Ohio State Now "Other Ohio Team"

[Muck]

Continue through to today when the Buckeyes won't give them a home and home match up in either sport.

The played @ Cincy in 02 & were scheduled to play there in 12 before buying out the game.

College football is about money. Playing at Nippert would be a major money loser for the Ohio State program.

I take it is a sign of envy that Gilyard called out OSU on the day UC clinched a BCS berth

That's exactly what it is.

At least the program finally has a direction and solid leadership. I can see UC being a lot like Virginia Tech in the next 10 years.

Virginia Tech has Beamer. Kansas State had Snyder. Wisconsin had Alvarez.

Bootstrapping yourself to the next level takes long term coaching stability. UC may find that right guy who's willing to invest the next couple of decades of his life building the UC program. I don't see anything that leads me to believe Brian Kelly is that guy.

Kelly isn't going to be in the 'Nati in 2012 when the Bearcats face Ohio State again, let alone 2018.

Look, I realize you hope UC fails on all levels. Your openning BK comment makes your dislike for this city and its major university obvious. But to constantly knock UC from everything from funding, to yokels on a UC message board is really ugly. So one kid called out OSU...big [censored]ing deal. UC is not on OSU's level and the more you bitch about what the school, the players and the fans do and say makes you sound like...well, like you might be getting a little bit nervous about what's going on in Clifton.

H&G, Clearly ORD has personal issues he needs to work through when it comes to higher education in the State of Ohio but this isn't one you can pin on him...At least two other people have brought up the comments in other threads before ORD's post and the reaction has been the same. The problem here isn't ORD, it's how the folks associated with the UC football program are handling their first small taste of success.

The fans, players & the University of Cincinnati itself have handled themselves in an entirely bush league manner.

Personally I would be embarassed if the institutions I've attended or individuals associated with them behaved in a similar vein. I'd like to think I'd spend more time chastising them with lame old chestnusts like "Act Like You've Been There Before" rather than bend over backwards defending their classless behavior.

If you don't want to be treated like little brother then don't freakin' act like little brother.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Honestly, I don't know what's more pathetic. The whole "Ohio's BCS Team" smack or that they're bragging about their 31,964 average attendance in a stadium with a capacity of 35,097.

Hey everybody, look at us! We averaged 9% empty seats during our most successful year ever. Let's spend tens of millions that we don't have to expand! Sounds like there's some real bright bulbs running the ship down in Clifton.

 

[Honor&Glory]

Honestly, I don't know what's more pathetic. The whole "Ohio's BCS Team" smack or that they're bragging about their 31,964 average attendance in a stadium with a capacity of 35,097.

Hey everybody, look at us! We averaged 9% empty seats during our most successful year ever. Let's spend tens of millions that we don't have to expand! Sounds like there's some real bright bulbs running the ship down in Clifton.

Have you actually read what was said at the news conference or do you really enjoy sounding like the OSU equivillent of the UC fan you bitch about??

The money is being raised and your tax dollar isn't going to pay for it.
The Stadium is landlocked on campus and needs to be expanded to comfortablly hold the 35,000 it currently does seat. That is the first priority of the expansion project. I can assume that you've never set foot on UC's campus let alone Nippert stadium, so stop talking like you have any freaking clue that you know what you're talking about.

 

[Honor&Glory]

The played @ Cincy in 02 & were scheduled to play there in 12 before buying out the game.

College football is about money. Playing at Nippert would be a major money loser for the Ohio State program.




That's exactly what it is.




Virginia Tech has Beamer. Kansas State had Snyder. Wisconsin had Alvarez.

Bootstrapping yourself to the next level takes long term coaching stability. UC may find that right guy who's willing to invest the next couple of decades of his life building the UC program. I don't see anything that leads me to believe Brian Kelly is that guy.

Kelly isn't going to be in the 'Nati in 2012 when the Bearcats face Ohio State again, let alone 2018.




H&G, Clearly ORD has personal issues he needs to work through when it comes to higher education in the State of Ohio but this isn't one you can pin on him...At least two other people have brought up the comments in other threads before ORD's post and the reaction has been the same. The problem here isn't ORD, it's how the folks associated with the UC football program are handling their first small taste of success.

The fans, players & the University of Cincinnati itself have handled themselves in an entirely bush league manner.

Personally I would be embarassed if the institutions I've attended or individuals associated with them behaved in a similar vein. I'd like to think I'd spend more time chastising them with lame old chestnusts like "Act Like You've Been There Before" rather than bend over backwards defending their classless behavior.

If you don't want to be treated like little brother then don't freakin' act like little brother.

If UC is the [censored]ant you believe it to be, why do you care how the fans and one player reacted to earning a BCS berth? Honestly, if UC is nothing more than gum on the bottom of the shoe to a program like OSU, where does the hatred come from?

"act like you've been there before"? well, they haven't. This is clearly uncharted territory for UC. When you say that I should be ashamed or concerned about how UC fans, players, etc...behaved after winning the berth, well, I'm going to have to call bull [censored] on that.
I'd rather a player call out OSU and fans to celebrate with the team and the football website to say "Ohio's BCS" team (funny how you don't complain about OSU fans saying THE Ohio State University when you are aware, as much as I am, that's meant to slam all the other state schools) is much better than burning couches, turning over cars, beating down opposing fans in parking garages or having mass arrests. As an OSU fan, I'm more embarrassed by that than I am as a UC alumnus over the web site or Marddy Gilyard.

 

[Muck]

If UC is the [censored]ant you believe it to be, why do you care how the fans and one player reacted to earning a BCS berth? Honestly, if UC is nothing more than gum on the bottom of the shoe to a program like OSU, where does the hatred come from?

What in the hell are you talking about? In the future you would be better served by not putting words in my mouth.

You need to take a serious time out. Go drink some warm milk, take a nap & come back once you're a little less emotionally invested in this situation.

I have no hatred towards UC. As I stated in another thread I've probably been to more UC games over the past few years than the vast majority of UC "fans". I've rooted for UC to step up & be more successfull for 20+ years. I froze my butt off in Riverfront arena screaming for them when they were tied 10-10 with the Hurricanes at halftime (the second half wasn't quite so kind...).

If The Ohio State University issued an official statement that tried to make it's bowl bid look better by denigrating USC I would be just as critical.

If you can't set aside your loyalty long enough to see that it's not a high class move for a University to take a shot at another school (which is not in it's conference, isn't a rival & has no direct bearing on it's success) for the sole purpose of trying to justify it's own success...then perhaps this just isn't a topic which you can discuss objectively.

 

[Zander42]

(funny how you don't complain about OSU fans saying THE Ohio State University when you are aware, as much as I am, that's meant to slam all the other state schools) is much better than burning couches, turning over cars, beating down opposing fans in parking garages or having mass arrests. As an OSU fan, I'm more embarrassed by that than I am as a UC alumnus over the web site or Marddy Gilyard.

I spent my whole life in Ohio before '06 and attended one of the "other" state schools and I have never thought of the "THE" that way. I understand that it's mildly anoying to scUM fans, but I always considered that part of the fun.

Personally, I have no problem with what the player said, except that it's telling that in his own schools moment of glory, he mentions another school. I don't have a problem with it, it's just not what I would do. The university itself should be above such talk. Be happy for yourself, but don't try to bring down others in the process. Maybe they thought it would be a recruiting tool. I think it just makes them look petty.

As far as fans go, all the gloves come off when it comes to fans, they should be talking all kinds of shit, good on 'em, all 35,000 or so of them.

 

[Honor&Glory]

What in the hell are you talking about? In the future you would be better served by not putting words in my mouth.

You need to take a serious time out. Go drink some warm milk, take a nap & come back once you're a little less emotionally invested in this situation.

I have no hatred towards UC. As I stated in another thread I've probably been to more UC games over the past few years than the vast majority of UC "fans". I've rooted for UC to step up & be more successfull for 20+ years. I froze my butt off in Riverfront arena screaming for them when they were tied 10-10 with the Hurricanes at halftime (the second half wasn't quite so kind...).

If The Ohio State University issued an official statement that tried to make it's bowl bid look better by denigrating USC I would be just as critical.
If you can't set aside your loyalty long enough to see that it's not a high class move for a University to take a shot at another school (which is not in it's conference, isn't a rival & has no direct bearing on it's success) for the sole purpose of trying to justify it's own success...then perhaps this just isn't a topic which you can discuss objectively.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth so I will ask...did you write this in your previous post?

The fans, players & the University of Cincinnati itself have handled themselves in an entirely bush league manner.

Personally I would be embarassed if the institutions I've attended or individuals associated with them behaved in a similar vein. I'd like to think I'd spend more time chastising them with lame old chestnusts like "Act Like You've Been There Before" rather than bend over backwards defending their classless behavior.

If so, I believe my response (asking you why you cared) is a valid question.

btw...it was Riverfront Stadium, not 'Arena'



as for being able to discuss the topic objectively; I believe I have been more than objective in discussing this. I have bent over backwards to be objective. However, when you believe ORD is the objective one, there will be no convincing you on that point and I will happily remain unobjective in your eyes. :)

 

[Muck]

If so, I believe my response (asking you why you cared) is a valid question.

UC acted bush league. Period. I'll happily stand by that.

Claims that I believe the program to be "pissant", "gum on the sole of a shoe" & insinuating hatred are nothing more than an invention on your part.

However, when you believe ORD is the objective one, there will be no convincing you on that point and I will happily remain unobjective in your eyes. :)

Feel free to cite where I've stated ORD is objective in the matter.

I don't abide dishonest people. You've lost all respect in my eyes.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Act like you've been there before, and you'll be there again.

 

[TucsonBuckeye08]

Since when are we any kind of brothers?

Being excited because your going to a BCS game - Good for you!

Wanting to play tOSU - Questionable?

Challenging a team you have not beaten in 111 years for supremacy of the state - Ridiculous.

 

[BB73]

Feel free to cite where I've stated ORD is objective in the matter.

Is this where?

Clearly ORD has personal issues he needs to work through when it comes to higher education in the State of Ohio

Seriously, everybody should calm down and be careful how they're responding. PMs may be a good option if you wish to continue the discussion.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

ORD's strong feelings when it comes to Higher Education in Ohio notwithstanding, I love it when he types 'Fingerhut'.

That name never fails to crack me up.

:p

 

[Gatorubet]

Seriously, everybody should calm down and be careful how they're responding. PMs may be a good option if you wish to continue the discussion.

I don't know about that, but your mother sleeps with unshaven merchant seamen for nickels...

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I don't know about that, but your mother sleeps with unshaven merchant seamen for nickels...

What's long, hard and full of semen....er, seamen...

Nevermind. Some jokes don't translate to the written language.

 

[Gatormaniac]

(have lurked for a long time, had to register to put my $.02 in)

Maybe it's just a Big Least thing; USF fans were remarkably obnoxious towards Gator fans when they briefly moved up into the top 5 last season. Of course, they then immediately lost three straight.

I was torn between wanting to schedule games with USF just for the fun of dismantling them, and feeling that was giving them a bit too much respect/attention. Undoubtedly the UC thing puts Ohio State fans in a similar state of wishing to punish them for arrogance vs. not caring to grant them unwarranted recognition. I suppose one possible solution to the dilemma would be for UF to schedule/beat up UC, and OSU to schedule/beat up USF, but a stadium of 35,000 isn't really worth travelling to in a home-and-away. At least USF plays in a nice-sized stadium, even if it they have to borrow it from the Bucs.