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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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Dennis Dodd weighs in on the USC situation.

CBS

Basketball troubles could pour over to USC's gridiron

Here is a vision of USC football's post-apocalyptic nuclear winter:

The loss of 15 scholarships over three years, a postseason ban, forfeits including a Pac-10 title and ... screeeech. Hold it right there.

All of that is almost acceptable if the glass bowl remains in the trophy case at the end of the Reggie Bush case. If you're Trojan football staring down the NCAA's semi-automatic at this point, they're almost flesh wounds. This is USC. It can recover from scholarship losses in a relatively short period of time. Forfeits are just paper penalties.

The next step is unfathomable.

Yes, it's time to start thinking about the worst. The investigation into USC football (and basketball) took another ugly turn this week when Yahoo! Sports reported hoops coach Tim Floyd might have greased the palm of an O.J. Mayo runner.

The headlines scream Floyd. The drumbeats are foreshadowing disaster for the school's franchise sport. The NCAA recently lumped both cases together, making Troy a one-stop shop for the infractions committee. So when you think Floyd, think football, too.

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The NCAA already has put one of its toughest investigators, a bulldog named Rich Johanningmeier, on the USC cases. Johanningmeier started in 1986, has been sued (in the messy Alabama case) and, at least in some corners, is feared.

"Some of those guys if they find a locked door, they just go on home," said a coach whose program came close to the death penalty in a case headed by Johanningmeier. "This guy goes to the next door."

The case has the smell of lack of institutional control. That's an NCAA violation that is both major and cryptic. The association can go different directions in dropping the hammer. The basketball program seemed doomed long ago. Floyd could be a dead man walking.

USC knew exactly what it was doing when it got in bed with Mayo and his entourage.

The vibe coming from the football side has long been that Bush was a rogue agent, acting on his own by taking cash, a house for his parents and bad advice from would-be agents.

It's getting to the point where it might not matter whether coaches knew of Bush's cash grab. The NCAA might determine USC should have known, that it had to keep better tabs on one of your best players. Remember when Dwayne Jarrett was getting sweetheart deal on his rent while living with Matt Leinart?

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BB73;1466164; said:
It's true, they don't even have 7 Heisman Trophies. I know this because it's ND week on College Football Live, and ESPN has twice mentioned and showed on a TV graphic that Notre Dame is tied with Ohio State with 7 Heisman Trophies.

[sarcasm] If USC had 7, I'm sure ESPN would know. [/sarcasm]
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"Notre Dame Week"
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I don't think that this is going to go away this time. This manure stew will be allowed to mellow until a week or two prior to the Ohio State USC game, then the press will turn on the pressure. Expect it to get very ugly for USC and for those Clarett issues to be dragged back out of the swamp too.
 
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with the feds and irs involved the ncaa might not have a choice but to take serious action. i liken their situation to playing chicken while riding a bike with an abrams main battle tank. fact is the irs nor the feds could give 2 shits about the ncaa, their investigation or what actions they take. the ncaa on the other hand have to care a whole heck of a lot what the feds and irs not only find but what action they take.

think about it, if the ncaa comes back and says, "found nothing, no action taken" and the irs or feds start hauling people away to fed pen... they might as well just close up shop and take the rest of their careers off. no institution will take the ncaa seriously anymore.

its very possible the ncaa will pull some serious cya in this one depending on how serious the feds and irs are about their respective investigations. if it looks like either group is acting like they have a solid case. every single infraction no matter how small the ncaa actually finds will be made bigger than they really are. its completely plausible that the ncaa could levy the death penalty without what would normally be considered sufficient evidence for fear of looking inept compared to the other organizations involved.

imo all of this hinges on the fbi and irs. if they loose interest or walk away entirely this will all blow over. however, if they keep pushing hard and potentially start tossing around charges... usc is fucked. hard. very... very hard. no reach around.
 
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I have been over to the USC board a few times looking for "insight". Last time I checked the first thread that addressed the issue was about 20th down the list. It was asking about whether they might lose scholarships. The originator was assured there was no reason to worry. All the recent articles are written by jealous USC haters.

These folks do not have their heads in the sand.

Whatever lies beneath the sand - that is what their heads are in.
 
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Oh8ch;1468296; said:
I have been over to the USC board a few times looking for "insight". Last time I checked the first thread that addressed the issue was about 20th down the list. It was asking about whether they might lose scholarships. The originator was assured there was no reason to worry. All the recent articles are written by jealous USC haters.

These folks do not have their heads in the sand.

Whatever lies beneath the sand - that is what their heads are in.
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I was reading wearesc as well and I'd have to agree. They believe there is nothing at all going to happen. By the time I closed the browser I felt like nothing at all was ever going to happen to them. Maybe their right?

There is a Beanie thread over there where a poster is trying to make his case that Tressel is a cheat by linking the ESPN story about the YSU and Clarett issue. He does it pretty well by bolding and changing font colors of all the conjecture and he-said/she-said stuff while ignoring the parts where it says JT was found to not have known, blah-bah, rehash, etc.

I dont know enough about the allegations of the current situation, but they are extremely confident about it.
 
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Oh8ch;1468296; said:
The originator was assured there was no reason to worry. All the recent articles are written by jealous USC haters.

These folks do not have their heads in the sand.

Whatever lies beneath the sand - that is what their heads are in.
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I agree. It seems to me that the USC boards are full of "No story here" type responses to whether USC will face any penalties and/or engaged in conduct contrary to the rules. Given how the NCAA hasn't done much notwithstanding the mountain of evidence/allegations in the past few years, I can't say I blame them for having that attitude. I've said it all along--the NCAA should be incredibly worried about the USC situation, because it could possibly foster the belief that schools can break the rules in any way that they want, yet they'll be in the clear if they simply deny everything.
 
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Why I'm not defending the idiots over on those boards can you really blame them because the Reggie Bush story has been out there for how many years and what as the NCAA done besides nothing. Maybe things will change now since basketball is also involved. The NCAA might not want to lose their cash cow of West Coast football.
 
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again, these words are factually on tape....I just don't see how USC fans can condone this:

Lloyd: I get with Reggie when he took money from other people, that's going to get ugly. Somebody doesn't get him, it's going to get ugly if they can prove it.
LaMar: It's hard to prove they gave cash, it's hard to prove. You can't prove cash. Somebody give somebody cash, because I can say right now you gave me something, no you didn't. I got cash, you can't prove nothing.


Lloyd: Just because it's cash, don't mean you can't prove it. I'll give you an example. Say when we bought the car, I gave you the $12,000, right, you go give it to Reggie when he bought his car and then look at my bank account right then. How would I know the $12,000 that came out my bank account was what he put down on his car. You see, that's how you can prove it, circumstantial evidence.


LaMar: Well, that was so long ago, you must have kept a receipt or something.


Lloyd: No, I went to the bank, and the bank always keep records. When I went to the bank and pulled out the $12,000 ? like your bank, if you go pull out money, it never go anywhere. You pulled out $12,000 this day.


LaMar: When did Reggie say he'll pay you the $12,000 back?


Lloyd: I never talked to him about it. I wasn't even looking for it back. I just wanted him to come to the company. I told him everything we did for you, because right now it's about two hundred grand. He can keep that or give it to you. If we get Reggie, he can keep that $200,000 we spent over the year and a half, whatever, see what I'm saying? He can just say, 'Okay pay that back to my dad' or he can give it to us, and we'll give it to you.


LaMar: I'm not going to say that I talked to my wife about this, because if I do, she's [censored]ed.


Lloyd: She [censored]ed off with me already. But she shouldn't be mad at me.


LaMar: She's mad at everybody. She's mad at the whole situation.

Lloyd: I wish I never got involved, too. The same way you're feeling, I told Maiesha (former girlfriend) today, I wish I had never got involved in this (expletive). I thought it was going to be good, and it should have been good. LaMar: It might still be good, but you see what I'm saying, and I'm going to say this and then I'm just going to leave it, if we're friends and it doesn't go out there like the way it should be, it just should be left alone. Everybody get together, pay the money back that was out and let it be that, and everybody stay friends and keep it moving because we don't need to be trying ? all black folks always trying to go do something against somebody because something didn't happen for them. You can't do that. The credibility is going to be lost a little bit, my credibility, your credibility, everybody's credibility is going to be lost a little bit. But when we get together with so-called friends, see that's when the motive of getting together and turning into friends come in, you know what I'm saying. Because if it was vice-a-versa, I'd say, 'Look man, whenever you get a chance, give me my $22,000 back or whatever, $30,000 or whatever it is, and we'll just clean the slate.' Because like I said before, the decision is if Reggie said you all can come out and do your presentation, I got no problem with it. If that's what he wants, I'm going to call him tonight and find out that's what he says.
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And Troy missed spring football and several games over $500.....Reggie's dad is on tape talking about paid cars and not telling Reggie's biological mom about all of the freebies b/c she'll be [censored]ed...and we're talking about over $200,000 in gifts to Reggie's parents and at least a car for Reggie.....

something seems wrong here, I just don't know what? Maybe someone else can explain it.
 
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Oh8ch said:
I have been over to the USC board a few times looking for "insight". Last time I checked the first thread that addressed the issue was about 20th down the list. It was asking about whether they might lose scholarships. The originator was assured there was no reason to worry. All the recent articles are written by jealous USC haters.

These folks do not have their heads in the sand.

Whatever lies beneath the sand - that is what their heads are in.
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I dunno. I'm not really expecting anything to happen either. Deep down......are you?
 
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