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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

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I don't think many had any problems with the basic concept of NIL...of players getting endorsement deals from local or national companies. The fear has come with the rise of the collectives essentially buying players.

And don't think the collection of jock sniffers behind these things are not going to start thinking they are entitled to be decision makers within the athletic department. It's setting up to be worse than any meddling booster scenarios of the past (ok, maybe not worse than Auburn) . Back then, a university could simply self-report and then disassociate the booster from the university. Now, these bottom feeders have become an indispensable part of running the program.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I don't think many had any problems with the basic concept of NIL...of players getting endorsement deals from local or national companies. The fear has come with the rise of the collectives essentially buying players.

And don't think the collection of jock sniffers behind these things are not going to start thinking they are entitled to be decision makers within the athletic department. It's setting up to be worse than any meddling booster scenarios of the past (ok, maybe not worse than Auburn) . Back then, a university could simply self-report and then disassociate the booster from the university. Now, these bottom feeders have become an indispensable part of running the program.
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It still comes back to trying to use the old model for the new reality and being frustrated that it doesn't fit.

The answer isn't to limit what the kids can make, when they can make it or who they can make it from. The answer, imo, lies in imagining a new model that doesn't try to couple the university and it's athletic department.

The day has come to realize that the business of running a University and the business of running a semi-pro sports team(s) are not the same thing and should probably be formally separated.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I don't think many had any problems with the basic concept of NIL...of players getting endorsement deals from local or national companies. The fear has come with the rise of the collectives essentially buying players.

And don't think the collection of jock sniffers behind these things are not going to start thinking they are entitled to be decision makers within the athletic department. It's setting up to be worse than any meddling booster scenarios of the past (ok, maybe not worse than Auburn) . Back then, a university could simply self-report and then disassociate the booster from the university. Now, these bottom feeders have become an indispensable part of running the program.
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I think you and Brian Hartline are quite naive if you didn't think that "buying players" wasn't going to CONTINUE. Only now its out in the open. And Auburn doesn't hold a candle to the wild Big 8 days in the 80s, with boosters literally handing out envelopes in locker rooms after games.
If Hartline thought that this was only about getting some free swag, then he had his head in the sand, or didn't see many of the monetary benefits that I can assure you his teammates did.

OSU is so far running their NIL with some trepidation, and not just throwing money at players. But the players are still earning benefits, and if we finish the '23 class the way we're expected, I can assure you that we indeed outbid schools for the like of Inniss, Tate, etc.
 
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This article is from 2007, right after the OSU loss to UF in the NC:

https://www.djournal.com/sports/mon...cle_e7efa87e-14bd-5866-9b6f-cb19ceef98a9.html

Bowl payouts have been mushrooming, too. According to the Football Bowl Association, this year's 31 bowl games will generate $210 million for NCAA schools. Over the last six years, bowls have paid schools $900 million, the association said, and it estimates bowl payouts will grow to $2.2 billion over the next 10 years.

Meanwhile, the Phoenix area expects to reap $350 million in tourism revenue from its three bowl games this year - the Insight, the Fiesta and the BCS title game.


Plus, Fox is in the first year of a four-year deal that will pay the BCS $320 million for the broadcast rights to the Fiesta, Orange and Sugar bowls from 2007-10 and the national title game from 2007-09.


Little of this money trickles down to the players. The NCAA has set a $500 limit on gifts they can receive from bowl hosts.
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Between the colleges, the cities of the bowls and the TV networks, they're making BILLIONS of dollars. Yet fans are fine with sitting back and watching players make a whopping $500 MAX! Players making a few million is a drop in the bucket compared to what they actually generate. This has been the fear of schools and fans alike, that the actual workers woke up and expect to be compensated for their service. Its crazy I know, it's like being an adult and working a job and earning an income. I would love to know how many adult fans would be fine with giving up their yearly income for $500, as long as their employer paid for their meals and housing...
 
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pnuts34 said:
I think you and Brian Hartline are quite naive if you didn't think that "buying players" wasn't going to CONTINUE. Only now its out in the open. And Auburn doesn't hold a candle to the wild Big 8 days in the 80s, with boosters literally handing out envelopes in locker rooms after games.
If Hartline thought that this was only about getting some free swag, then he had his head in the sand, or didn't see many of the monetary benefits that I can assure you his teammates did.

OSU is so far running their NIL with some trepidation, and not just throwing money at players. But the players are still earning benefits, and if we finish the '23 class the way we're expected, I can assure you that we indeed outbid schools for the like of Inniss, Tate, etc.
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Or they believe they could make more in Day’s offense being coached by Hartline.
 
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The minute that University athletic departments are decoupled from Universities is the minute when the athletics business should lose any right to use university resources including its name. With all due respect to football fans like me around the world, some kid who can catch a football is not worth 5 medical school or business school professors. College athletics has become grotesquely disconnected from its value to society and it seems clear to me that it will collapse under its weight. I've got no problem with a junior development league for the NFL. College football is not it.
 
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Yes, that TOO. But money will also be involved
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I don’t disagree. I just don’t believe OSU will engage in any bidding war. Not because OSU is some place that’s holier than thou. I just don’t think that many coaches on this staff have that personality.

But, should they choose OSU you can guaran-damn-tee they’ll be posing next to new cars within a few weeks lol.
 
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Steve19 said:
The minute that University athletic departments are decoupled from Universities is the minute when the athletics business should lose any right to use university resources including its name. With all due respect to football fans like me around the world, some kid who can catch a football is not worth 5 medical school or business school professors. College athletics has become grotesquely disconnected from its value to society and it seems clear to me that it will collapse under its weight. I've got no problem with a junior development league for the NFL. College football is not it.
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Yeah there should’ve been some type of minor league like baseball or hockey a very long time ago for football. Basketball has finally started this with the G League actually paying decent salaries, and providing kids with a choice to go to college for a year or go pro. There should be every opportunity given to football players as well to earn an honest living. And for kids who want to be true student athletes, then by all means they should be the ones who get free tuition, room, board and food, and then it be paid for through grants, scholarships, etc. We all know the clear talent gap between guys who are playing at top tier P5 and the kids who are at G5 or FCS, because that’s a main reason why they rarely play one another.


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I don’t disagree. I just don’t believe OSU will engage in any bidding war. Not because OSU is some place that’s holier than thou. I just don’t think that many coaches on this staff have that personality.

But, should they choose OSU you can guaran-damn-tee they’ll be posing next to new cars within a few weeks lol.
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I guess I may have worded it wrong, in that I don’t think OSU will outright bid on kids monetarily. But part of kids committing/signing to OSU will be financial. Because if we land Carnell Tate with all of us knowing that Tennessee is opening the check book for him, then we have to believe that OSU is doing some financially as well to land(among other positives that OSU can offer) him. Money won’t be the only reason, but it will be one of them was my point.
 
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Steve19 said:
The minute that University athletic departments are decoupled from Universities is the minute when the athletics business should lose any right to use university resources including its name. With all due respect to football fans like me around the world, some kid who can catch a football is not worth 5 medical school or business school professors. College athletics has become grotesquely disconnected from its value to society and it seems clear to me that it will collapse under its weight. I've got no problem with a junior development league for the NFL. College football is not it.
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College football, and basketball, continues to try and use a 70+ year old rule book to protect amateurism when they aren't amateurs anymore (never have been really). It's value to society is the same as any other form of entertainment. They aren't saving babies.

If OSU the school, received millions of dollars from a semi pro football team that paid to license the OSU name and used that money to fund scholarships and chairs for professors, where is the harm in that? What changes about the game on the field? How has society been harmed?

The only harm being done is to the myth of college athletes being amateurs and, potentially, to the athletic department's margins once money has to start being split up with the players and not hoarded by the schools. Schools could play this smart or they can continue down the same path that car dealerships were using to fight Tesla and cab companies were using to fight Uber. There has been a disruption. Adapt or die.

The fact two of the conference AD's slunk off to Washington to try and use their lobby to buy legislation in their favor tells you they are already defeated. They know they can't enforce these new guidelines. They have no way to enforce cooperation and nothing but lawsuits await if they do try it.
 
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