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NCAA - slowly ruining football (rules changes - merged)

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God I hate the new clock rules. The old clock rules were fine. I think we need MORE plays. I like longer football games. Just because I love football games. I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT AFTER A FOOTBALL GAME, "Wow, that game was too long!" That's what I think about baseball, not football. Just like when they changed the OT rules. Who cares if we have 7 OTs...that's great. More football. Football was great with the old rules. If it ain't broke don't fix it. You know what they need to fix. The championship format. GET A DAMN PLAYOFF ALREADY!
 
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An interesting thing almost occurred in the MSU-Iowa game Saturday.

MSU had a 2nd and about 3 yards on their own 31 yard line, and had to hike the ball with about 1:26 left in the game. Iowa had no time outs. They actually could have taken a knee, hiked it at about 44 seconds, taken another knee, and hiked it on 4th down with about 2 seconds left; being careful to use the full time since after the 4th down play the clock would stop on the change of possession.

But they tried to get the first down, and Ringer was tackled about 1 foot short of the first down with about 1:21 left. The refs immediately stopped the clock for a measurement, and after it was short, they restarted the play clock from 25 after the official stoppage. So they had to hike it at around 56 or 57 seconds, instead of 41 or 42 (which would have allowed them to just take a knee and have it run out).

So they run a QB sneak at 56 seconds and Hoyer fumbled past the first down marker, before he was on the ground. Fortunately, MSU recovered and then took a knee to run out the clock. But they almost gave the ball to Iowa at the MSU 35-yard line, who would have had a chance to win the game with 50 seconds left, or easily could have got a FG that would have tied the game.

It was a tactical error on second down by Dantonio, complicated by the measurement costing his team 15 seconds on the clock, but because they got their own fumble back, it didn't get talked about. And the TV announcers didn't comment on how the measurement cost the team 15 seconds, as it was supposed to under the rules.
 
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BB73;1285673; said:
An interesting thing almost occurred in the MSU-Iowa game Saturday.

MSU had a 2nd and about 3 yards on their own 31 yard line, and had to hike the ball with about 1:26 left in the game. Iowa had no time outs. They actually could have taken a knee, hiked it at about 44 seconds, taken another knee, and hiked it on 4th down with about 2 seconds left; being careful to use the full time since after the 4th down play the clock would stop on the change of possession.

But they tried to get the first down, and Ringer was tackled about 1 foot short of the first down with about 1:21 left. The refs immediately stopped the clock for a measurement, and after it was short, they restarted the play clock from 25 after the official stoppage. So they had to hike it at around 56 or 57 seconds, instead of 41 or 42 (which would have allowed them to just take a knee and have it run out).

So they run a QB sneak at 56 seconds and Hoyer fumbled past the first down marker, before he was on the ground. Fortunately, MSU recovered and then took a knee to run out the clock. But they almost gave the ball to Iowa at the MSU 35-yard line, who would have had a chance to win the game with 50 seconds left, or easily could have got a FG that would have tied the game.

It was a tactical error on second down by Dantonio, complicated by the measurement costing his team 15 seconds on the clock, but because they got their own fumble back, it didn't get talked about. And the TV announcers didn't comment on how the measurement cost the team 15 seconds, as it was supposed to under the rules.
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Byt he way...another TERRIBLE clock rule in both the NFL and college. If an offensive team outside of 2 minutes commits a penalty (false start, holding, illegal formation, etc.) the penalty is assessed and then the game clock and play clock are run.

So a team with a lead, could technically take the ball on their first possesion in the second half and run the entire clock down. They could continue to false start until they run ou the third quarter. They could do the same thing in the 4th quarter until 2 minutes in the 4th.

I understand it goes against the honor of the game, and no coach would do it, but it's ridiculous how the rules committee wants to run the clock every second it can.

If I'm a coach who hates the clock rules, I get an early lead, and just destroy the game by having an o-lineman false start every play until the game is over.
 
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billmac91;1285895; said:
Byt he way...another TERRIBLE clock rule in both the NFL and college. If an offensive team outside of 2 minutes commits a penalty (false start, holding, illegal formation, etc.) the penalty is assessed and then the game clock and play clock are run.

So a team with a lead, could technically take the ball on their first possesion in the second half and run the entire clock down. They could continue to false start until they run ou the third quarter. They could do the same thing in the 4th quarter until 2 minutes in the 4th.

I understand it goes against the honor of the game, and no coach would do it, but it's ridiculous how the rules committee wants to run the clock every second it can.

If I'm a coach who hates the clock rules, I get an early lead, and just destroy the game by having an o-lineman false start every play until the game is over.
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If it's done repeatedly, the refs can use discretion to penalize the team and stop the clock every time. That rule came to light when Bielema had his guys run offisde way early before the kickoffs against Penn State. They could (and should) have penalized Wiscy and put the time back on the clock.

And I don't think a coach would try to do he false start thing repeatedly [smithlabs] unless inside their own 5-yard line [/smithlabs]. But if tOSU had a 1-score lead against TSUN (who was out of timeouts) and a 1st down in their own territory with between 2 and 3 minutes left, I would have no problem with an 'accidental' false start on first down to trade 5 yards for 40 seconds of clock time. One false start and 3 take-a-knees could run the clock from 2:45 down to zero.

The only changes I would make to the existing rules is to always stop the clock when guys go out of bounds, and to always stop the clock after an offensive penalty is accepted by the defense. And I'd get rid of anything that treats the clock differently in the last 2 or last whatever minutes of the half/game. The clock should always have the same guidelines as to whether it should be moving, regardless of the time left.
 
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BB73 said:
An interesting thing almost occurred in the MSU-Iowa game Saturday.

MSU had a 2nd and about 3 yards on their own 31 yard line, and had to hike the ball with about 1:26 left in the game. Iowa had no time outs. They actually could have taken a knee, hiked it at about 44 seconds, taken another knee, and hiked it on 4th down with about 2 seconds left; being careful to use the full time since after the 4th down play the clock would stop on the change of possession.

But they tried to get the first down, and Ringer was tackled about 1 foot short of the first down with about 1:21 left. The refs immediately stopped the clock for a measurement, and after it was short, they restarted the play clock from 25 after the official stoppage. So they had to hike it at around 56 or 57 seconds, instead of 41 or 42 (which would have allowed them to just take a knee and have it run out).

So they run a QB sneak at 56 seconds and Hoyer fumbled past the first down marker, before he was on the ground. Fortunately, MSU recovered and then took a knee to run out the clock. But they almost gave the ball to Iowa at the MSU 35-yard line, who would have had a chance to win the game with 50 seconds left, or easily could have got a FG that would have tied the game.

It was a tactical error on second down by Dantonio, complicated by the measurement costing his team 15 seconds on the clock, but because they got their own fumble back, it didn't get talked about. And the TV announcers didn't comment on how the measurement cost the team 15 seconds, as it was supposed to under the rules.
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i was calling for the use of the "measurement timeout" by osu when i was in madison during the final drive. everyone thought i was on crack...
 
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Eye black messages, wedge blocks out

INDIANAPOLIS -- Eye black with messages and wedge blocks will be banned from college football this fall, and taunting in the field of play will start costing teams points in 2011.
On Thursday, the NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel approved the three rules changes.
The eye black trend grew in popularity because of Heisman Trophy winners Reggie Bush and Tim Tebow.
Bush wrote "619" on his eye-black patches, in reference to the area code for his hometown near San Diego, and Tebow cited Bible passages, such as "John 3:16."
One year after the NFL banned wedge blocking on kickoffs because of safety concerns, the NCAA followed the lead. The new rule says that when the team receiving a kickoff has more than two players standing within two yards of one another, shoulder to shoulder, it will be assessed a 15-yard penalty -- even if there is no contact between the teams.
The reason: NCAA studies have shown that 20 percent of all injuries occurring on kickoffs result in concussions.
"Everybody is looking to make sure we have a safe environment for the players," said Grant Teaff, executive director of the American Football Coaches Association. "On kickoffs, you have a lot of steam on both sides and you usually have what is called a 'wedge buster.' This will eliminate some of that."
The hope is it will reduce concussions, an issue that has received greater attention in the past year.
The NCAA deemed it so important that it made a rare rules change in an off-year of the normal two-year process.
But it's the taunting rule that likely will create the biggest buzz.
Currently, players who are penalized for taunting on their way to the end zone draw a 15-yard penalty on the extra point attempt, 2-point conversion attempt or the ensuing kickoff.
Beginning in 2011, live-ball penalties will be assessed from the spot of the foul and eliminate the score. Examples include players finishing touchdown runs by high-stepping into the end zone or pointing the ball toward an opponent.
Celebration penalties following a score will continue to be assessed on conversion attempts or the ensuing kickoff.
"I think one of the reasons it's been looked at is that when a penalty occurs on the field, it's normally taken from the spot," Teaff said. "This was the only occurrence that it wasn't taken from the spot, so they wanted to change that."
Taunting has caused an annual debate among college football players, coaches and fans, and last season's big controversy stemmed from Georgia receiver A.J. Green receiving a 15-year personal foul penalty after he caught a go-ahead touchdown pass late in a game against LSU.
The yardage from the penalty was assessed on the kickoff and helped LSU get into position to drive for the winning score. Southeastern Conference officials said later that there was no video evidence to support the flag on Green.

Entire article: NCAA bans eye black with messages, wedge blocks on kickoffs, toughens taunting penalty for 2011 - ESPN
 
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I was watching College Football Live last night and they had the officiating coordinator (or whatever his title is) on to discuss the new taunting rules. They were showing replays from this past season, and I was appalled by the types of plays he said would be called back.

That rule will be gone the first time it costs one of the big boys some money.
 
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Beginning in 2011, live-ball penalties will be assessed from the spot of the foul and eliminate the score. Examples include players finishing touchdown runs by high-stepping into the end zone or pointing the ball toward an opponent.
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Holy Mother of God!! Some ref will be torn apart alive this year when he calls back the winning score. :shake:

And the Hurricanes will have to give up football.
 
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Gatorubet;1691321; said:
Holy Mother of God!! Some ref will be torn apart alive this year when he calls back the winning score. :shake:

And the Hurricanes will have to give up football.
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Actually, the year after that. For some reason they have spared us of this stupidity this year and plan to implement that rule beginning in the 2011 season. The other rules mentioned take effect this year.
 
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