sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
Thanks for fully stating your _opinion_. It’s noted and we can finally move on.
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Thanks for fully stating your _opinion_. It’s noted and we can finally move on.
Thanks for interjecting yourself and adding nothing. It’s noted and we can finally move on.
Have a great rest of your day.
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
I’ll take issue with the “adding nothing” comment. If you’re really going to finally fucking move on, I’d argue that I added a shit load.
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LOL. You engaged with me, squirt.
It was over until you came with your cape looking to save the day.
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Systems_id
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Why?
If they wanna give 4 million to a 5-star kid to go to a certain school, why can't they?
Why do the rules of capitalism apply to everyone except college athletes?
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His beef is with the "foundations" not NIL itself. He started with this position (they don't work and he's the only who can see that):
Then, once he gives up on tilting at the efficacy of giving a kid more money to come to your school is a pretty solid inducement windmill, he just goes to the "creepy and disgusting" thing.
Apparently, guys like Steve Stivers and Rick Ricart are using this to get next to the athletes.
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I put my thoughts on the latest NCAA/NIL stuff in the non trainwreck thread but as it applies to OSU in particular:
I like the job Gene Smith has done overall, sans that little 2011/12 Bowl game/sanctions calculation fiasco, but he is a man who's made a career of working the system to get where he is. He's 100% institutionalized.
You can't support the NCAA creating its own rules around NIL knowing damn good and well that they can't/won't enforce them. It's intellectually disingenuous at best, flat out lazy and dishonest at worst.
I like the job Gene Smith has done overall, sans that little 2011/12 Bowl game/sanctions calculation fiasco, but he is a man who's made a career of working the system to get where he is. He's 100% institutionalized.
You can't support the NCAA creating its own rules around NIL knowing damn good and well that they can't/won't enforce them. It's intellectually disingenuous at best, flat out lazy and dishonest at worst.
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Even worse, they will enforce them selectively.
They will bring the hammer down on public institutions subject to FOIA (ie us), and let private institutions (ie Miami) and politically connected favorites (ie UNC) get away with murder, and incompetently enforce them against actual pedophiles (see PSU) resulting in a restitution and discredit upon the entire structure.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Ohio State is glad to have multiple NIL collectives working on its behalf, knowing the Buckeyes would be behind if they did not have any collectives.
“I think it's critical that we have the collectives,” said senior associate athletic director of sport administration and student-athlete development Carey Hoyt, who oversees Ohio State’s NIL administration. “Having two large groups, I think is advantageous, because if you're a 16, 17, 18-year-old recruit, and you have opportunities at Power 5 schools, obviously as you're making your decision, you're going to want to know that the opportunity is going to exist at that school. So if we didn't have any collectives, if we were just stiff-arming that whole concept, I think it would be a huge disadvantage to our teams and coaches.”
That said, Ohio State – who has designated staff members who are not coaches that communicate with the collectives and others who want to make NIL deals with athletes – has discouraged the collectives from offering NIL deals to recruits, even though OSU does not determine what deals the collectives do or not do make.
“While it's technically not against any rule for someone in a collective to interact with a recruit, it's very gray and it's not an area that we're comfortable. We view NIL very much for current student-athletes, and we just try and keep that separation as best we can,” Hoyt told Eleven Warriors in April. “But these are third parties, their own individual entities, and I've had conversations with Cardale and Brian and Gary and all of the people to try and help them understand the risk.
“Ultimately, the NCAA has the ability to come in and look at things should they decide to. Are they going to? That's to be determined. I think it's potentially happening at other schools. And you just open yourself up to that scrutiny when you're kind of throwing that out there. And I just think it's risky.”
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A lot of the stuff we've covered here (in the sensible discussions) is touched on in there and commented on by the various players in this particular game.
I think the telling comments are from Gene Smith:
They see this new environment as a threat to their existing business model so they have a choice, adapt the model or fight it. They are clearly going to take the fight it approach and they know they are overstepping but willing to just fight it out in court. I've seen this in business so many times it's not even funny. It's like the cab companies trying to use their lobby to block Uber and Lyft. They had the same adapt/fight choice and because they couldn't adapt they went the other way and it generally doesn't work out (to put it mildly).
In this particular case they are going into the teeth of anti-trust laws and I, personally, think that should be more openly discussed and framed properly in these discussions. You have a relatively small number of "owners" in an industry (college sports) openly colluding to restrict a segment of the populations ability to earn fair market value for their work. I know some people are concerned about the "jock sniffer" element these collectives could bring out of the woodwork and that's debatably valid but it pales in comparison to the attack on the principles of a fair, open market. In addition, given the current movements in popular culture towards a more inclusive and diverse society, I find it incredibly ironic that there isn't a much louder voice of alarm being raised given that the population segment being colluded against here is predominantly young, poor African Americans.
I understand Day and Hartline et al are coming from a football coaches perspective; just make consistent rules and we'll follow them. I understand that most people are fine with kids making NIL money but the issue comes down to the organizations not being able to pick and choose when kids get to make that money, or how, just because it isn't suitable for their existing business model. The good intentions of trying to "save" college football is empty rhetoric. Even if those intentions are legitimate (which I highly doubt at the AD/University level), good intentions don't allow you to break the law and back to anti-trust we go.
Just my .02
I think the telling comments are from Gene Smith:
They see this new environment as a threat to their existing business model so they have a choice, adapt the model or fight it. They are clearly going to take the fight it approach and they know they are overstepping but willing to just fight it out in court. I've seen this in business so many times it's not even funny. It's like the cab companies trying to use their lobby to block Uber and Lyft. They had the same adapt/fight choice and because they couldn't adapt they went the other way and it generally doesn't work out (to put it mildly).
In this particular case they are going into the teeth of anti-trust laws and I, personally, think that should be more openly discussed and framed properly in these discussions. You have a relatively small number of "owners" in an industry (college sports) openly colluding to restrict a segment of the populations ability to earn fair market value for their work. I know some people are concerned about the "jock sniffer" element these collectives could bring out of the woodwork and that's debatably valid but it pales in comparison to the attack on the principles of a fair, open market. In addition, given the current movements in popular culture towards a more inclusive and diverse society, I find it incredibly ironic that there isn't a much louder voice of alarm being raised given that the population segment being colluded against here is predominantly young, poor African Americans.
I understand Day and Hartline et al are coming from a football coaches perspective; just make consistent rules and we'll follow them. I understand that most people are fine with kids making NIL money but the issue comes down to the organizations not being able to pick and choose when kids get to make that money, or how, just because it isn't suitable for their existing business model. The good intentions of trying to "save" college football is empty rhetoric. Even if those intentions are legitimate (which I highly doubt at the AD/University level), good intentions don't allow you to break the law and back to anti-trust we go.
Just my .02
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I’ve always found it odd that there’s so much opposition to players in Football and Basketball being paid finally through NIL. Yet no issues with a tennis player being paid as a teenager, or a hockey player, a golfer, a kid playing E Sports, or a bowler, or fisherman…
The 2 sports that easily earn the most revenue in college sports, and so many fans are against paying them, but the other sports get checks and no one cares. The other sports have kids stay in school and leave after a year or a semester, and no one bats an eye, but the starting Center at a school leaves for the NBA, and people say he doesn’t care about his education. A football player leaves for more NIL money and there’s an uproar, but an E Sports player leaves for the same reason and no one cares. It’s quite the double standard that most don’t want to talk about. You don’t want the kid who’s jersey you’re wearing to earn a check, but the guy playing hockey who you wouldn’t know if he was wearing his own jersey is fine to make an income
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