternative.
So now that he's leaving Boren goes from being the type of player good enough to start as a true freshman to possible "clipboard stand."
Like I said, I highly doubt you or any other scUM fan honestly felt that way before you knew he was leaving.
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osubartender23
Purple Nurple King
Jaxbuck;1127445; said:
Not only that but how can you say with certainty that Boren wouldnt have been able to succeed in Dick Wads offense? Players do grow and adapt and can learn how to play with in a system, especially if the talent is there.
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Psh. I think he would have, obviously. I also think Threet will start despite the fact that there's a competition for the job. In fact, Threet has been pegged as the starter by most fans pretty much ever since Mallett left and Pryor failed to declare on Signing Day. In my initial reaction to Boren's departure I spoke of him as a potential starter and alluded to him as the best lineman on the team. So please don't put words in my mouth. I never, ever, ever claimed Boren wouldn't start.Jaxbuck;1127445; said:
I'll grant you this: if he's easily the best lineman on the team, that kind of means he's starting because there's no alternative, doesn't it?
What I am saying is this: RR came in with the attitude that just because you started last year doesn't mean you start this year. I would lose respect for his approach if he didn't apply that consistently across the whole team. That's not what we brought him in for.
"Fall into a starting job"??? Dude. Quarterback is the single most wide-open competition in camp. There is no way a guy transfers in from Georgia Tech, starts over as a freshman, and just "falls" into a starting job. If there's just one thing to take away from Michigan's spring practices, it's that there is an absolute dogfight for the job behind center. I think Threet will win it because he's probably the most talented, but if RR decides Sheridan demonstrates better grasp of the system, it should come as no surprise if he is the guy when we kick off against Utah. Just like I think Boren would have been the starter, based on pure talent (as did most fans) but given that RR declared open season on every starting job, it should have come as no surprise if someone else demonstrated a better grasp of the system and Boren sat. It's a perfectly legit comparison. Claiming Threet's just lucking into the job is not.
I can't, and that's why I'm not. Again: I think he would have. But how can anyone say with certainty that he definitely would have succeeded?
Ahhh...yes, you do.
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OSUBuckeye4Life
"THE" Ohio State Buckeyes
HailToMichigan;1127459; said:
I think you are taking the "fall into" a little too serious. Basically, Boren was a starter last year. He earned that spot last year and was the odds on favorite to hold onto that spot. Threet was NOT a starter last year and was behind a young man that opted to transfer. NOT the same situation. Had Mallett stayed and your QB recruiting for this year was the same, I doubt we are talking about Threet as the starter. I may be off base. Also hadn't heard any issues about Boren being unseated while a walk on (Sheridan) at the moment has looked as impressive, if not more by some accounts, than Threet.
That was basically the gist of what I got from his post.
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Sportsbuck28
Here comes the BOOM
Just a bump for everyone that should ding this post.SNIPER26;1127383; said:
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