Ohio State Now "Other Ohio Team"

[Muck]

Then again, as a non-Ohio State alum, you probably don't really care too much about that history.

You're right I'm not an Ohio State alum. On the other hand I have chosen to keep my residence of record within the State of Ohio so I AM a taxpayer whose money supports the various instituations in question. I have also paid the tuition for three students who have attended public universities within Ohio, including one who IS an Ohio State alum.

So it might be said that I have a vested interest in the performance of the University System of Ohio as a whole rather than a parochial interest in a single school to boost my ego.

I care about the history in much the same way as I did listening to the history being trotted out from Serbs or Shia's when they were the ones using it as an excuse for their petty greivances.

The game wouldn't be at Nippert, like the 02 game it would be in Paul Brown Stadium. Nippert is just as big as Dyke, Northwestern's home.

I'm well aware of that. I'm also aware of the fact that both Universities found it financially more advantageous to move it back.

The fact remains that Ohio State has scheduled two home & home series with the Univercity of Cincinnati in football despite your statement otherwise.

The whole mindset that Ohio State owes UC games is ludiculous to begin with. Clearly Duke is afraid of Ohio State because they don't schedule them regularly...the bastards.

Every single school in the nation schedules according to what they feel is best for their program. College football is a business and no school is going offer another one charity games.

And if you want to be seen as Big Brother, act like Big Brother and stop worrying about what some kid in Cincinnati says while celebrating his team's success.

I've criticized Ohio State players for their words & actions. I've criticized players from schools all around the country for their words & actions.

I'm hardly going to withold criticism from UC just because a few people feel their favorite school/players/fans should get a free pass.

I thought arrogance stopped on the other side of the Toledo city limits.

Then you should have gone to some UC basketball games during the Huggins year.

 

[BB73]

As a non-OSU alumn, I couldn't give a [censored] about funding and politics and whatever else it is that keeps you up late at night in your basement gripping the stress ball(s). I care about football and how those bitching about UC are acting 100X worse in their response and feel its justified or are too igrnorant or biased to see how they are acting.

"Stress balls?" That was funny to me.

"100x worse in their response?" That's hyperbole.

"biased"? I'm sure some of us are, but that's natural on a tOSU board, and for you to try to fight that is probably an uphill battle you can't win.

"ignorant"? The use of that word will simply piss some of us Buckeyes off, and I consider that to be an unwise choice on your part. If you choose to continue posting on this topic, please be more judicious. We don't want this discussion to degrade into name-calling and/or a pissing contest.

 

[buckeyesin07]

And if you want to be seen as Big Brother, act like Big Brother and stop worrying about what some kid in Cincinnati says while celebrating his team's success.

No one here has a problem with UC celebrating its success. We have a problem with UC pointlessly and classlessly trashing OSU in the process. Can you really not see the difference between the two?

 

[BuckeyeBill]

No one here has a problem with UC celebrating its success. We have a problem with UC pointlessly and classlessly trashing OSU in the process. Can you really not see the difference between the two?

In all fairness, I have seen worse cases of trashing someone's program. This stuff was pretty mild IMHO

 

[Magua]

Some of you need to seriously take a fuckin timeout and chill. This is beyond stupid. I have no allegiance, ties, or love for UC as a football program. But as a fan of college football I without a doubt respect what they have done and are doing. If UC becoming a football power means we'll have to deal with the big brother little brother talk, so be it. However, it will also go to show that Ohio's High School football is near the very top of this country(up there with texas california and florida). I also don't understand the animosity towards Gillyard. He simply pointed out that UC are the Big East champs, they are going BCS bowling for the first time, and that they would like to PROVE to the rest of the country that they are a competitive team by taking on Ohio State. Personally, as an OSU fan, I take that as a compliment that an up and coming program would want to play us to PROVE to the country that they are on their way. It shows to me that they understand to BE the best you have to BEAT the best. What better way for UC to do that than to beat the BEST(ohio state)?

And as H&G already said, know a little bit about the kid before you go attacking him and his teeth personally. I read about the story of Gillyard shortly after what he did on that ESPN game where he picked the kid up and helped him out and its a very good one. The kids a ballplayer too, fine WR. I don't care to get into the politics of the different universities in the state of Ohio, but having another competitive CFB program in the state where perhaps we can spark a future rivalry would be a GOOD thing. With the way the Big10 has been lately, we could use a quality OOC opponent yearly(I know we do for the next 10 years with all the high profile programs but im going beyond that).

The way I look at it I guess, is that if I were a UC fan I would be behind what the kid said in the interview(which I believe was done by a local/school newscast). It shows that he believes in what is going on at UC and that he has a strong passion for UC football and wants to see them succeed for years to come.

As for their schedule. Yes the Bigeast is down. But they have beaten WVU and Pitt which are decent teams this year and have been in the past. They did what OSU fans have been stating the last few years within the Bigten. THEY BEAT WHO WAS ON THEIR SCHEDULE. Just like we can't help it that most of the B10 has dropped off recently, Cinci cannot help it that Rutgers and Louisville have fallen off the earth in the last 2 years and that WVU took a sudden hit with DickRod leaving, and that Pitt isn't the power it once was. However, just a few years back Cinci was in C-USA and never going to a BCS bowl game, so I'd say UC fans are pretty excited right now...and with good reason.

 

[Steve19]

I'm not among those who find this guy all that offensive because I think it is laughable that anyone would consider Cincinnati as a football power. Their SOS is in the region of #55 or #60, right? They would be lucky to stay within two touchdowns of Ohio State according to most of the computer polls I looked at just now.

I think it's great for Cincy that they are ranked #12 in the human polls but it doesn't mean that they are within two places of an artificially voted down Ohio State or that they will be there next year.

So what if this kid wants to run his mouth? By doing so, he just draws attention to the fact that most folks think Cincy are in a BCS bowl because they are the Big East champs, and only because of that automatic bid. Through the most flattering lens, the Big East is not the Big Ten, even in this down year for the Big Ten, and everyone knows that. It's not even clear that the conference will have an automatic bid in a few years.

Computer rankings aren't everything but when you get away from this silly BCS formula that discounts winning margin and makes the model less predictive of outcomes, Cincy is ranked about #35.

Cincy is not a football power and if this guy wants to crow about a good year there, then fine, let him do it. I think it's great that they get so excited about a #12 ranking.

But, let's remember, when the Buckeyes end the season at #12, we consider that a real disappointment. Well done, Cincinnatti and good luck in your last two games.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I also don't understand the animosity towards Gillyard. He simply pointed out that UC are the Big East champs, they are going BCS bowling for the first time, and that they would like to PROVE to the rest of the country that they are a competitive team by taking on Ohio State. Personally, as an OSU fan, I take that as a compliment that an up and coming program would want to play us to PROVE to the country that they are on their way. It shows to me that they understand to BE the best you have to BEAT the best. What better way for UC to do that than to beat the BEST(ohio state)?

You've completely whitewashed what that kid said to make it sound like he's humbly asking to play Ohio State so that UC can prove themselves.

His exact words were:

We want to settle this big brother/little brother thing once and for all...We feel that we're the big brother in the state.

That's where the mockery of this kid comes from. Not because he's proud of winning the Big East but because he's throwing that--and two year's of success--around to belittle a top-5 all time program. It's mindless stupidity plain and simple, and he should be called out for it.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Every single school in the nation schedules according to what they feel is best for their program. College football is a business and no school is going offer another one charity games.

Uh, Youngstown State...

 

[Magua]

You've completely whitewashed what that kid said to make it sound like he's humbly asking to play Ohio State so that UC can prove themselves.

His exact words were:

We want to settle this big brother/little brother thing once and for all...We feel that we're the big brother in the state.

That's where the mockery of this kid comes from. Not because he's proud of winning the Big East but because he's throwing that--and two year's of success--around to belittle a top-5 all time program. It's mindless stupidity plain and simple, and he should be called out for it.

WE. FEEL.

He didn't say "we are the big brother in the state"

He said...we(the UC football team) feels that they are basically the better team in the state right now. Same record as us. Won a BCS conference outright. Automatic bid to a BCS bowl. Why shouldn't they be confident about their team? As for the "top 5 program all time" bit...How would you feel if he were referring to Notre Dame and Michigan? Top 5 all time programs i'd probably say...both absolute shit and would get taken to the shed out back made of wood by Cinci this year.

I think some people are getting so caught up in bashing the ACC and Big East that they don't realize how bad the Big10 is right now from top to bottom as a whole. The 3rd "best" team in our conference got absolutely abused by the 1st and 2nd place teams in the conference(once at home once on road). Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois(2 of which were supposed to have big years) were all TERRIBLE.

How would you feel if an Ohio State player admitted to being inferior to another team in the state of Ohio?

I just think some of the bashing ya'll are givin the kid is somewhat drastic. Maybe next time he should just bow down to all that is Buckeye in this state and consider Cinci a D2 school. Throw that Pride thing every team preaches right out the window.

and for the record, he doesn't sound "ignorant". He's not talking like a 5th grade gang member off the streets of LA. So some people calling him a thug based on his locks and teeth is pretty judgemental. Granted he's no scholar grammar boy im sure but its not like our own Bucks don't have some of that around the team.

Anyways, sorry to pour fuel on this already burning fire but I try to take my S&G glasses off from time to time and look at things rationally.

 

[BUCKYLE]

...If UC becoming a football power means we'll have to deal with the big brother little brother talk, so be it...

Little brother's are born, not created at the leisure of the little brother 115 years later. MSU deserves to becalled little brother by TSUN. Cinci deserves no such title. Not for the last 100+ years, and not for the next 100+ years. Fuck them.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

So some people calling him a thug based on his locks and teeth is pretty judgemental.

The only use of the word "thug" in this thread was by you. :p

 

[Magua]

The only use of the word "thug" in this thread was by you. :p

after scimming back thru the thead. you are correct. no one used thug. However, the insinuations are there.

I mean cmon, Mistah Grillz! (thanks mili lol). fact is the kids been called quite a few things in this thread and really, it comes down to my belief that we would not have a problem if an Ohio State player had that exact same interview about wanting to play another team due to recent success. As a few others have said, I look at it as Envy. The kid and his Bearcats want a shot at the Bucks because they are confident they could beat us and feel they'd have to to prove themselves to be a quality team.

 

[BUCKYLE]

after scimming back thru the thead. you are correct. no one used thug. However, the insinuations are there.

I mean cmon, Mistah Grillz! (thanks mili lol). fact is the kids been called quite a few things in this thread and really, it comes down to my belief that we would not have a problem if an Ohio State player had that exact same interview about wanting to play another team due to recent success. As a few others have said, I look at it as Envy. The kid and his Bearcats want a shot at the Bucks because they are confident they could beat us and feel they'd have to to prove themselves to be a quality team.

I don't believe that. That whole fucking team, dude with gold teeth included, knows that tOSU is not a possible opponent, so they take a shot at the big dog, knowing their aren't any reprocussions. Fuck 'em.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

after scimming back thru the thead. you are correct. no one used thug. However, the insinuations are there.

I mean cmon, Mistah Grillz! (thanks mili lol). fact is the kids been called quite a few things in this thread and really, it comes down to my belief that we would not have a problem if an Ohio State player had that exact same interview about wanting to play another team due to recent success. As a few others have said, I look at it as Envy. The kid and his Bearcats want a shot at the Bucks because they are confident they could beat us and feel they'd have to to prove themselves to be a quality team.

Actually, I'd be embarrassed. One thing that I could think would be similar would be an Ohio State player running smack about the SEC. I think that player would be roundly criticized on this board.

Secondly, I would be embarrassed if an Ohio State player were sporting Gangsta Grillz. I'm not saying that the kid is a thug or in a gang or anything of the sort. I am, however, contending that he is making a deliberate effort to perpetuate that type of image for himself and in doing so is an embarrassment to his university and his team.

 

[buckeyesin07]

WE. FEEL.

He didn't say "we are the big brother in the state"

How would you feel if an Ohio State player admitted to being inferior to another team in the state of Ohio?

Anyways, sorry to pour fuel on this already burning fire but I try to take my S&G glasses off from time to time and look at things rationally.

There's a huge difference between and Ginyard admitting that UC is inferior to OSU and what he actually said on the tape. I'm not sure why you fail to see that. Wait a second--I do. You accuse everyone here of not taking off their S&G glasses, yet you are tripping over yourself trying to justify Ginyard's actions. Take off the red and black glasses, fella.