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Oklahoma dismisses QB Bomar/NCAA probation

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Axing somebody the way Stoops did certainly seems uncharacteristic of the way he has handled things in the past in regards to punishment (to me anyway, he seemed as big of a wrist-slapper as Bobby Bowden). Because of how he's handled Bomar, it seems as though this might only be the begining.
 
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What amazes me about this, the USC and other major program situations is that people seem not to learn from evidence and examples all around them. The kid's dad is a coach, apparently, and so should be much more attuned to the strictness and pervasivness of NCAA regulations regarding employment and other related mine fields just waiting to get kids in trouble.

And yet, apparently he and they didn't get the message. What message? The trouble Troy got into with his relatively minor transgression. It received enormous publicity, it probably contributed to the Texas loss because of Troy's rustiness. Every detail highlighting the dangers of job interfaces for student athletes got huge play nationally. Would one not expect savvy people with kids in major programs to take note? Would not even the kids themselves, in this case one smart enough to be a QB, take a hint and reexamine their employment relationships or booster interfaces and take note of the dangers involved?

Apparently not. And so at least one, probably two major programs damaged, at least one very seriously. And, the attention that yet another program gets from such foolishness makes the spotlight that much stronger on other programs. One can only shudder at the prospect of other youngsters, parents or coaches supposing that "it won't happen to them."

Deep within our souls we may take some solace that for a change some other kingpin program takes the heat, but the implications for NCAA participation broadly should give us pause, because with inattentiveness, lightning can strike the same tree twice. Not to mention the integrity of NCAA programs and requirements being subtly undermined by such continuing occurences. It is evidence that in this realm too, eternal vigilence is a must!

Go Bucks!
 
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This is 2nd or 3rd hand information, but there looks to be up to 6 other players involved as well, some are speculating Peterson is one of them (aforementioned "loaner car" deal).

What kind of probation did Alabama get? 20 scholllies and no postseason for 3 years? This looks just as bad as what got them busted.
 
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http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=666035&forum_id=5

a couple of really great farks on here
http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=6660
 
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EngineerHorn said:
This is 2nd or 3rd hand information, but there looks to be up to 6 other players involved as well, some are speculating Peterson is one of them (aforementioned "loaner car" deal).

What kind of probation did Alabama get? 20 scholllies and no postseason for 3 years? This looks just as bad as what got them busted.
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In an effort to suggest we not rush to judgement, Alabama was intimately involved in the violations. Until I see evidence that shows that Stoops and/or that OU knew what was going on, Im going to err on the side of a few kids engaging in rouge behavior for there own benefit....
 
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what's the penalty to the PLAYER who does this kind of thing? please tell me Rhett can't sit out a year and then resume his career at another college (unless it TBGUN) without penalty of any kind?

this isn't a case of some weird technical NCAA rule no one knows about. EVERYONE knows you can't do this kind of thing. he should forfeit his scholarship and all his NCAA eligibility! that's the way to stop this kind of thing. I don't know if Stoopes knew or not but it sure is hard on a program and its fans when one stupid kid breaks the rules big time and hauls the whole team into the dumpster.

even if you aren't an OU fan Rhett (and his car dealership buddies) cost us all the enjoyment of watching some good matchups this year.:(
 
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DallasBuckeye said:
what's the penalty to the PLAYER who does this kind of thing? please tell me Rhett can't sit out a year and then resume his career at another college (unless it TBGUN) without penalty of any kind?

this isn't a case of some weird technical NCAA rule no one knows about. EVERYONE knows you can't do this kind of thing. he should forfeit his scholarship and all his NCAA eligibility! that's the way to stop this kind of thing. I don't know if Stoopes knew or not but it sure is hard on a program and its fans when one stupid kid breaks the rules big time and hauls the whole team into the dumpster.

even if you aren't an OU fan Rhett (and his car dealership buddies) cost us all the enjoyment of watching some good matchups this year.:(
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The penalty is ineligibility. He can apply to the NCAA for reinstatement, and they will consider the circumstances and magnitude of the violation in determining how long he must be ineligible. Oklahoma kicked him off the team, so he would first have to find another place to play.
 
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is it wrong that i can't wipe the smile off of my face...I shouldn't be this happy about a 21 year old kid ruining his career
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I wish I could separate my old fashioned self-righteousness at seeing someone held accountable for wrong actions from my sadness in seeing CFB take yet another black eye.

As program after program takes its hit we become insensitive to these abuses. The refrain that "everybody cheats" becomes more common and we are just happy to see some of the folks who taunted us about MoC take it in the rump.

And so seldom is the real issue raised. The NCAA is involved in seeing hundreds of milllions of dollars change hands and the rules we see violated are designed to keep it out of the hands of the athletes who perform on the field. Keep in mind - a coach making $2 million plus has just released a kid for taking $18k.

I don't know if there is a fix and I am not in favor of pay for play, but as long as the money is there in such abundance this stuff is going to keep happening. And whether the next incident happens in Austin, Ann Arbor or Columbus is as much about differences in luck (I betcha everything that is happening in Norman is occurring because the 'wrong' person stumbled onto it) than differences in character.
 
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BuckeyeRob said:
In an effort to suggest we not rush to judgement, Alabama was intimately involved in the violations. Until I see evidence that shows that Stoops and/or that OU knew what was going on, Im going to err on the side of a few kids engaging in rouge behavior for there own benefit....
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You may be right BuckeyeRob, but consider this ...

Last year RB Adrian Peterson has the brush with sanctionable activity because of the leeway lease (bring it back any time you wish) that Big Red Motors gifted him. Now, call me strict if you will, but if that happens the very last place I want ANY of my players, let alone starting QBs or corners or kickers or whatever going to work is Big Red Motors, the very last.

Stoops cannot claim that he didn't know Big Red Motors was a source of lucre for his football squad. As we were mentioning the strained analogy of USC earlier in this thread, consider what would have happened had either of the Bush or Leinart rent fiascos become known to USC's Athletic Department before the 2005 season, and Carrol A) had foreknowledge and B) let it all slide until the news hit the airwaves. I think it is fair to say that would cast things for that story in a much starker and grim light. Here we do have prior evidence of the activities of this booster - who should have been banned from any contact by the AD at OU and none of Stoops' players should have been within a country mile of any of the Big Red dealerships. (Which by the way was precisely the sort of get the fuck out of Dodge, you are hurting the team approach, that OSU took with the booster associated with the Troy Smith incident).

So, no, I don't give many props to Stoops on this, in truth I believe he has a lot of answering of difficult questions in the days ahead. Let the tap dancing begin.

EDIT - As I was writing this Oh8ch put in the post above mine- well said Oh8ch, exactly right.
 
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The penalty is ineligibility. He can apply to the NCAA for reinstatement, and they will consider the circumstances and magnitude of the violation in determining how long he must be ineligible. Oklahoma kicked him off the team, so he would first have to find another place to play.
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As mentioned earlier, he would also have to repay the money. Which one would think would be problematic since the kid felt he needed it badly enough to cheat to get it in the first place.
 
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