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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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CincyInterloper said:
It just seems like the wheels have come off since the FSU game. From consideration for the playoff to out of the top 25 in just 4 weeks.
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Yup, the wheels are certainly off at this point. Very likely the Irish go 1-5 in the last half of this season with a loss to USC this week. The defense is just too banged up, they can't generate a pass rush with the remaining DL they have in there. To make matters worse the secondary is pretty beaten up too. Oddly enough, almost all of the injuries and suspensions are on the defensive side of the ball, the only missing player on offense seems to be Davaris Daniels who was one of the Frozen 5 suspendees.

Golson's turnover woes certainly haven't helped though. It's crazy to think he would have worse ball security than Tommy Rees did at this point. I've seen a lot of people question if Golson's play making ability is worth the inconsistency and turnovers. Wouldn't mind seeing Malik Zaire get some snaps against USC, tbh. Not much to be gained or lost in that game at this point other than a rivalry win, and Zaire hasn't really gotten an opportunity to show what he can do at this point.
 
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cincibuck said:
I will give ND this: They did suspend players for academic violations. That compares favorably with what FSU has done for sexual assault, harassment and vandalism at a level that should have handled as a felony offense.
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the domers' track record for handling sexual assault is about on par with how well they deal with scissor lifts.
 
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tsteele316 said:
the domers' track record for handling sexual assault is about on par with how well they deal with scissor lifts.
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Not to be contrarian of the month, but colleges collectively have not known what to do about sexual assault and that includes the ivies. Let's face it, the issue is a mine field with the potential to over react in either direction. The scissor-lift issue was shamefully paid off and never given the investigation it warranted.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
Cincinnati isn't even that good this year. How Kelly is doing worse at ND with all the resources they have is beyond me.

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fbs/usa-today-coaches-poll
Others receiving votes: LSU 43, Nebraska 41, Arkansas 19, Utah 19, Stanford 7, Cincinnati 7, Louisiana Tech 7, Duke 5, Texas 4, Texas A&M 4, USC 4, Northern Illinois 3, Notre Dame 1, Iowa 1, Utah State 1.
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This (i.e. fake commercial) is still true, except for the score at the 25 second mark.



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cincibuck said:
Not to be contrarian of the month, but colleges collectively have not known what to do about sexual assault and that includes the ivies. Let's face it, the issue is a mine field with the potential to over react in either direction. The scissor-lift issue was shamefully paid off and never given the investigation it warranted.
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the proper method for handling it is clearly a work in progress. however, ignoring it until a girl kills herself was never really a viable method.
 
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tsteele316 said:
the domers' track record for handling sexual assault is about on par with how well they deal with scissor lifts.
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Yep. Suspending players for academics just allows them to climb onto their holier-than-thou pedastal that much more smugly. Dealing with sexual assault, however, has always been swept under the rug at ND. That's too much for the priests and their smug alumni and fans to admit to.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Yep. Suspending players for academics just allows them to climb onto their holier-than-thou pedastal that much more smugly. Dealing with sexual assault, however, has always been swept under the rug at ND. That's too much for the priests and their smug alumni and fans to admit to.
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Sexual assault happens on every campus, regardless of locale or religious affiliations. 1 in 5 college females will be sexually assaulted in their time, and something like only 14% are reported because of shaming and pressure from peers to keep it quiet. It's not just something that happened at ND, it's a problem that affects all universities and needs to be addressed. The most recent example is the UVA frat rapes that have been going on for some time: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/22/us/university-of-virginia-sexual-assault-allegations/
 
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ulukinatme said:
1 in 5 college females will be sexually assaulted in their time
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Allegedly.

It would be interesting to know how many of these alleged assaults are a matter of morning-after regret, or of girls thinking they have the right to say "no" after penetration has already been achieved. Or of boy-girl couples in which both are too drunk or stoned to know exactly what's happening. All of these circumstances are characterized by the "Take Back the Night" crowd as "sexual assault" by males.

Yes, I have a daughter, graduated college in 2004. She is, if anything, even more cynical about this whole business than I am. Her opinion is that the "1 in 5" commonly cited is in fact more like 1 in 100. Still not acceptable, however, obviously. But attention needs to be paid to the actual assaults, rather than to the whining of girls who said "yes" (by action if not actual words) and then decided that wasn't such a good idea.
 
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ulukinatme said:
Sexual assault happens on every campus, regardless of locale or religious affiliations. 1 in 5 college females will be sexually assaulted in their time, and something like only 14% are reported because of shaming and pressure from peers to keep it quiet. It's not just something that happened at ND, it's a problem that affects all universities and needs to be addressed. The most recent example is the UVA frat rapes that have been going on for some time: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/22/us/university-of-virginia-sexual-assault-allegations/
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All true, and all utterly beside the point and diversionary. Sexual assault became a uniquely Notre Dame football issue when the campus police covered it up and the alleged assailant's teammates harassed the victim into suicide. Even Jimbo hasn't turned Jameis' teammates loose on the victim....at least not yet.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
All true, and all utterly beside the point and diversionary. Sexual assault became a uniquely Notre Dame football issue when the campus police covered it up and the alleged assailant's teammates harassed the victim into suicide. Even Jimbo hasn't turned Jameis' teammates loose on the victim....at least not yet.
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The Brendan Gibbons story at Michigan wasn't much different than that with ND, the difference being Gibbons raped the girl as oppose to sexual assault, and the girl did not commit suicide. The loss of life can't be replaced of course and made the story at ND that much worse, but the cover up and victim shaming you describe were no different. The way universities handle these situations needs to change, and kids of both genders need to be reeducated to prevent this stuff from happening.
 
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