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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
NO.... I have a life!

The best ... JOE MONTANA

Out-coached? Pretty easy to say that wen your team had better talent....
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So, if I am understanding you, you are basing your comment about "ND being more successful with QBs in the NFL" on one guy over the 80+ years the NFL has been around? Even if Joe Montana is the best of all-time, that doesn't make ND a success at "producing successful QBs"...unless, of course, you consider Rick Mirer enough evidence by himself that they don't.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
That's the question I keep hearing...

How the heck did AJ get her ??
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...because she's seen what South Bend has to offer.

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Damn I wish St. Patty's would come more than once a year. I don't get to wear that shirt nearly enough.
 
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BCSBust said:
Sorry, but I had to jump on this...

Archie won two Heisman trophies and was the only player in college football history to do so. Brady Quinn, at maximum, can win one Heisman trophy. I'm sure that he will be at the worst, a decent QB in the NFL. However, you can't say that he's coached by the "best," as stated earlier, when Weis hasn't coached, but one year, and has yet to send a QB into the pros, and as Steve stated earlier, Willingham was annointed as a "God" after leading the Irish to a great record after his first season, and we all know what fate he met...
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Reading comprehension- Did I say he was coached by the best or received POINTERS by the best? Joe T and Montana! You don't get much better NFL training than that. But CW has proven he can coach an NFL QB as well.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You're borderline trolling now. Maybe you'd like to enlighten us as to how history's only two-time Heisman Trophy winner was purely the product of Woody Haye's "system"...
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Because he played in a 3 yards and a cloud of dust system with a great line and one of the best fullbacks in college football history blocking for him. There have been many very good "system" Heisman winners and when they got to the NFL it proved it's point. The best make it in the NFL, you cant deny that. I am not trolling as you say as I know for a fact there are more than a few Buckeye fans that agree. Archie was an outstanding college player but the system helped him greatly.
 
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Bucklion said:
So, if I am understanding you, you are basing your comment about "ND being more successful with QBs in the NFL" on one guy over the 80+ years the NFL has been around? Even if Joe Montana is the best of all-time, that doesn't make ND a success at "producing successful QBs"...unless, of course, you consider Rick Mirer enough evidence by himself that they don't.
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ND QB's have been in 6 SB's (7 sort of) with 17 pro bowls between them. Nots not bad and not many schools can rival that.

Funny that you all like to dog Mirer for his NFL career.

Totals Archie 7 seasons 4,415 yards 13 TD's Rushing 2,808
Totals Rick 12 seasons 13,099 yards 50 TD's Rushing 1,130
 
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Archie was an outstanding college player but the system helped him greatly.
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is he 'system, system, system' or 'an outstanding college player'? Pick a side.
NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
ND QB's have been in 6 SB's with 17 pro bowls between them. Nots not bad and not many schools can rival that.
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how many of them are currently playing?
Funny that you all like to dog Mirerfor his NFL career and yet not Archie. Rick Mirer ran yes ran for 1,130 yards as an NFL QB while Archie a Rb had only 2,808 yards. Totals.
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sorry, nobody here claimed we were a RB factory, tho I'm glad you focus solely on one RB that went pro 30 years ago. Better not look at a RB from a similar era, in Eddie George... since he did not flop like Mirer. Why do you keep shifting the discussion, to the point where we are comparing a 1975 RB and a dual-threat QB from the 90s?
 
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jwinslow said:
is he 'system, system, system' or 'an outstanding college player'? Pick a side.how many of them are currently playing?sorry, nobody here claimed we were a RB factory, tho I'm glad you focus solely on one RB that went pro 30 years ago. Better not look at a RB from a similar era, in Eddie George... since he did not flop like Mirer. Why do you keep shifting the discussion, to the point where we are comparing a 1975 RB and a dual-threat QB from the 90s?
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The 2 were brought up! Archie was spoke of highly and Rick was trashed so I broke out some numbers to prove a point. Better not bring up Eddie George! Why not?? Watters, Bettis? Let's go... LOL! JUST MESSING!

Actually flop Mirer's numbers are not that bad.

Eddie 9 seasons 12,668 yards 82 TD's
Rick 12 seasons 13,099 yards 50 TD's
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
ND QB's have been in 6 SB's with 17 pro bowls between them. Nots not bad and not many schools can rival that.

Funny that you all like to dog Mirerfor his NFL career and yet not Archie. Rick Mirer ran yes ran for 1,130 yards as an NFL QB while Archie a Rb had only 2,808 yards. Totals.
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Uh, Chief, bud....YOU MADE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ND AND NFL QBs with your quote a couple of pages ago, comparing that to NFL linebackers from OSU....thus that has, rock bottom, ZERO to do with Archie Griffin in the NFL dude...sorry.

Now, back to your point about ND QBs, I sincerely hope you are kidding here, because if you are not, you are plain delusional. Yes, Joe Montana was a great QB, top 10 all-time in the NFL (I don't "rank" them per se, just put them into an elite category). He of course won a slew of those SBs, and Joe T was in two. I named the next 2 in line...Steve Beurlein and Daryle "Mad Bomber" Lamonica...decent QBs, but not elite, or even above average caliber.

So that leaves you with one great QB, and one above average QB that played in 2 SBs. Hell, by that rationale, Oklahoma State is the greatest producer of NFL running backs in the history of the NFL (Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas), Illinois is the greatest producer of LBs in the history of the NFL (Butkus and Nitschke), and yes, San Mateo JC is the greatest producer of coaches in the history of the NFL (John Madden, Bill Walsh)! Pretty sure no one is going to be making these claims any time soon.


Bottom line Chief, ain't no way that 2 players at QB makes ND the greatest producer of NFL QBs. Alabama is CLEARLY better (Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Ken Stabler, Richard Todd), and if you are using 2 players, Oregon (Van Brocklin, Fouts), Purdue (Dawson, Griese), Miami, and a slew of other schools could easily do as well or better.
 
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Your comparisons in this thread are making my head spin.

Quinn was the so-called system QB who you equated to Archie.

Mirer was brought up in a QB factory discussion, who you randomly equated to Archie (despite no one claiming Archie was good in the NFL).

I stated OSU is not an RB factory but point out that George makes just a little more sense (but not much) if you're interested in comparing an ND QB and an OSU RB in terms of college NFL production...

...and now you want to shift to another debate of George vs Bettis/Watters.

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MililaniBuckeye said:
When a bowl game as huge as the Fiesta Bowl pits Ohio State against Notre Dame for only the fifth time in their storied histories--not to mention take a 3-2 lead in the all-time serie--and we have considerably more fans make the trek despite having to travel 5-6 hours longer, yeah I'd say that makes us the bigger fan base.

And what polls are you talking about? www.fatblarneysmoker.com? Links?

We may have had this 'argument" many times before but it hasn't been me that has lost each time. Face it...you're #2, so get used to it.
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Yes you have lost everyone of the fan base discussions and you have even admitted to ND's fan base on this board several times. Be it the Harris poll, USA today ND wins that discussion every time. You actually did not base fan numbers on that games attendance did you? LOL!

And yes that Harris poll probably was an an ND page but it came from the Harris poll page.

Go ahead, just for fun, search most popular college football team on your puter and see what comes up...
 
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Bucklion said:
Uh, Chief, bud....YOU MADE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ND AND NFL QBs with your quote a couple of pages ago, comparing that to NFL linebackers from OSU....thus that has, rock bottom, ZERO to do with Archie Griffin in the NFL dude...sorry.

Now, back to your point about ND QBs, I sincerely hope you are kidding here, because if you are not, you are plain delusional. Yes, Joe Montana was a great QB, top 10 all-time in the NFL (I don't "rank" them per se, just put them into an elite category). He of course won a slew of those SBs, and Joe T was in two. I named the next 2 in line...Steve Beurlein and Daryle "Mad Bomber" Lamonica...decent QBs, but not elite, or even above average caliber.

So that leaves you with one great QB, and one above average QB that played in 2 SBs. Hell, by that rationale, Oklahoma State is the greatest producer of NFL running backs in the history of the NFL (Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas), Illinois is the greatest producer of LBs in the history of the NFL (Butkus and Nitschke), and yes, San Mateo JC is the greatest producer of coaches in the history of the NFL (John Madden, Bill Walsh)! Pretty sure no one is going to be making these claims any time soon.


Bottom line Chief, ain't no way that 2 players at QB makes ND the greatest producer of NFL QBs. Alabama is CLEARLY better (Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Ken Stabler, Richard Todd), and if you are using 2 players, Oregon (Van Brocklin, Fouts), Purdue (Dawson, Griese), Miami, and a slew of other schools could easily do as well or better.
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ALABAMA Todd, Stabler, Starr, Namath 99,907 passing yards 630 TD'S
ND Lomonica, Montana, Beurlein, Theismann 108,957 passing 722 TD'S
HMMM yes one is clearly better and it is not Alabama....
 
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