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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

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BuckTwenty;1465892; said:
You can tell me that the NCAA will be sympathetic to USC because of ESPN and "hush money", but the NCAA has proved to not be so sympathetic in the recent past with regards to lack of institutional control and I tend to think that trend will continue if USC is found guilty.
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It usually takes evidence like a Fedex full of money for the NCAA to be moved to such actions. Especially for a top level program. OSU basketball was not a top level program when the sanctions came down. FSU football, right now, is not a top level program. USC is the poster boy for NCAA football.
 
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These payments could well take USC from the 'failure to monitor' charge into the 'lack of institutional control' area. They were able to attempt pleading ignorance of the Leinart/Jarrett rent situation and the Bush's parents' housing thing, although multiple occurrences of such things seemed to qualify them for 'failure to monitor'. But having a coach hand over payments is a while new ballgame.

It's believable to me that Floyd authorized payments to Mayo, but it seems stupid to have handled the payments himself. If you're going to pay a guy, I guess you have to decide whether it's better to have someone else do it so you aren't directly involved, or do it yourself so there are less people involved.

ESPN News just mentinoned the story, saying that coach Tin Floyd may be in violation of NCAA rules. They took credit for ESPN's Outside the Lines' reporting last year that $30,000 in extra cash and benefits was funneled to Mayo, and then said that Yahoo Sports is saying that Floyd gave $1k in cash. Then mentioned that there's an ongoing 3-year investigation into USC football and basketball. It was less than 1 minute.
 
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BUCKYLE;1465783; said:
Where was the "caution" in 2003? :lol:
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OCBucksFan;1465792; said:
Well, I understand that, and I don't want to dig up that horse that was beaten to death years ago, but ESPN has been known to jump the gun about a schools violations once or twice in the past.
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A few things,

For better or worse, depending on your point of view, the Maurice Clarett fiasco prompted ESPN to staff an Ombudsman position with outside hires that have no previous experience with ESPN and for periods not longer than one year, and there has been a greater emphasis put on clearly identifying news from editorial across all their media.

Another reason the USC story will not blow-up like the Ohio State story did is that there is no Maurice Clarett figure to exploit. I'm sure if Jarrett, Bush, or Mayo were terminally stupid and misguided by their 'handlers,' having seen their pro careers derailed and with nothing left to lose, they'd be singing like canaries, if not fabricating pieces of the story entirely to shift the blame onto the people they felt ruined their careers.

Lastly, the OSU story became a bigger deal than it ever should have been because of Andy Geiger. He got into a pissing contest with a major media outlet and had his ass handed to him. Geiger did a lot of great things for OSU and made a lot of brilliant hires that will reap benefits for decades to come, but he was more businessman than politician, and it bit him in the ass in the end. To this point, I haven't seen daily press briefings with the USC AD doing his best Iraq Information Minister deflection routine.

To me, the story took on a life of its own because of the combination and timing of the O'Brien and Clarett stories with the fact that Geiger didn't project an easily likeable image, tending to err towards being self-righteous.

It sucked to go through, and I know my opinion on the issue isn't the popular sentiment around here, but I said it before and I'll say it again: I don't give a shit whether or not ESPN or SI or CBS SportsLine or whoever the fuck reports about Ohio State sudent-athletes' off-the-field behavior. I'm more concerned when OSU student-athletes continue to put themselves in positions to have their behavior made a story. Nobody would have ever read a single article about Troy Smith taking money from a booster if, you know, he hadn't actually admitted to taking money from a booster.
 
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They took credit for ESPN's Outside the Lines' reporting last year that $30,000 in extra cash and benefits was funneled to Mayo, and then said that Yahoo Sports is saying that Floyd gave $1k in cash.
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:lol: Yes, ESPN has clearly been ahead of Yahoo Sports on this topic.
 
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Dryden;1466022; said:
A few things,

For better or worse, depending on your point of view, the Maurice Clarett fiasco prompted ESPN to staff an Ombudsman position with outside hires that have no previous experience with ESPN and for periods not longer than one year, and there has been a greater emphasis put on clearly identifying news from editorial across all their media.

Another reason the USC story will not blow-up like the Ohio State story did is that there is no Maurice Clarett figure to exploit. I'm sure if Jarrett, Bush, or Mayo were terminally stupid and misguided by their 'handlers,' having seen their pro careers derailed and with nothing left to lose, they'd be singing like canaries, if not fabricating pieces of the story entirely to shift the blame onto the people they felt ruined their careers.

Lastly, the OSU story became a bigger deal than it ever should have been because of Andy Geiger. He got into a [censored]ing contest with a major media outlet and had his ass handed to him. Geiger did a lot of great things for OSU and made a lot of brilliant hires that will reap benefits for decades to come, but he was more businessman than politician, and it bit him in the ass in the end. To this point, I haven't seen daily press briefings with the USC AD doing his best Iraq Information Minister deflection routine.

To me, the story took on a life of its own because of the combination and timing of the O'Brien and Clarett stories with the fact that Geiger didn't project an easily likeable image, tending to err towards being self-righteous.

It sucked to go through, and I know my opinion on the issue isn't the popular sentiment around here, but I said it before and I'll say it again: I don't give a [censored] whether or not ESPN or SI or CBS SportsLine or whoever the [censored] reports about Ohio State sudent-athletes' off-the-field behavior. I'm more concerned when OSU student-athletes continue to put themselves in positions to have their behavior made a story. Nobody would have ever read a single article about Troy Smith taking money from a booster if, you know, he hadn't actually admitted to taking money from a booster.
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I think there is a bigger potential story in the network of confidentiality agreements tied up by Reggie Bush. There appears to be a pattern of deceit that calls into question the NCAA investigation process. If they fail to get this one right, in my opinion, I can't see why anyone would respect any finding they make.
 
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Steve19;1466047; said:
I think there is a bigger potential story in the network of confidentiality agreements tied up by Reggie Bush. There appears to be a pattern of deceit that calls into question the NCAA investigation process. If they fail to get this one right, in my opinion, I can't see why anyone would respect any finding they make.
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Problem is that there isn't anything the NCAA can really do. The NCAA is just an organization of representitives for colleges and university to promote fair play, safety, and uniformity of rules. They're not the sports police. They don't have subpoena power. The fact is the NCAA is toothless and can't do squat until a whole network of disgruntled players, coaches, stiffed car dealers, real estate investors and whistle-blowing secretaries to wealthy boosters all start singing in unison.

Whatever the USC investigation process reveals, or fails to reveal, I don't see how this changes peoples' perception of the NCAA as a governing sports body.

It is just "amateur" competition engaged by college students, after all. Why so serious? *nudge nudge, wink wink*
 
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MaliBuckeye;1466126; said:
Well, we know one thing...

The NoClueAtAll sure showed the University of Southern Alabama who was boss.

Whew... I'm sure glad we're talking about football and basketball rather than a high profile and revenue generating sport like men's tennis.
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You're forgetting that USC is a tiny school, with very little achievements when it comes to college athletics, not the huge tennis powerhouse that is So. Alabama.
 
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considering that they just let the largest academic scandal in the history of the NCAA (FSU's purposely sanctioned cheating to keep 50+ athletes eligible in multiple sports) go virtually unpunished then I don't see any reason to have faith in the NCAA.

For the record, FSU simply got punished by having to vacate games that ineligible players participated - this is pretty much SOP -- they still have not been punished for HOW those players became ineligible (cheating)
 
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TokenGator;1466140; said:
one thing I do find interesting is that the IRS is involved. I wonder to what capacity? That is some serious firepower for the NCAA and will definitely get people to talk that normally wouldn't
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Do you mean the same IRS that only collects its money from politicians when they're getting vetted by the Obama administration? That IRS?

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OCBucksFan;1466128; said:
You're forgetting that USC is a tiny school, with very little achievements when it comes to college athletics, not the huge tennis powerhouse that is So. Alabama.
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It's true, they don't even have 7 Heisman Trophies. I know this because it's ND week on College Football Live, and ESPN has twice mentioned and showed on a TV graphic that Notre Dame is tied with Ohio State with 7 Heisman Trophies.

[sarcasm] If USC had 7, I'm sure ESPN would know. [/sarcasm]
 
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