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Game Thread Ohio State @ Purdue - 10/20/18, 7:30PM (ABC)

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Here's how fucking bad today's game was:

1.) Fewest yards rushing under Meyer (86 games, not counting the three he was suspended and Day coached)
2.) Most points Purdue has ever scored against us in the 57-game series history (next highest was 41 points back in 1967, in a 41-6 loss)
3.) Second worst-ever loss against Purdue (worst was the aforementioned 41-6 loss)
4.) QB sets all-time school record for completions, attempts, and yardage, and we still lose by 29 points.
 
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It's unfortunate that the most talented passer in school history will likely leave school without a playoff appearance due to a dysfunctional running game and a non-existent defense. Not nearly as bad as wasting the 2015 squad, still sucks though.

Otherwise it's not too upsetting. A lot of people predicted weeks ago that this was going to be Iowa redux due to the team's obvious flaws and it was. I said before that I would take an elite offense and elite defensive line into the playoffs and see what happens, but the running game disappeared after TCU and without the possibility of Nick Bosa gorilla fucking someone every play the defense is a total clownshow. Adjust expectations and move on.
 
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In context it feels crazy to be spoiled that a single bad loss feels like it ruins a whole season when most programs just have their sights set on a getting to a decent bowl game. But tosu is not any program... we have high standards, essentially playoffs or bust. It probably goes without saying that we peaked during our last NC, but instead of even hovering around that level of play we have consistently been in decline. I'm a fan, so I'm always looking at things at with scarlet colored glasses, and each season I'm starting out feeling like this year will be better than the last, but each of these seasons is like an onion where each game starts exposing more flaws that if it were any other program would really be called out for what it is early and often.

What's so frustrating is for me is because of said scarlet colored glasses each of subsequent seasons have been such a c*ck-tease, fools gold, whatever... because I can see the problems each game, but rationalize it like we will improve, or we can overcome with it our talent on the other side of the ball, or whatever. If this was just a freak bad loss where we were totally out of character with the rest of the season I could chalk it up to a puncher's chance, you can't win em all situation - essentially an outlier. But this was the culmination of exposing all of the evident cracks in the foundation at once.

Our defense has steadily gone from one of the most dominate in the country to being one of the worst. I felt like the cracks there in seasons past started with our secondary, then our pass D in general and then infected the LBs and essentially the whole D. Before we struggled to pass the ball but could rush at will. Now we have solid passing game (I think the stats make it look more effective than it truly is), but we can't run the ball effectively. It feels like we've been devolving into a bad team of B12 of past.

Those early games when Day was coaching I posted how it was on of the first times in a long time I felt like I saw our team playing with juice you used to see, and you see out of every other team that overachieves. Besides the success of Haskins, that was the next biggest thing that gave me confidence in this team for this season, even when I could see that some of those defensive holes from last year may not have been mended yet. Since then I haven't really noticed any inspired type of play on the field.

I'm not going to say that we deserve to perform up to expectations just because we want it. What I will say though is that when you aren't performing up to expectations there is a reason, and ultimately someone/something to blame when it becomes it pattern. Are our players overrated? Have they bought into the hype for so long they are not playing with heart or putting in the work? Are the coaches not doing their job? Has Urban himself started to check out in these recent seasons? I have no idea... these are the questions I'm asking myself though.

If we really believe that this team is 5 star talent, then it's hard to look past the coaches. I don't have any experience with coaching schemes, but from the leadership aspect what I can say is if your leader/leaders aren't leading by example and setting the tone, unless you have a team of highly driven and focused people underneath, your org will underachieve. The only reason I mention that is it goes back to my previous point about the lack energy and passion on that field. I watch .500 programs that play so much more inspired, whether they are in a dog fight or running up the scoreboard, and right or wrong it makes me feel like this team is lacking some identity or chemistry or leadership.

I don't know what to think. All other problems aside, if next year we could get back to the type of defense we've been in the past where most teams felt fortunate if they could put 14 on the board against us it, that alone would make us very difficult to beat outside of a few select programs. I'm all for a cinderella story this year where we somehow clean up our act enough to get lucky and make the playoffs and somehow play two magical games that get us an NC. But realistically I feel like Bama could drop 70pts on our D before the 4th quarter begins, and that is not hyperbole. I would rather avoid the long term damage that would have and give the committee a reason to hold us out a year we deserve it because they've been overrating us.
 
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Scary, I hate heights... and I’m holding a fucking boat OAR (I did it!).
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I didn't watch the game because I knew the people picking Purdue in the upset thread were probably right and I couldn't bear to watch.

It would be great to think that you can pick up a team from something like this, but it is very difficult. Meyer says the team was exposed yesterday, but it has been exposed repeatedly.

  • Is this the fruit of the disruption caused by the Zach Smith manufactured crisis at the beginning of the season?
  • Is the coaching staff on the same page?
  • Will one week off be enough time to get the players healthy?
  • Could this team could lose four games by the end of bowl season this year?
we'll see.
 
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lowbuck said:
In context it feels crazy to be spoiled that a single bad loss feels like it ruins a whole season when most programs just have their sights set on a getting to a decent bowl game. But tosu is not any program... we have high standards, essentially playoffs or bust. It probably goes without saying that we peaked during our last NC, but instead of even hovering around that level of play we have consistently been in decline. I'm a fan, so I'm always looking at things at with scarlet colored glasses, and each season I'm starting out feeling like this year will be better than the last, but each of these seasons is like an onion where each game starts exposing more flaws that if it were any other program would really be called out for what it is early and often.

What's so frustrating is for me is because of said scarlet colored glasses each of subsequent seasons have been such a c*ck-tease, fools gold, whatever... because I can see the problems each game, but rationalize it like we will improve, or we can overcome with it our talent on the other side of the ball, or whatever. If this was just a freak bad loss where we were totally out of character with the rest of the season I could chalk it up to a puncher's chance, you can't win em all situation - essentially an outlier. But this was the culmination of exposing all of the evident cracks in the foundation at once.

Our defense has steadily gone from one of the most dominate in the country to being one of the worst. I felt like the cracks there in seasons past started with our secondary, then our pass D in general and then infected the LBs and essentially the whole D. Before we struggled to pass the ball but could rush at will. Now we have solid passing game (I think the stats make it look more effective than it truly is), but we can't run the ball effectively. It feels like we've been devolving into a bad team of B12 of past.

Those early games when Day was coaching I posted how it was on of the first times in a long time I felt like I saw our team playing with juice you used to see, and you see out of every other team that overachieves. Besides the success of Haskins, that was the next biggest thing that gave me confidence in this team for this season, even when I could see that some of those defensive holes from last year may not have been mended yet. Since then I haven't really noticed any inspired type of play on the field.

I'm not going to say that we deserve to perform up to expectations just because we want it. What I will say though is that when you aren't performing up to expectations there is a reason, and ultimately someone/something to blame when it becomes it pattern. Are our players overrated? Have they bought into the hype for so long they are not playing with heart or putting in the work? Are the coaches not doing their job? Has Urban himself started to check out in these recent seasons? I have no idea... these are the questions I'm asking myself though.

If we really believe that this team is 5 star talent, then it's hard to look past the coaches. I don't have any experience with coaching schemes, but from the leadership aspect what I can say is if your leader/leaders aren't leading by example and setting the tone, unless you have a team of highly driven and focused people underneath, your org will underachieve. The only reason I mention that is it goes back to my previous point about the lack energy and passion on that field. I watch .500 programs that play so much more inspired, whether they are in a dog fight or running up the scoreboard, and right or wrong it makes me feel like this team is lacking some identity or chemistry or leadership.

I don't know what to think. All other problems aside, if next year we could get back to the type of defense we've been in the past where most teams felt fortunate if they could put 14 on the board against us it, that alone would make us very difficult to beat outside of a few select programs. I'm all for a cinderella story this year where we somehow clean up our act enough to get lucky and make the playoffs and somehow play two magical games that get us an NC. But realistically I feel like Bama could drop 70pts on our D before the 4th quarter begins, and that is not hyperbole. I would rather avoid the long term damage that would have and give the committee a reason to hold us out a year we deserve it because they've been overrating us.
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Truest post all night. You're a realest and I respect you for it.
 
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Hetuck said:
Fuck Ed Warinner for not being happy just coaching our OL. Seriously, fuck him.
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Warriner didn't promote himself, and he didn't fire himself for giving himself too much responsibility. That shit is ALL on Urban. He didn't replace his OC. he promoted two position coaches.

Let's talk about all the MENSA jokes. Does anyone on this board REALLY think that Ohio State could beat Texas next week? I sure don't. UT is trending upward. The same cannot be said about the Buckeyes.

Meyer had made some good hires. He's also made some COLLOSALLY bad hires. I used to talk shit about Tressel and Jim Bollman.

Forget about Zach Smith for half a moment, even though Zach Smith was an absolutely TERRIBLE hire. Fucking nepotism.

Greg Strudawa was A TERRIBLE hire. He's a "friend.' fuck this shit. It's not family. It's business.

Billy Davis? This dude has failed at every job he's ever had. But he was in Urban's wedding.

FUCK THIS GUY. AND FUCK URBAN FOR HIRING THIS GUY.

Urban has got to go.
 
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Football: Ohio State will try and move forward from Purdue loss

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Last season, after No. 5 Ohio State lost to Iowa 55-24, former Ohio State offensive lineman Billy Price addressed the team. This season, after the Buckeyes’ 49-20 loss to Purdue, senior offensive lineman Isaiah Prince did the same thing.

For redshirt senior wide receiver Terry McLaurin, the offensive and defensive lines are where the leaders of Ohio State are.

“Our program is prided on our O-line and D-line and for someone to step up and say something at a time like this, it’s necessary.” McLaurin said.

What was the overall message? It was the same one McLaurin heard after Iowa.

“There’s no pointing fingers,” McLaurin said. “We just have to look in the mirror and see what we could have done better. We got hit in the mouth, but it’s about how you come back from it.”

Ohio State will have a couple of weeks to figure out what went wrong in Indiana against Purdue before its next game.

The Buckeyes will enter its bye week after the loss to the Boilermakers, with its next game being against Nebraska on Nov. 3 in Ohio Stadium.

The goal heading into the bye week for head coach Urban Meyer remains the same whether or not his team won or lost to Purdue.

“We’re 7-1, and our objective is get to be 8-1 and find a way to get these things fixed in the bye week and get some guys healthy,” Meyer said. “We’re on fumes in the back end of our defense right now, so we gotta get some guys healthy.”

Ohio State was without redshirt junior cornerback Damon Arnette during its loss to the Boilermakers, who did not travel with the team after suffering an undisclosed injury against Minnesota. In the Purdue game, both junior wide receiver Austin Mack and sophomore Jeffrey Okudah left the game with injuries.

But even with the injuries, there are persistent issues on both offense and defense that Meyer knows he will need to address prior to the next game against the Cornhuskers.

McLaurin said this is something that a loss brings to light. It brings an aggressiveness, a seriousness to future games for Ohio State.

“When you are on a roll, it’s not like you feel like you can’t get touched, but you don’t know what that taste is like to lose,” McLaurin said. “It almost makes you recalibrated and get your mind right, look yourself in the mirror, all of us men in the locker room and see what you can do to get better. Not what the guy next to you can do, what you can do.”

Going into Ohio State’s last game before its bye week, the team thought it came in prepared, with Meyer saying he thought the Buckeyes came in with “a good week of work.” However, with losses come evaluation.

Evaluation needs time, which is something Ohio State has on its side. But it is an idea that players have to buy into.

Even though McLaurin would not share exactly what was said when Prince spoke to the team after the 29-point loss, he hopes the players heard what was said.

“I just hope everybody is in there listening and looking how we are going to get better from this,” McLaurin said. “You can’t say everything is going good when we come back and beat Penn State and we lose this and it’s all, ‘woe is me.’ You gotta take the good with the bad and you just have to look at how you can get better personally.”

Entire article: https://www.thelantern.com/2018/10/football-ohio-state-will-try-and-move-forward-from-purdue-loss/
 
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