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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

Dryden;1466051; said:
Problem is that there isn't anything the NCAA can really do. The NCAA is just an organization of representitives for colleges and university to promote fair play, safety, and uniformity of rules. They're not the sports police. They don't have subpoena power. The fact is the NCAA is toothless and can't do squat until a whole network of disgruntled players, coaches, stiffed car dealers, real estate investors and whistle-blowing secretaries to wealthy boosters all start singing in unison.

It's not a question of what they can do, but rather what they will do. They can stomp USC's athletic program into virtual non-existance if they so wanted, ala SMU of the '80s. But, will they choose to do so to college football's premier media darling?
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1466168; said:
It's not a question of what they can do, but rather what they will do. They can stomp USC's athletic program into virtual non-existance if they so wanted, ala SMU of the '80s. But, will they choose to do so to college football's premier media darling?


Nope. If they didn't do it to Miami after the 80's and 90's, or won't do it to Oklahoma (pick an infraction), there's nothing headed U$C's way.
 
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TokenGator;1466140; said:
one thing I do find interesting is that the IRS is involved. I wonder to what capacity? That is some serious firepower for the NCAA and will definitely get people to talk that normally wouldn't

The IRS could have entered the picture any number of ways (e.g., whistle blower complaint, invitation by Justice, etc.). IRS has the power to issue a summons (including a 3rd party summons) for people or entities to produce records, even if the matter has not yet risen to a criminal matter, in order to determine if money did in fact change hands and if the money received was reported as income or was a proper business expense deduction. IRS, however, is prohibited from sharing any information it gathers in this matter with the NCAA.
 
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MaliBuckeye;1466189; said:
Nope. If they didn't do it to Miami after the 80's and 90's, or won't do it to Oklahoma (pick an infraction), there's nothing headed U's way.
Michigan got by with little more than a slap on the wrist after two investigations. Two years later, Ed Martin was caught by the FBI in a gambling ring, and then the truth & harsh penalties came down on them for the Fab Five, Bullock, Traylor.

The NCAA didn't punish UM for Woodson's illegal benefits, despite receiving them before his 97 Heisman & NC season began.
David Price said:
Charles Woodson of University of Michigan received benefits from an agent. That all became known publicly sometime after he had left the institution. We had no information that there was any institutional knowledge; therefore, we did not take any action against the institution or even bring charges.
Between the rampant booster problems across the country and the half-hypocritical, half-powerless body that is the NCAA, it's tough to feel much of anything anymore. I'd liken it to steroid use. It's embarrassing and fodder for rivals when you are caught, but it's too widespread to take any type of moral high ground on the subject.
LightningRod;1466191; said:
The IRS could have entered the picture any number of ways (e.g., whistle blower complaint, invitation by Justice, etc.). IRS has the power to issue a summons (including a 3rd party summons) for people or entities to produce records, even if the matter has not yet risen to a criminal matter, in order to determine if money did in fact change hands and if the money received was reported as income or was a proper business expense deduction. IRS, however, is prohibited from sharing any information it gathers in this matter with the NCAA.
Interesting. The IRS was working with the FBI when they busted Ed Martin's gambling ring presence in 99.
 
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Michigan got by with little more than a slap on the wrist after two investigations. Two years later, Ed Martin was caught by the FBI in a gambling ring, and then the truth & harsh penalties came down on them for the Fab Five, Bullock, Traylor.

The NCAA didn't punish UM for Woodson's illegal benefits, despite receiving them before his 97 Heisman & NC season began.Between the rampant booster problems across the country and the half-hypocritical, half-powerless body that is the NCAA, it's tough to feel much of anything anymore. I'd liken it to steroid use. It's embarrassing and fodder for rivals when you are caught, but it's too widespread to take any type of moral high ground on the subject.Interesting. The IRS was working with the FBI when they busted Ed Martin's gambling ring presence in 99.
lets be frank, this is not new. this stuff has been around well im not sure how long but as long as my old man has followed the stuff.
 
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jwinslow;1466213; said:
Interesting. The IRS was working with the FBI when they busted Ed Martin's gambling ring presence in 99.

IRS can work with and share information with the FBI or other law enforcement agency in a criminal investigation. IRS however cannot share tax return information with any outside person or entity other than a relevant law enforcement agency unless the taxpayer authorizes the release of the information.

In the Woodson matter the 4 year statute of limitations had expired when the agents payments came to light. The NCAA would have had to prove in that case that people inside UM took steps to conceal such information in order to hold the institution accountable.
 
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LitlBuck;1466663; said:
A $1000 to a kid like Mayo it is quite a bit of money when you don't have much. I am not saying that there probably wasn't more money given to him but this was during the "recruiting" process.

With these allegations and the Bush ones still hanging out there if the NCAA wants to show people that they have a spine, then USC will probably end up with the death penalty but does the NCAA really want to hurt USC sports which brings in so much money.

O.J. likely saw very little of the $1000. That money is used to persuade "handlers". The "handlers" influence the kids' decesion.

I'm still shocked the audio tape of Reggie Bush's father negotiating for luxury items while Reggie is at USC isn't a bigger story......


"We were happy for him, but I knew at that time it wasn't the same," said Lake, who co-founded New Era Sports along with San Diego businessman Michael Michaels in late 2004. "I knew everything was unraveling, but I still wanted to see Reggie win, him being from San Diego and all that. I never knew at the time that we would be in the position that we are right now. I thought anybody with common sense would say, 'I'm wrong, I did this, let me make it right,' and shake hands and go on our separate ways. But it didn't happen like that."
Michaels, meanwhile, also had to feel betrayed as Bush accepted the Heisman.
More than a year earlier, in October of 2004, Lake and LaMar Griffin had approached Michaels, a friend of Lake's and a business development officer for the Sycuan Indian Tribe, in the tribe's luxury suite in Qualcomm Stadium after a San Diego Chargers football game. It was suggested to Michaels that he, Lake and Griffin could be partners in a sports and entertainment agency, along with the Sycuan Tribe.
While Lake and Michaels had no known history as agents prior to being with Reggie and starting New Era, the opportunity seemed too good to pass on. Since Michaels had money available, he became the financial cornerstone of the agency. Michaels immediately paid off $28,000 in debt for Bush's parents so they could concentrate on helping the fledging agency sprout wings and fly.
New Era wouldn't stay in the air for long.
Larry Pierce, who played high school football with Bush at Helix High in Le Mesa, California, intended to watch the Heisman presentation with Lake. Pierce considered Bush a good friend, and Bush had actually introduced Pierce to Lake at a USC football game months earlier. Pierce attended all but one of the Trojans' home game in 2005 as Reggie left Pierce's name on the team's pass list for recruits – even though Pierce had played college baseball for two years and had been recently hired at the San Diego Gas & Electric Company – and Larry often mingled with Bush in the locker room following games.
By hanging with Lake and Bush, Pierce quickly learned of the wide array of benefits that Lake had provided Reggie and his family. "I know there was money involved," Pierce said. "I never knew the total amounts. But I knew it was money given to help (him) out personally – things he needed personally. Like any struggling kid in college, you might need some money to go buy a couple things here and there."
As he stepped forward to accept the Heisman Trophy, Reggie Bush knew he didn't meet the criteria on the Heisman ballot that reads any winner of the award "must be in compliance with the bylaws defining an NCAA student-athlete." In fact, Reggie knew he was probably the highest-paid amateur in college football in 2005. As Lloyd Lake sat and watched the charade, his blood pressure began to rise. The mixed signals Bush and his family were sending Lake regarding their business agreement rang loud and clear through the hills and canyons surrounding his four-bedroom home in El Cajon.
Authors' Note:
Believing it was the best way to protect his financial investment, Lloyd Lake, at the urging of his mother, Barbara Gunner, secretly taped with a digital recorder hidden in his front pocket more than two hours of conversations with LaMar Griffin and Reggie Bush over a two-week span beginning December 5, 2005.
Lake's two conversations with Griffin were face-to-face. The first was on Dec. 5 before the Heisman presentation, when Lake met Griffin in the parking lot at Morse High School, where Griffin is a security guard. Lake's former girlfriend, Maiesha Jones, accompanied Lake but remained inside Lake's Mercedes Benz as Lake and Griffin talked outside the car.
The second conversation between Lake and Griffin followed the Heisman ceremony and was in the parking lot of a Rally's Hamburgers near Griffin's home in Spring Valley, Calif. There were also two telephone conversations recorded with Reggie. The conversations between Lake, at his home in El Cajon, Calif., and Bush were after Bush returned from the Heisman ceremony in New York City.
Agent David Caravantes also joined the second conversation near the end after being called by Lake. Lake could not recall the specific dates when he talked to Bush.
Excerpts of these transcripts appear throughout this book. In a select few instances, a clarification is provided in parentheses to establish context.
In this first excerpt, Bush indicates that he intends to repay Lloyd.
Lloyd: Okay, let me ask you this. Why would I have to mention something I think you know? Get your dad on the phone right now if you want to. We can get it out in the open if you want. I'm not going to lie to you. I have no reason to lie to you, chief. I'm thinking you know your dad told you, 'I told Reggie, you know. Reggie said thanks, and he appreciates the way you're looking out for us.' Man, that's what he told me, so what am I supposed to do? Why am I supposed to tell you something I think you know? You know what I mean?
Reggie: I'll make sure you get all that back. I don't know how much it is, I am not going to say it, but I'll make sure you get it all back.
Lloyd: What about the time and the effort, Reg?
Reggie: What do you want me to do? You all got to (inaudible) get a decent chance just like all the other agents.



Moments before William J. Dockery, president of the Heisman Trophy Trust, announced the recipient of the 71st Heisman Trophy, ESPN cameras focused on the three candidates in the front row – Texas quarterback Vince Young was on the end seat near the center aisle, Bush was next to him and Leinart was to Bush's left. The trio, impeccably dressed in dark suits, sat expressionless, each with their hands clenched together as if in prayer. Denise and LaMar Griffin sat directly behind Young and Reggie, their eyes centered on the stage and Dockery.
When Dockery finally said, "And now without further delay, the Heisman Trust is proud to announce the winner of the 2005 Heisman Memorial Trophy, the winner is … Reggie Bush, USC," Bush immediately lunged forward in his seat as the crowd exploded in celebration. A grinning Leinart leaned towards Bush and extended his right hand in congratulations; Young, reacting as if surprised by the announcement, stared straight ahead and graciously applauded.
In the second row, LaMar Griffin, holding a small, white towel in his left hand, leaned back in his chair as if to gain momentum, then stood and thrust his arms triumphantly skyward. To his right, a smiling Denise Griffin stood at the same time and clapped. As the revelry spread throughout the theatre, the two turned away from each other when it came time to share in the moment.
LaMar looked left and shook the hand and hugged Bob Leinart, Matt's father, while Denise reached out for Javon, who made his way up front. Following a hug from Leinart and handshake from Young, Reggie walked around and hugged LaMar first, then his mother. Denise could be heard saying, "Oh my God, Oh my God," as the two embraced. Reggie reached around and pulled Javon close to him as they shook hands.
A smiling Reggie then made his way to the stage to receive the most prestigious individual player honor in American college sports.



Darryl Hartzog, nicknamed "Bandit," was relaxing in his suite at the Doubletree Guest Suites Times Square early Saturday night. The Heisman Trophy presentation had just started, and Hartzog was excited for Bush and his family. A night earlier Hartzog had partied with Reggie, Denise and LaMar Griffin, Vince Young and others including veteran marketing agent Mike Ornstein, who, much like Lake, was positioning himself to work for Bush when he declared for the NFL as expected.
Hartzog said the group ate a late lunch at the ESPN Zone on Broadway and arrived in limousines that evening at the trendy 40/40 Club, owned by hip hop mogul Jay-Z and partner Juan Perez, in Manhattan. As could be expected, Bush was in great spirits as evening rolled into morning.
"Reggie and I were sitting there and he was asking about the music industry – what it takes to get in the music industry," Hartzog said. "He said he also wanted to open up a Soul Food restaurant in San Diego, and we talked business ideas concerning my clothing line. He was fine, kind of nonchalant. If he was nervous about the Heisman, you certainly couldn't tell."
Hartzog, 34, first met Reggie in 1999 through his younger cousin who attended Helix High with Bush. Hartzog, in the music and design-wear business in San Diego, said he and Bush immediately connected. Their friendship quickly flourished, and Hartzog said Bush even went as far as to introduce him as his cousin. In turn, Hartzog helped Bush get a summer job at Boogaloo Records in Los Angeles prior to Bush's freshman season at USC.
When the Heisman Trophy Trust announced Bush as one of the three finalists for the Heisman on December 7, Hartzog knew he wanted to be in New York City that weekend to support Bush. Plus, it was the Big Apple and Times Square, which has long been a mecca for music and the arts. It's also defined by its large animated and digital advertisements that rival Las Vegas. One of the first things Hartzog did when he arrived in the city was take a horse and buggy ride around Central Park.
Lloyd Lake, who also is good friends with Hartzog, was being taken for a ride, too. Lake could only wonder what was going on in New York City during the weekend of the Heisman presentation.
"When I really knew we were in trouble was when at the Heisman, when a friend of mine (Darryl Hartzog) was in the room with them," Lake said. "We go way back. Bandit was telling me how (Mike) Ornstein was running around and out there saying, 'Yeah, I do all of Reggie's marketing.' Reggie wasn't saying nothing. I knew then you are not going to let somebody make this presentation and represent you like this if you are really not considering or already locked in to doing it. So I was like, 'Okay.' At this point I am just trying to sit down with Reggie now to figure out what we're going to do about my time and my money. It's no big deal, but you are going to compensate me for my time. At this time, I am trying to sit down and talk with him. Now he's playing hard to get. This is when all the arguing starts.
"LaMar told me that Reggie said that when he goes to the NFL he's going to forget about you (friends) and not deal with you. LaMar was telling Reggie, be careful of the people you get around you. He was like, 'Oh, dad, when I go to the NFL, I am going to leave all those people alone and get rid of them.' But you don't play with people like that. You don't get people to run around and do things for you and then you just abandon them because you go to the NFL."
Lloyd: I get with Reggie when he took money from other people, that's going to get ugly. Somebody doesn't get him, it's going to get ugly if they can prove it.
LaMar: It's hard to prove they gave cash, it's hard to prove. You can't prove cash. Somebody give somebody cash, because I can say right now you gave me something, no you didn't. I got cash, you can't prove nothing.
Lloyd: Just because it's cash, don't mean you can't prove it. I'll give you an example. Say when we bought the car, I gave you the $12,000, right, you go give it to Reggie when he bought his car and then look at my bank account right then. How would I know the $12,000 that came out my bank account was what he put down on his car. You see, that's how you can prove it, circumstantial evidence.
LaMar: Well, that was so long ago, you must have kept a receipt or something.
Lloyd: No, I went to the bank, and the bank always keep records. When I went to the bank and pulled out the $12,000 – like your bank, if you go pull out money, it never go anywhere. You pulled out $12,000 this day.
LaMar: When did Reggie say he'll pay you the $12,000 back?
Lloyd: I never talked to him about it. I wasn't even looking for it back. I just wanted him to come to the company. I told him everything we did for you, because right now it's about two hundred grand. He can keep that or give it to you. If we get Reggie, he can keep that $200,000 we spent over the year and a half, whatever, see what I'm saying? He can just say, 'Okay pay that back to my dad' or he can give it to us, and we'll give it to you.
LaMar: I'm not going to say that I talked to my wife about this, because if I do, she's pissed.
Lloyd: She pissed off with me already. But she shouldn't be mad at me.
LaMar: She's mad at everybody. She's mad at the whole situation.
Lloyd: I wish I never got involved, too. The same way you're feeling, I told Maiesha (former girlfriend) today, I wish I had never got involved in this (expletive). I thought it was going to be good, and it should have been good. LaMar: It might still be good, but you see what I'm saying, and I'm going to say this and then I'm just going to leave it, if we're friends and it doesn't go out there like the way it should be, it just should be left alone. Everybody get together, pay the money back that was out and let it be that, and everybody stay friends and keep it moving because we don't need to be trying – all black folks always trying to go do something against somebody because something didn't happen for them. You can't do that. The credibility is going to be lost a little bit, my credibility, your credibility, everybody's credibility is going to be lost a little bit. But when we get together with so-called friends, see that's when the motive of getting together and turning into friends come in, you know what I'm saying. Because if it was vice-a-versa, I'd say, 'Look man, whenever you get a chance, give me my $22,000 back or whatever, $30,000 or whatever it is, and we'll just clean the slate.' Because like I said before, the decision is if Reggie said you all can come out and do your presentation, I got no problem with it. If that's what he wants, I'm going to call him tonight and find out that's what he says.
 
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billmac91;1466668; said:
O.J. likely saw very little of the $1000. That money is used to persuade "handlers". The "handlers" influence the kids' decesion.
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I understand what a "handler" does but even if OJ did not receive any money, which I highly doubt, it still is a big-time violation on Floyd's part.
COLLEGE BASKETBALL - NCAA needs to throw the book at USC - FOX Sports on MSN

NCAA needs to throw the book at USC by Michael Rosenberg
Updated: May 14, 2009, 2:28 AM EST 136

Well, here you go, NCAA. This isn't a meatball down the middle of the plate. The ball is sitting on a tee. The fence is 30 feet away. It should be the easiest home run you'll ever hit.

If you can't put the University of Southern California in jail, you might as well close up shop. Declare amateur athletics dead. And get rid of your most beloved rules, which wouldn't mean anything anyway.

Yahoo Sports is reporting that USC basketball coach Tim Floyd paid Rodney Guillory at least $1,000 in cash, according to Louis Johnson, a former Guillory associate. Guillory is a) a runner for an agent, according to Johnson, b) the guy who delivered star O.J. Mayo to USC, and c) the guy who supposedly gave Mayo $30,000 when he played for the Trojans (also according to Johnson, via ESPN last year).

USC fans can question Louis Johnson's credibility if they'd like. They can point out that Johnson didn't make the payment himself; he merely says he witnessed it. They can say he got kicked out of Mayo's inner circle and is bitter about it.

Yeah, they can say all that. But understand this: Johnson is not some rejected groupie who

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Didn't see a link to this - sorry if a dupe:

Double trouble lands USC atop era's cheat sheet

Double trouble lands USC atop era's cheat sheet - CBSSports.com News, Fantasy, Video

by Gregg Doyel

But there has never been a dirtier combination of college football and college basketball programs, at the same time, than the Southern California Trojans.

What era of USC football and basketball?

This era.

...

In Carroll's defense, he hasn't been accused of any of this cheating. He has shown unbelievably bad judgment, once pranking his team by pretending that LenDale White jumped off a nearby building and also allowing notorious alum O.J. Simpson to attend practice. So he has made light of suicide and homicide. But Carroll hasn't done this. He hasn't been accused, on the record, of paying off a player. That's the worst, and the dumbest, kind of cheating imaginable -- and that's what Tim Floyd is said to have done.

And nothing about Tim Floyd's past says he deserves the benefit of the doubt. He turned USC around by prospecting in the gray area of recruiting, luring players with package deals and recruiting players committed to other schools and even having an NCAA rule nicknamed in his honor. Remember the old eight-and-five rule that limited basketball teams to five signees in one year, and eight over a two-year period? That rule was enacted in 2000 in large part because of Floyd, whose tenure at Iowa State from 1994-98 was marked by his tendency to recruit beyond the NCAA's 13-scholarship limit and cut loose excess players before the school year began. Every summer, other coaches knew, a solid player or two would become available after being run off by Floyd. So they called the eight-and-five rule "the Tim Floyd rule."

...

And this guy, this Tim Floyd, allowed a known character risk like O.J. Mayo, and by extension a known NCAA violator like Rodney Guillory, into his program -- even after someone as stupid as me warned USC against it. And so now we have this accusation that he gave cash to Guillory, an accusation made by a former associate/friend of Mayo and Guillory, Louis Johnson, who didn't just tell the media about it. He told the feds, on the record. Which means if he's lying, he's going to jail.

Add it up, and you have a brutal accusation against the USC basketball coach and damning accusations against the biggest USC football star in years. The NCAA's response, after opening separate investigations into both programs, has been to roll them into a single, program-wide look at USC athletics. The NCAA is looking for the dreaded "lack of institutional control," and the NCAA is going to find it.

This is cartoon stuff, the massive, two-sport improprieties being investigated at USC. This is Todd Bozeman meets Bobby Bowden. This is one coach being accused of outright cheating, and another coach being accused of not knowing, or wanting to know, the cheating happening with his players.

This is the most scandalous athletic program of this era. And that's saying something. So the question to ask right now is not this one: Who should be fired at USC?

The question is this:

Who shouldn't?
 
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Remember the old eight-and-five rule that limited basketball teams to five signees in one year, and eight over a two-year period?
Matta signed 5 in 06 (1 juco), 6 in 07 (1 juco), 5 in 08 (1 juco). If jucos don't count, that's still 9 in 2 years during either span.

Anyone familiar with this rule? Is it something that gets your squad flagged for review, but the NCAA would then move on after noticing that players are being drafted instead of cut?
 
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