OL Justin Boren (Official Thread)

[Napoleonbuck]

HTM, your scenario would be plausible if there was any indication that Boren was struggling. However, I believe the opposite is true.

It's been posted a few times in this thread, but hasn't been addressed by any Michigan fans yet. Up until he left, Boren, as described by Michigan insiders, was thought to be a workout warrior in the new system. I can remember reading on Michigan boards that Boren was one of the leaders in workouts. To me, that doesn't sound like a guy that potentially could lose his starting job.

Now, if you had any shred of evidence that suggests Boren wasn't grasping the new system or was struggling with the practices, then by all means go ahead and post it. Until then, I think it's dishonest of you to craft your argument based on suppositions and hypothetical situations.

 

[ysubuck]

HTM, your scenario would be plausible if there was any indication that Boren was struggling. However, I believe the opposite is true.

It's been posted a few times in this thread, but hasn't been addressed by any Michigan fans yet. Up until he left, Boren, as described by Michigan insiders, was thought to be a workout warrior in the new system. I can remember reading on Michigan boards that Boren was one of the leaders in workouts. To me, that doesn't sound like a guy that potentially could lose his starting job.

Now, if you had any shred of evidence that suggests Boren wasn't grasping the new system or was struggling with the practices, then by all means go ahead and post it. Until then, I think it's dishonest of you to craft your argument based on suppositions and hypothetical situations.

Come on Napoleon, they were making him run. That's why he left. Pure and simple. Can't we just get it through our heads that this legacy who loved Michigan and grew up rooting for them just didn't like to run.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

HTM, your scenario would be plausible if there was any indication that Boren was struggling. However, I believe the opposite is true.

It's been posted a few times in this thread, but hasn't been addressed by any Michigan fans yet. Up until he left, Boren, as described by Michigan insiders, was thought to be a workout warrior in the new system. I can remember reading on Michigan boards that Boren was one of the leaders in workouts. To me, that doesn't sound like a guy that potentially could lose his starting job.

Now, if you had any shred of evidence that suggests Boren wasn't grasping the new system or was struggling with the practices, then by all means go ahead and post it. Until then, I think it's dishonest of you to craft your argument based on suppositions and hypothetical situations.

Quite right, Boren was said to be a leader in winter conditioning, if memory serves.. and was really buying in to Barwis' program.

Now, we're to believe Boren's a softie... (H2M, I'm not directing that at you, just UM fans generally)

 

[BuckeyeBill]

Just a bump for everyone that should ding this post.

In all fairness to Sniper, he WAS simply replying to a Buckeye post asking where anyone had accused JT of a lack of integrity. In that regard, Sniper's post was not as inflammatory as it appeared standing on its own. Our visitors have been pretty damn good sports in this thread, and the thread wouldn't be nearly as interesting if they weren't contributing. So, go easy, I say.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Is there any info on the chances that Boren wants to become a Buckeye?
Do we want him?
Just curious....:osu:

Just curious... did you read any of the 650 posts before??

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The legacy pull is that the legacy was enough to get him to commit to playing his college football at UM.

The "pull" was a late visit by Bo Schembechler himself.

Ohio State wasn't the team he grew up rooting for. Ohio State wasn't the team his dad played for.

His dad wanted to play for Ohio State but wasn't recruited by them. Had Earle Bruce extended him an offer, we'd be talking about an Ohio State legacy and Justin would be in his third season in Columbus.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I never, ever, ever claimed Boren wouldn't start.

...given that RR declared open season on every starting job, it should have come as no surprise if someone else demonstrated a better grasp of the system and Boren sat.

If you aren't in politics you should be.

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

If you aren't in politics you should be.

He meant he would sit when the #2's took the field....

 

[BengalsAndBucks]

I'll grant you this: if he's easily the best lineman on the team, that kind of means he's starting because there's no alternative, doesn't it?

Yes. That is the definition of a starter. Orlando Pace, easily the best offensive tackle ever to play at Ohio State, only started because there was no better alternative.

Jax is right, you really should be in politics. Stop trying to twist words around to make Boren sound like he wouldn't have started next year.

 

[jwinslow]

Me thinks HTM is back at his approach to gain a reaction. Comparing Threet with Boren? That's a new low.

I'll grant you this: if he's easily the best lineman on the team, that kind of means he's starting because there's no alternative, doesn't it?

Flash back to 2005. Have RR at the helm, or skip the visit from Bo, and have Boren sign with OSU.

I think there's a strong possibility he starts for OSU at OG in 2008, if not sooner.

 

[Bestbuck36]

I was just about to make that same statement JWins. By numerous accounts by media and coaches going into 2008, Ohio State has the best or is in the top 3 offensive lines in the country. Having said that who thinks Boren couldnt start at tOSU this fall if he were to lets say, play Spring ball in Columbus, work hard like he has been and show up with the rest of the guys in fall camp knowing our offense? I would say he's an odds on favorite depending on how the coaches wanted to maneuver the line. Say Rehring to right tackle and Boren at left guard? To say he might start for us this year but wouldnt start for that group is fairly ludicrus. Just hypothetical on all points to be clear. The rules arent applying in this scenario, just trying to make the point that it seems most Buckeye fans have more respect for Borens game having played against him than the scUM fans have after cheering him on.

Sour grapes.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Jax is right, you really should be in politics. Stop trying to twist words around to make Boren sound like he wouldn't have started next year.

When I go into politics, no doubt you'll be right there with a microphone and a notepad. Stop trying to twist my words around to make that ludicrous claim. Find me where I said that. Find me where I said anything stronger than he was probably going to have to earn his job in camp like everyone else. And find me where I said I believed he'd lose his job.

 

[scarletngray]

I think in the M*ch*g*n camp it all comes down to what your definition of "is" is. :tongue2:

 

[JCOSU86]

If you aren't in politics you should be.

When I go into politics, no doubt you'll be right there with a microphone and a notepad. Stop trying to twist my words around to make that ludicrous claim. Find me where I said that. Find me where I said anything stronger than he was probably going to have to earn his job in camp like everyone else. And find me where I said I believed he'd lose his job.

I never, ever, ever claimed Boren wouldn't start.

...given that RR declared open season on every starting job, it should have come as no surprise if someone else demonstrated a better grasp of the system and Boren sat.

I don't think you can be more clear than this.

 

[BB73]

It seems to me there's a silly argument going on since HTM basically stated that Boren wuold have to (re-)earn his starting job like everybody else at TSUN, and folks are trying to say that's the same as him saying that Boren wouldn't start.

To me, "might" and "would" are two different words.

And it's the same with "shouldn't be surprised if he" and "believe" that he'll lose the job.

In both cases, he's stating the possibility but not stating that he believes it will occur.