Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[Mike80]

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This quote is pretty funny.

AKA winning the ACC is an easier road to a BCS game than winning the Big Ten.

Yep - now I'd love to see the BIG cut their asses off entirely - scUM and Sparty need to stop scheduling them as should Purdidn't.

 

[AJHawkfan]

Yep - now I'd love to see the BIG cut their asses off entirely - scUM and Sparty need to stop scheduling them as should Purdidn't.

Agreed.

 

[cincibuck]

Well, as the book BB73 scanned and placed on here states, Notre Dame WANTED into the Big 10 in the 1920s, but Yost and Michigan kept them out. Michigan tried to pass a resolution that ALL Big 10 teams would refuse to schedule them, but Purdue wouldn't go along. Michigan state wanted into the Big 10, but Michigan kept them out claiming that their schedule wasn't up to Big 10 standards so Notre Dame offered the Spartans a series and the Big 10 accepted MSU to replace Chicago.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Well, as the book BB73 scanned and placed on here states, Notre Dame WANTED into the Big 10 in the 1920s, but Yost and Michigan kept them out. Michigan tried to pass a resolution that ALL Big 10 teams would refuse to schedule them, but Purdue wouldn't go along. Michigan state wanted into the Big 10, but Michigan kept them out claiming that their schedule wasn't up to Big 10 standards so Notre Dame offered the Spartans a series and the Big 10 accepted MSU to replace Chicago.

Sparty and Purdue need to essentially take a page from how Minnesota handled the BIG hockey conference. They didn't want it, but when push came to shove they did what was in the larger interest of the conference. Freezing out the domers in their own region, is a very necessary thing IMO, aside from just being the right thing to do in response to their continual thumbing of their nose at us.

 

[GaTechBuckeye]

How in the world does ND remaining independent in football affect postseason play for them? Swarbrick speaks nonsense.

During the press conference they said that Notre Dame can take the ACC's second automatic birth if they're within 1 win of the ACC team.

For instance, a 9-3 Notre Dame team can get in over a 10-2 ACC team.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

During the press conference they said that Notre Dame can take the ACC's second automatic birth if they're within 1 win of the ACC team.

For instance, a 9-3 Notre Dame team can get in over a 10-2 ACC team.

After watching the domers take bowl bids away from Big East teams and never give back anything, how can the ACC be so [censored]ing stupid. ND takes; they don't give. You have a better chance of entering a mutually beneficial agreement with the Chinese or Tony Soprano than you do with the domers. And now that the playoff rules ensure that ND won't have to join a conference, why would anybody buy into their self-serving bull[Mark May].

I also wonder how their faculty feel about this after wanting to get into the CIC so bad. Big Ten schools should just start poaching anyone of value off their faculty. Gut the fucking place.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

they sold their soul to the devil ..... looks like its still gonna be a long time before the ACC wins a BSC game.

saw somewhere ND has to pay $5 Mill... but wait 27 months before joining the ACC.

 

[Piney]

they sold their soul to the devil ..... looks like its still gonna be a long time before the ACC wins a BSC game.

saw somewhere ND has to pay $5 Mill... but wait 27 months before joining the ACC.

The sold their soul for existence. I would bet that increase in exit fees would not have been approved if Notre Dame wasn't attached to it. So now the ACC teams cannot be poached (unless $50 million becomes pocket change in 10 years)

And really... this is a good deal for both parties. Probably better for Notre Dame, but the ACC benefits too. Now with Notre Dame part of their bowl lineup the price of those bowls go up. I am sure that Orange Bowl deal doesn't happen if this wasn't in the works. And since the ACC teams have hard times selling out their own stadiums, a visit from Notre Dame every 3-4 years would probably do wonders for their gate. The downside? A couple of teams that never travel to bowls get pushed down even further? Not like they have enough fans to care about that.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The sold their soul for existence. I would bet that increase in exit fees would not have been approved if Notre Dame wasn't attached to it. So now the ACC teams cannot be poached (unless $50 million becomes pocket change in 10 years)

And really... this is a good deal for both parties. Probably better for Notre Dame, but the ACC benefits too. Now with Notre Dame part of their bowl lineup the price of those bowls go up. I am sure that Orange Bowl deal doesn't happen if this wasn't in the works. And since the ACC teams have hard times selling out their own stadiums, a visit from Notre Dame every 3-4 years would probably do wonders for their gate. The downside? A couple of teams that never travel to bowls get pushed down even further? Not like they have enough fans to care about that.

Complete lack of vision and boldness on Delaney's part brought us to this announcement. Corn was the middle of the road, football only, play it safe pick. It was exactly the pick that plays into the stereotype of a conservative conference mired in the past rather than looking towards the future. While it might have been the smart pick up until the late 90s, today it may have done more damage (from a lost opportunity perspective) than good.

Six months ago, we could have teamed up with Texas and killed the ACC as a player and given ND (and possibly PSU down the road) no options other than to play ball with us.

Given the $50M exit fee, the Big Ten is essentially cockblocked from expanding into the NE corridor unless it takes the scraps from the Big East. It also gives ped aggy quite a bit of leverage should they seriously threaten to leave knowing we have no realistic options to replace them now.

Swarprick and the ACC commissioner just made Delaney look like a fool.

 

[Dryden]

The ACC has been so bad in BCS bowl games they've sold their soul to allow a team that's won two bowl games in 18 years to be their standard bearer?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The ACC has been so bad in BCS bowl games they've sold their soul to allow a team that's won two bowl games in 18 years to be their standard bearer?

From an on-field perspective, I agree. It does nothing to make the ACC nor ND more relevant in the immediate future. My take is larger and more long term in the sense of the conference footprint, the BTN exposure, recruiting and ultimately athletic department revenues.

The phoenix like rise from the ashes of the ACC doesn't necessarily weaken the Big Ten immediately, but it conceivably cripples our options for future growth and expansion.

 

[colobuck79]

I thought I couldn't hate ND any more than I did. I was wrong.

 

[cincibuck]

After watching the domers take bowl bids away from Big East teams and never give back anything, how can the ACC be so [censored]ing stupid. ND takes; they don't give. You have a better chance of entering a mutually beneficial agreement with the Chinese or Tony Soprano than you do with the domers. And now that the playoff rules ensure that ND won't have to join a conference, why would anybody buy into their self-serving bull[Mark May].

I also wonder how their faculty feel about this after wanting to get into the CIC so bad. Big Ten schools should just start poaching anyone of value off their faculty. Gut the fucking place.

Without looking anything up - or as Click and Clack would put it, "without the benefit of the scientific method" - I would say that the ACC is probably close to the BIG scholastically. Virginia = Michigan, UNC = Ohio State or Illinois or Wisconsin, Duke v Northwestern is a toss up, Ga Tech = Purdue. Don't know that much about the rest, but Miami is supposed to be academically sound and NC State has the benefit of the research triangle.

 

[cincibuck]

From an on-field perspective, I agree. It does nothing to make the ACC nor ND more relevant in the immediate future. My take is larger and more long term in the sense of the conference footprint, the BTN exposure, recruiting and ultimately athletic department revenues.

The phoenix like rise from the ashes of the ACC doesn't necessarily weaken the Big Ten immediately, but it conceivably cripples our options for future growth and expansion.

I'd say it just about cuts the Big 10 off at the pass. Brings the ACC to the Chicago market, they've already got a big imprint on the East Coast.

You're not going to entice Texas without also taking Oklahoma. Iowa sure as hell wouldn't want Iowa State and Kansas in.

ND was clearly the last piece of Midwestern real estate that looked enticing to the BIG. Maybe they entice McGill and U Toronto and lock up the Canadian market.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Without looking anything up - or as Click and Clack would put it, "without the benefit of the scientific method" - I would say that the ACC is probably close to the BIG scholastically. Virginia = Michigan, UNC = Ohio State or Illinois or Wisconsin, Duke v Northwestern is a toss up, Ga Tech = Purdue. Don't know that much about the rest, but Miami is supposed to be academically sound and NC State has the benefit of the research triangle.

True, but there's no formal academic/research consortium that would help propel ND into the AAU which was what the faculty were expecting from Big Ten membership.