• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Notre Dame (football only discussion)

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
cincibuck;2212556; said:
Ord, you're in a better place to know these things than I am, but it seems to me that a deal with Texas was impossible. They used the Big 10 to threaten the rest of the Big whatchamacallit and entice other suitors, including the SEC and Pac whatchamacallit, Like Notre Dame, they were in it only for what they could get out of it and sharing revenue and air time with 13 other schools was not part of the bargain.

ND seems to have played their hand very well. They get to expand on their hold of the East Coast market - the very market that keeps NBC shelling out big bucks for mediocre football - they get to keep their independence - and they skip on the Big East with a minimal penalty. I see Cincy in the Mac, something they have fought against. I see the Big East folding - they could have had Penn State, but allowed Syracuse to block it.

Pay backs are bitches, and in this case if there's someone to hand the bill to it's Fielding Yost and Michigan.
Click to expand...

I definitely think, in retrospect, UT to the Big Ten was an impossibility. I was suggesting that Texas--in a desire to lure FSU, Clemson and Miami to the B12 would have joined the Big Ten in breaking up the ACC. Both conferences would have kept the 16th spot open until the domers made a decision.

I also think that it's a real possibility that if Penn State can rise up after the sanctions are over, they'll be in a position to have an unhealthy degree of leverage over the conference. They'll be our sole East Coast anchor with the only options for replacing them being UCONN, Rutgers or luring the couch burners away from the Big 12.

Delany set this all in motion when he first put some sepia toned, nostalic interest in the Rose Bowl ahead of the long term interests of conference schools (and the economic interests of their region) and then gave away the home field card in the playoffs without guaranteeing a conference champion provision, thereby allowing ND to cling to their independence and turn around and no-lube the ACC.

My opinion might change with a little contemplation, but right now, I'm of a mind that he's screwed the conference for the next ten years in ways that his BTN triumph can't wash away: taking the Corn for an immediate football bump instead of the long term strategy of locking down the NE corridor markets, placing more importance on the Rose Bowl than his own schools interests and finally letting Sawprick and Slive work him like a five dollar whore regarding the conference champions issue.

Personally, I could care less anymore about having ND in the Big Ten. Let the ACC deal with the cancer that they just willingly took in, and we'll see how they feel about their new friends in a couple of years. We'll see how the first fanbase that gets bumped from a bowl by a ND team with one more loss feels about the deal. To me, the disaster today is that it completely chokes off future Big Ten expansion in the direction that we should have been taking it in the first place. In return we picked up a faded football program that's on its third coach since St. Thomas retired and couldn't compete with Okie or Texas in the Big 12 and brings very little to the BTN.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
Zippercat;2212539; said:
So you're sayin the Big Ten also needs to adopt a huge exit fee to keep Ped State in its place?
Click to expand...

In the grand scheme of things exit fees are meaningless. They almost always get negotiated down and have proven to be completely ineffective in keeping schools that really want out of a conference from leaving.

If the ACC had engineered a grant of (media) rights then they the schools really would be locked in. That is the only thing that saved the B12 from completely disintegrating. The ACC didn't do that, primarily because it just added a destabilizing influence in 'special needs' ND.

In the long run this makes the ACC less stable rather than more so.

And ORD you really need stop drinking the mountain dew. Texas was not going break apart the ACC and steal whoever it wanted. Your anti-Delaney obsession has completely clouded your view.

ulukinatme;2212651; said:
Probably South Bend and neutral sites for years they play Wake Forest and Duke.
Click to expand...

Note that the academic peers that ND claims are so important are the ones that it is going to try & bully the most.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...hedule-partial-member-big-east-big-12-big-ten

Notre Dame to ACC: Fighting Irish take path of least resistance to retain relevance

Let me take you back to a time not so long ago, before the SEC and the Big 12 did their thing and became the talk of college football.
Commissioner John Swofford stated adamantly this offseason that the ACC would not admit Notre Dame as a partial member. Not now, not ever.
Now fast forward to Wednesday morning:
Two desperate, wayward souls standing on the altar in a marriage of convenience, both using each other in every sense imaginable.
Notre Dame wants to be relevant again. The ACC is in danger of being lapped by the BCS power conferences.
?What was best 20 years ago,? Swofford said, ?isn?t necessarily best in today?s world.?
And what?s best in today?s world for Notre Dame is choosing the easiest path back to respectability.
The Irish had to make a decision about their football future. The landscape had changed; the power had shifted squarely to the SEC and Big 12, and the once storied program that is 83-72 versus BCS teams since Lou Holtz retired after the 1996 season, made its move.
There were three options available for Notre Dame: the Big Ten, the Big 12 and the ACC. The Big Ten wanted full membership; the Big 12 and ACC would take partial membership.
Notre Dame values its football independence, so the choice then became play in the second-toughest league in the game, or play against a conference one step ahead of the floundering Big East.
?Moving to the ACC is the best course of action for us,? Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick said.
How could it not be?
Don?t believe the public relations spin of joining an elite academic conference as a high priority. If academics were No. 1, the Big Ten was the place to be.
Don?t believe the public relations spin of joining a competitive conference that can help the Irish build on its century of tradition. If competition was the goal, the Big 12 was the place to be.
This, more than anything, is Notre Dame trying to return to the college football elite by traveling the road of least resistance. By moving to the ACC and playing five games annually against the league, it all but assures Notre Dame?s longstanding rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue will be altered or maybe eliminated.
cont.
Click to expand...
 
Upvote 0
Muck;2212892; said:
And ORD you really need stop drinking the mountain dew. Texas was not going break apart the ACC and steal whoever it wanted. Your anti-Delaney obsession has completely clouded your view.
Click to expand...

I disagree. FSU wanted out, and Clemson (and possibly Miami) may have gone with them. The Big 12 is going to need to go to 12 eventually. Now, where do they go? Boise? the Magic Underwear school? Colorado State? Hell, Louisville has suddenly jumped up to the top of their list.

There's no Delany obsession. There is just a recognition that his record has been dismal on the most important issues of late, and the conference has suffered because of it. I was always hugely pro Delany until the last 18 months. I believed that the Big Ten was being taken care of, but he's just shit the bed since the network.
 
Upvote 0
For all the rhetoric in the media about this, I am not even convinced that it is a big deal - ND is still a Football Independent, and the only thing ultimately settled in this move is that the ACC will probably survive as a conference.

We don't want some partial membership schools.

We don't want some crap school from the Big East.

Let's see how much ND gets from its tv deal.
 
Upvote 0
ORD_Buckeye;2213035; said:
I disagree. FSU wanted out, and Clemson (and possibly Miami) may have gone with them. The Big 12 is going to need to go to 12 eventually. Now, where do they go? Boise? the Magic Underwear school? Colorado State? Hell, Louisville has suddenly jumped up to the top of their list.
Click to expand...

The B12 is a dumpster fire. There is a reason that everybody who could get out did get out and schools like Oklahoma were pounding on every conference door they could find begging to be let in.

Seminole & Tiger fans may be stupid enough to go slum in the dust bowl trailer park just to spite the NC schools...but the school administrators aren't nearly so foolish.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
Muck;2213378; said:
The B12 is a dumpster fire. There is a reason that everybody who could get out did get out and schools like Oklahoma were pounding on every conference door they could find begging to be let in.
Click to expand...

Hmmmmmm, the SEC wouldn't take Okie? Seems like a good fit - mediocre academics - flexible ethics - top 25 program year in and year out - and along with aTm it would have given the SEC a big footprint in a big TV/media market. Would have really put an end to Texas plans to set up a two-horse conference where they got the bulk of the revenue. Maybe they don't mind being one half of the Big Two.

Seminole & Tiger fans may be stupid enough to go slum in the dust bowl trailer park just to spite the NC schools...but the school administrators aren't nearly so foolish.
Click to expand...

Not sure what you mean here. Clemson's academic rep is pretty low in comparison to the rest of the ACC, but conference athletics are not ruled by the presidents, but by the ADs and therein lies the huge difference between the Big Two, the SEC, ACC and the BIG.
 
Upvote 0
cincibuck;2213416; said:
Hmmmmmm, the SEC wouldn't take Okie? Seems like a good fit - mediocre academics - flexible ethics - top 25 program year in and year out - and along with aTm it would have given the SEC a big footprint in a big TV/media market. Would have really put an end to Texas plans to set up a two-horse conference where they got the bulk of the revenue. Maybe they don't mind being one half of the Big Two.
Click to expand...

The SEC would have taken them, except for the fact that T Boone U would have to tag along.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top