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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

USC stays silent about NCAA investigation

The university has not addressed allegations of improper benefits for Reggie Bush or O.J. Mayo, or questioned key accusers.

By Paul Pringle
May 31, 2009

Weeks have dragged into months, and months into years, since USC was rocked by allegations that star football player Reggie Bush broke rules by accepting cash, a car and free housing from two businessmen who hoped to profit from him after he turned professional.
Now, the still-unresolved case has become a clinic in the limits to self-policing in college sports. The lesson that has taken on greater significance with more recent accusations against Trojans basketball Coach Tim Floyd and his former marquee player, O.J. Mayo, which also involve purported payments and gifts.
USC finds its reputation on the line, not just as a sports powerhouse but as an institution whose academic achievements have come to eclipse its storied athletic traditions under the leadership of President Steven Sample.
And yet Sample and others at USC have maintained an enduring silence on the allegations and have chosen not to directly interview some of the key accusers.
The governing body of major college sports, the NCAA, has broadened its investigation to determine whether USC lost "institutional control" over its athletics program. It is examining whether USC administrators knew of any transgressions, or should have known by being vigilant.
The punishment could be severe -- a reduction in sports scholarships, the voiding of past victories and championships, and a ban on lucrative television appearances and postseason play.
The NCAA moves notoriously slowly, but it expects swift action by schools that may have reason to suspect violations, experts say. Colleges routinely report allegations to the association, and are free to conduct their own investigations and mete out punishment to staffers and student athletes without waiting for the NCAA.
But with USC there are scant outward signs of an intense internal probe.
Lloyd Lake, one of the would-be sports marketers who brought allegations against Bush, has not spoken directly with anyone from USC, according to his attorney, Brian Watkins.
The lawyer said the school did not try to make contact with his client until last fall, more than two years after the accusations became public and 11 months after NCAA investigators interviewed him. A letter to Watkins from a university attorney, a copy of which has been obtained by The Times, supports that claim.
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J. Brent Clark, a one-time NCAA investigator who practices law in Oklahoma, agreed, but said he was not surprised that the USC inquiry has taken so long.
"The NCAA is under no real sense of urgency to wrap this up, even though justice delayed is justice denied," Clark said. "The NCAA is a de-facto cartel, and its product is big-time college football. USC is a major component of that. The NCAA doesn't want USC to be off television or ineligible for bowls."
Nevertheless, if USC suspects that any violations have occurred, it would be wise to jump on them, and not take a back seat to the NCAA. "Self-investigation and self-imposition of penalties is really the salvation of USC," Clark said. "Otherwise, it's going to be much worse for them."

Entire article: USC stays silent about NCAA investigation - Los Angeles Times
 
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ScriptOhio;1475580; said:
...an institution whose academic achievements have come to eclipse its storied athletic traditions under the leadership of President Steven Sample...

Neglecting for the moment the hyperbole of the preceding statement: I wonder if there are signs at USC that say "You're in Sample's University"?
 
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What in USC's world is going to help them if they start asking questions internally?

USC has nothing to gain there. I'm sure they wont' refuse the NCAA if they come calling, but I seriously doubt that's going to happen for their football team.

OJ Mayo may get them in trouble though.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1475687; said:
What in USC's world is going to help them if they start asking questions internally?

USC has nothing to gain there. I'm sure they wont' refuse the NCAA if they come calling, but I seriously doubt that's going to happen for their football team.

OJ Mayo may get them in trouble though.

one of the main reasons osu did not get slapped harder than they did was becauase of how proactive they were during the NCAA issues. USC is the polar opposite. That is why.
 
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tsteele316;1475728; said:
one of the main reasons osu did not get slapped harder than they did was becauase of how proactive they were during the NCAA issues. USC is the polar opposite. That is why.

Completely different situations though.

For the Ohio State violations, people were talking.

There has been very little talk from the direct player(s) in the USC controversies....If no one talks, USC (and Bush and Mayo et al) will walk.

I'm not saying USC is hushing people on purpose, I am saying that perhaps they aren't pursuing it because there is a value in not making more noise than necessary.
 
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USC's Carroll says NCAA investigation is old news

Appearing at a booster event Monday in Pasadena, Pete Carroll was asked about a Los Angeles Times story published Sunday examining USC's policies concerning an NCAA investigation into allegations against the Trojans' football and men's basketball programs.
The story said USC had not directly interviewed at least two of its main accusers, and pointed out that school personnel were under instructions not to talk publicly about issues connected to the investigation.
Said Carroll: "We did everything three years ago and we haven't been asked anything to update the situation. The NCAA hasn't asked a question or revisited the matter. It's all been done."
Carroll and basketball Coach Tim Floyd were asked where the investigation had become an issue in recruiting.
Floyd, who has lost at least three top recruits in the last month or so, did not respond to the question. Carroll said opposing recruiters are, "saying we're going to be ineligible for bowl games and trying to cause concerns in the parents. We try to be honest with them and tell them what we know."
He added that other teams "are always trying to find ways to get you."

Entire article: USC's Carroll says NCAA investigation is old news | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times
 
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ScriptOhio;1477739; said:
Said Carroll: "We did everything three years ago and we haven't been asked anything to update the situation. The NCAA hasn't asked a question or revisited the matter. It's all been done."

if thats even remotely accurate it certainly puts the situation into perspective. or at least gives a glimpse of the ncaa's perspective of the situation.

the ncaa really is giving the un a run on the least relevant organization in human history. if they end up writing a very stern letter to usc condemning their actions as punishment i may actually die of suffocation brought on by a massive and uncontrollable fit of laughter.
 
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martinss01;1481186; said:
if thats even remotely accurate it certainly puts the situation into perspective. or at least gives a glimpse of the ncaa's perspective of the situation.
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I think it does give a glimpse to what the NCAA's perspective on the situation is; but I also think it sheds light on what USC's perspective is also. With all of the information that has come out over the last 3 years, why hasn't USC asked more questions and looked for more answers? The Reggie Bush information that is out there should definitely raise a few questions for the institution you would think. But I guess the less they know, the more ignorant they can claim to be in the situation if the NCAA does come calling.
 
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osubartender23;1481337; said:
I think it does give a glimpse to what the NCAA's perspective on the situation is; but I also think it sheds light on what USC's perspective is also. With all of the information that has come out over the last 3 years, why hasn't USC asked more questions and looked for more answers?

what incentive is there? if they start looking around they might find something new. that certainly isn't in their best interst because its pretty clear the ncaa isn't looking. why waste time and money on something that very literally has blown over?

The Reggie Bush information that is out there should definitely raise a few questions for the institution you would think. But I guess the less they know, the more ignorant they can claim to be in the situation if the NCAA does come calling.

it should. but if law enforcement isn't going to ask me why im sneaking out of a bank at 4am with alarms going off holding big bags o cash... why should i tell them?

as far as usc is concerned, looking into this any deeper gains them nothing. they already have what they want. the ncaa is going to simply go away. how is investigating further going to produce a better outcome than that?
 
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Reported today that Alabama had to forfeit wins over the 2005, 2006 and 2007 seasons because 5 players (I believe) were ruled ineligible for those seasons. Something to do with improperly receiving textbooks from other students if I heard right.

Those guys got some text books. Reggie Bush's parents got a house.

Are you fucking kidding me?
 
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martinss01;1481414; said:
what incentive is there? if they start looking around they might find something new. that certainly isn't in their best interst because its pretty clear the ncaa isn't looking. why waste time and money on something that very literally has blown over?

This hits the nail on the head. If I were SC there would be no way in heck that I would look under any rocks. The difference between SC and tOSU is that we've gone through the ringer with the MoC deal a few years ago. During which, a lot of rocks were turned with the thought that something would be found. One of the benefits of those rocks being turned is that in some ways it's a fresh start. tOSU already exposed the athletic dept to anything that may be there... so, at that point... it's easy to take a very conservative approach to violations... ANYTHING that is found can be self-reported before it becomes something that needs to be put under a rock...

It's not like SC is in that kind of situation... they report something and all of a sudden it opens up the potential for more rocks to be turned.


I hate that this is all part of the game that we all love so much... but it is. Just the way it is always going to be until there is a major overhaul of how recruitment and scholarships are handled. But be that as it may, I would far rather be in a situation of being able to look the NCAA in the eyes and say, "yeah, that's all there is... go look for yourself" and not have any fear in doing so.

Keep playing the game the way I think many of us assume they are... and mark my word, something will eventually come out. Something will come down on them like a ton of bricks that will force the ncaa's hand. Personally, I'd hate the feeling of looking at my program and just wondering when the house of cards will come down.

Just my $.02
 
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ysubuck;1481431; said:
Reported today that Alabama had to forfeit wins over the 2005, 2006 and 2007 seasons because 5 players (I believe) were ruled ineligible for those seasons. Something to do with improperly receiving textbooks from other students if I heard right.

Those guys got some text books. Reggie Bush's parents got a house.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Because the house was only worth a mere $300K (IIRC), but a college education is priceless.

You see, the text books were actually worth more than the trivial little house (and car, and monthly stipends) that the Bushes received, therefore USC should not be punished for what they did as it is no where near as severe as what had happened at Bama.:biggrin:
 
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