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Game Thread Ohio State vs Oklahoma, 09/09/17 @ 7:30 ET (ABC)

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My $0.02......

OU's Oline is fantastic and watching them battle OSU's Dline will be awesome. OSU's dline depth could/should create issues for OU later in the game. Mayfield is good.....really good and will be tough to stop. He's going to make some plays and get his yards. The key is to force him into an INT or two. There won't be a lot of running lanes for OU to run the ball, so Mayfield will likely need to put on an incredible performance for OU to win.

I really look for OSU to mix things up a little on Offense. Showing a few new wrinkles or formations would not surprise me one bit. They've taken a lot of heat from fans/media for struggling against IU, but perhaps the coaches were holding a bit back, in preparation for this game? We did see some wheel routes and long crossing routes that haven't really been a big part of OSU's offense of late. Wouldn't be surprised to see them expand on that a bit. Wilson has always been very good at finding mismatches and getting guys the ball in open areas. If OU has a weakness on D, you can bet Meyer and Wilson will find it.

Stoops didn't do Riley any favors by leaving before this season. Going into the Shoe against OSU in a prime time feature game is a tall order for any coach, especially one who has exactly one game under his belt.

All told, I think it will be a good game with both teams hitting some big plays. In the end, I think OSU's depth wins out and they win it 35-24.
 
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zincfinger said:
I could well be wrong, but as someone who feels no guilt, I assumed it was largely an individual award based on the quality of guys like High Lonesome and Engineerhorn. Of course, by that rationale, USC should probably have been top-4 based on methomps.
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Yup, that's precisely what it was, and there were 5-8 regular posters that could talk football, and another 6-12 that were alright. The ratio of trolls to quality posters was inversely proportional to most visiting posses.

Contrast that with the almost universally trolltastic quotient from Florida or Miami. LSU had a decent showing. USC had a minor showing, but we already had @methomps before that game (I think Lane Kiffin may have ended him). Oklahoma State may have had one of the best showings, but that game was at the bottom of the bowl totem poll (by OSU standards), so sometimes that group is forgotten.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Gotta love the fans that list players names as reasons why they'll win. But we have Jeff Badet! Abdul Somebody! WE HAVE AN OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!
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I drafted Abdul Somebody hoping he'd be a nice sleeper pickup with upside. He had 7 carries, which was 4 more than the backup QB. No back cracked 10 carries.

Oklahoma has lots of talent, and OSU has plenty of question marks at WR and in the secondary. It's just hard to put much stock into beating up on UTEP:

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Even mid majors were doing this down the stretch:

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Even little tiny ODU went off:

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None of that means that OU can't put up big yards, especially if their veteran QB can help carry a young set of receivers against a very young OSU secondary. It just means it's hard to put much stock into it, particularly as a bunch of homers that are going to give their guys the benefit of the doubt.
 
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AJHawkfan said:
My $0.02......

OU's Oline is fantastic and watching them battle OSU's Dline will be awesome. OSU's dline depth could/should create issues for OU later in the game. Mayfield is good.....really good and will be tough to stop. He's going to make some plays and get his yards. The key is to force him into an INT or two. There won't be a lot of running lanes for OU to run the ball, so Mayfield will likely need to put on an incredible performance for OU to win.

I really look for OSU to mix things up a little on Offense. Showing a few new wrinkles or formations would not surprise me one bit. They've taken a lot of heat from fans/media for struggling against IU, but perhaps the coaches were holding a bit back, in preparation for this game? We did see some wheel routes and long crossing routes that haven't really been a big part of OSU's offense of late. Wouldn't be surprised to see them expand on that a bit. Wilson has always been very good at finding mismatches and getting guys the ball in open areas. If OU has a weakness on D, you can bet Meyer and Wilson will find it.
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Kirk (and many others) overreacted to the struggles of the corners. They were miles ahead of Gareon Conley, Eli Apple and Damon Arnette when they made their debuts, who looked like mid-major talents because they were wide-eyed, mentally slow and out of their depth as brand new guys.
- Ward is not new (OSU's base D is nickel and he often lined up outside) but he's no longer the #5 DB (and 4th best guy after 3 first rounders). He's now the man. He needs to get a little better fighting for the football but his technique, speed and coverage was about as good as last year. Mark Andrews probably still has nightmares about Ward's greeting last fall.
- Arnette was rough last year as a 6th DB in his debut year, much like the aforementioned debuts of Conley & Apple (eventual 1st round picks). He was pretty strong against IU.
- Sheffield was in his first college contest. His play was similar to Ward, he was right there athletically but was not physical or disruptive enough. Unlike Ward (who is a thin, long, ultra-fast cover guy), he is not lacking in physical strength, he just needs seasoning.

The safeties were a bigger concern to me. The first TD to the TE was on them I believe. Baker tried to cover their butts.

There were also a few blown coverages with gaping holes. That concerns me with a really polished offensive scheme. Also, I have a lot less confidence in Ward/Smith/Fuller in coverage against guys like Andrews and others lined up inside. Those guys are pure safeties and are not generational center-fielders like Malik Hooker.

OSU will need to maintain their savage pressure to help address that potential weakness. They also need to get home without much blitzing to eliminate hot reads inside behind the vacated blitzer. It will be interesting to see how they deploy the DEs.

Hubbard is a man against the run but is not as gifted as a pass rusher as others. Bosa has to be on the field, and it's not going to be in relief of the reigning B1G DL of the year in Tyquan Lewis (who is strong in all facets, just more of a top-2 round guy instead of a top-20 talent like Bosa). Jalyn Holmes is a really good senior specimen at 6'5" 270 lb who has been a fixture in the rotation for 3 years. Then you have the nation's best DE in Chase Young who is logging major minutes despite that log jam ahead of him.

OSU's DTs are very disruptive as well. Dre'Mont Jones is going to be a very high pick as a redshirt sophomore next april. Robert Landers (the fat man TD guy) is an undersized pass rushing DT, and Cornell made some big plays against Indiana's underwhelming OL.

I want to see how they do at the 1 tech spot. OSU has brought in loads of talented 3 tech guys, but their top 1 tech targets have largely landed elsewhere (Dexter Lawrence, Rashad Lawrence, Marvin Wilson, Christian Wilkins, Antwuan Jackson). Nose tackle and outside WR were the lone recruiting question marks until the last cycle or two. And to be clear, when I say that, I mean they weren't landing ludicrous talent at those spots like almost every other position.

It will be interesting to see how OSU holds up against a strong, physical OL. Chris Worley is a veteran at LB but had been playing OLB. He slid inside to replace starting Miami Dolphin LB Raekwon McMillan (injured). He's a really good LB, and the DTs in front of him are very disruptive, but how will the interior of that defense hold up in a street fight inside, especially if OU's wide open offense stretches the defense? How will the new second safety do in run support?

OSU will eat teams alive on 3rd and long. I want to see how they do on 3rd and short. They have the talent and disruption, but will they be able to hold up at the point of attack consistently?
 
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Looking at current weather projections for Saturday, looks like daily high temp will be 68 with overnight lows in the mid 40s, so late October/early November weather. Sooner fans might want to pack some extra layers, especially if your tickets are in C deck. Sitting up high in the Shoe for a cold night game can be pretty brutal if you're not prepared.
 
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jwinslow said:
Kirk (and many others) overreacted to the struggles of the corners. They were miles ahead of Gareon Conley, Eli Apple and Damon Arnette when they made their debuts, who looked like mid-major talents because they were wide-eyed, mentally slow and out of their depth as brand new guys.
- Ward is not new (OSU's base D is nickel and he often lined up outside) but he's no longer the #5 DB (and 4th best guy after 3 first rounders). He's now the man. He needs to get a little better fighting for the football but his technique, speed and coverage was about as good as last year. Mark Andrews probably still has nightmares about Ward's greeting last fall.
- Arnette was rough last year as a 6th DB in his debut year, much like the aforementioned debuts of Conley & Apple (eventual 1st round picks). He was pretty strong against IU.
- Sheffield was in his first college contest. His play was similar to Ward, he was right there athletically but was not physical or disruptive enough. Unlike Ward (who is a thin, long, ultra-fast cover guy), he is not lacking in physical strength, he just needs seasoning.

The safeties were a bigger concern to me. The first TD to the TE was on them I believe. Baker tried to cover their butts.

There were also a few blown coverages with gaping holes. That concerns me with a really polished offensive scheme. Also, I have a lot less confidence in Ward/Smith/Fuller in coverage against guys like Andrews and others lined up inside. Those guys are pure safeties and are not generational center-fielders like Malik Hooker.

OSU will need to maintain their savage pressure to help address that potential weakness. They also need to get home without much blitzing to eliminate hot reads inside behind the vacated blitzer. It will be interesting to see how they deploy the DEs.

Hubbard is a man against the run but is not as gifted as a pass rusher as others. Bosa has to be on the field, and it's not going to be in relief of the reigning B1G DL of the year in Tyquan Lewis (who is strong in all facets, just more of a top-2 round guy instead of a top-20 talent like Bosa). Jalyn Holmes is a really good senior specimen at 6'5" 270 lb who has been a fixture in the rotation for 3 years. Then you have the nation's best DE in Chase Young who is logging major minutes despite that log jam ahead of him.

OSU's DTs are very disruptive as well. Dre'Mont Jones is going to be a very high pick as a redshirt sophomore next april. Robert Landers (the fat man TD guy) is an undersized pass rushing DT, and Cornell made some big plays against Indiana's underwhelming OL.

I want to see how they do at the 1 tech spot. OSU has brought in loads of talented 3 tech guys, but their top 1 tech targets have largely landed elsewhere (Dexter Lawrence, Rashad Lawrence, Marvin Wilson, Christian Wilkins, Antwuan Jackson). Nose tackle and outside WR were the lone recruiting question marks until the last cycle or two. And to be clear, when I say that, I mean they weren't landing ludicrous talent at those spots like almost every other position.

It will be interesting to see how OSU holds up against a strong, physical OL. Chris Worley is a veteran at LB but had been playing OLB. He slid inside to replace starting Miami Dolphin LB Raekwon McMillan (injured). He's a really good LB, and the DTs in front of him are very disruptive, but how will the interior of that defense hold up in a street fight inside, especially if OU's wide open offense stretches the defense? How will the new second safety do in run support?

OSU will eat teams alive on 3rd and long. I want to see how they do on 3rd and short. They have the talent and disruption, but will they be able to hold up at the point of attack consistently?
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GPA

Still not as concerned for the safeties for the long haul but this game will sharpen them for future games in the coming weeks.
 
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