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Dan Patrick made a good point last week. He said that most of the fans seeking to watch hoops on TV can get their fix simply watching NCAA basketball.
The product (while slightly different) isn't wholly different from the NBA.

This is in direct contrast to the NFL/NCAAF which caters to larger markets where NCAA football simply isn't relevant.

Essentially, fans aren't as passionately involved because the demand can be met by NCAA hoops and the NCAA tournament. Also the NBA season is way, way too long.
 
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ScriptOhio;2036734; said:
The average NBA career was reported to be 4.71 years back in 2008: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_NBA_career_length

The average NBA salary is reported to be $5.15 million (the highest by far of the four professional sports): http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/steve_aschburner/08/19/average-salary/index.html

If the season is lost, the average player could easily lose $5.15 million or (1/4.41) = 23% of his lifetime basketball earnings. Are the players stupid or what?
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Yeah, their position isn't nearly as sympathetic as the NFL players. Their sport isn't as violent. Their compensation is through the roof. And the actions of a few recent high profile free agents make them all look like assholes.

And they are fighting over mid-level exemptions and luxury tax rates. I mean COME ON MAN!
 
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OH10;2036711; said:
I'm no anti-trust lawyer, but I'm not sure an overseas market is a defense to an American monopoly.
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I'm no lawyer either, and normally I'd agree with the above comment.

However, I think it's different for pro basketball. Wouldn't a challenge of a monopoly be based on the idea that players are being denied the opportunity to find find work in their field? Players who have wanted to work during this stoppage have found opportunities. Sure, for you and me perhaps an American monopoly could stifle our work opportunities. As a person of modest means, asking me to find work in Europe would be a bit absurd. For NBA players though, I think it's closer to being reasonable.

Then again, I'm not necessarily trying to argue on the way the law would treat it. I'm arguing on the basis of how absurd it looks to a regular observer.
 
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buckeyesin07;2036212; said:
Good call--they just did so. Evidently, neither they nor Hunter have yet figured out that the owners hold all the cards here. I love watching this.
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Exactly. The sad part is the players don't see that this deal will work out better in the long run. David Stern doesn't bluff and the players are so stupid not to take that deal and it's getting worse for them. Players aren't receiving pay cuts, average league salary is still the same (grows to around 7 million for the average player salary in year 7 of the deal), and correct me if I'm wrong but still no hard cap. Sure the owners have their faults and they are wrong in certain areas. However, the players are fucking this up. I can't wait to see what the deal is when the players "have" to accept it.
 
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MaxBuck;2036594; said:
Wrong. What both sides have yet to figure out is that the fans hold all the cards.
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I would disagree.

IMO the point being missed here is that many of the NBA teams are actually losing money. So the players have taken up a position of daring a guy(s) to close down a money losing operation. Whats more, most NBA owners have alternate revenue streams, so actually they'll be making money on a deal where they get to close down a loser for a while.

NFLPU and MLBPU have leverage because work stoppages cost both sides. This work stoppage makes a large contingent of the owners money. The NBAPU isn't dealing from a position of weakness it's dealing from a position of nothingness. I mean how in the name of blue baby jesus is anyone ever going to negotiate wages with an employer who's truly losing money keeping the shop open? It comes down to taking what you can get or finding another way to leverage your narrowly defined skill set into millions of dollars.

I don't know about anyone else here but no one at my place of work gets paid extra for being tall or making an extra fierce face after they dunk.

The funny part to me, as a guy who used to love the NBA is that these dumb, entitled, soft ass prima donna bitches like LeBron can't see that. I hate them for what they've done to a sport I used to love (and in turn what the NBA has done to CBB) so this is "too dumb to make it in the real world" schadenfreude to me.

On the bright side, I'm getting back into college hoops the past couple years and its glorious. When the owners win this and make guys stay in college at least 2 years it will be even better.
 
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Tentative NBA deal reached; season expected to start on Christmas

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Billy Hunter, former executive director of the National Basketball Players Association (left) and NBA Commissioner David Stern were all smiles on Saturday after they announced a tentative deal to end the NBA lockout.

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7281052/nba-owners-players-tentative-agreement
 
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