More Discussion on Marijuana (Merged with Skeete thread discussion)

[Folanator]

Don't give me that shit. I work with people that addicted to any drug you can name. By working with them I mean I help them try to get over their addiction. I would say 99 times out of 100, when you ask these people what was the first drug you tried, it is marijauna. They weren't alcoholics. True, not many come in and say they are addicted to weed, unless the court forces them to. But the guys that use "real drugs" almost all started on marijuana. I am no anti-drug propagandist. If you want to fuck up your life, go for it. Keeps me busy.


No need to worry if you aren't a criminal.

Dude you are a lyin' sack. NO ONE in the recovery industry would make that comment. I have many many many friends in that profession, and that statement is so far out of bounds it is unbelievable.

No need to worry if you aren't a communist

Thank you Young Senator McCarthy

 

[3yardsandacloud]

OK, ok. Everyone has had a chance to vent on this topic. Let's try moving the virtues and vices of drugs debate over to the Open Discussion forum from here on out. As others have said, that's a different topic. While everyone is aggitated (mad, pissed, whatever) with the actions of one of our Buckeyes, let's not let this other topic cloud the discussion. I haven't heard anyone seriously say that JS shouldn't be punished if this all proves to be true. Debating the degree of moral guilt or innocence from marijuana use is a topic for a different forum.

 

[BrutusMaximus]

I for one was introduced to such psychedelics through the gateway of music and literature

 

[ScarletFever]

No need to worry if you aren't a criminal.

What do you know about Singapore?? hmm?

All I will say is this -

[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]If you are caught chewing gum, there is a fine up to S$1,000. The sale and purchase of chewing gum is illegal and subjected to 1 or 2 years imprisonment.[/font]

Just be glad you live in America and don't make blanket staements about things you don't know anything about. Human rights in Singapore is what is criminal!!

 

[Bucklion]

"This kid is screwed and deserves to be, but don't sit here and tell me that a person that gets stoned on occasion is any more of a criminal than a social drinker."

Uh, that's not what the law says...and that's the point of the thread regarding the kicker. One can argue the moral equivalence of consuming alcohol and gonja all day long (as a scientist, I wonder how many people who make the argument on either side actually know what the drug is doing in the brain), but the law of the United States is what it is, and if you don't follow it, this is the trouble you get into. The rest is semantics, or political science, both of which belong on the discussion forum as our moderator has said. There is no disputing (if he did what he is charged with) that he:

-broke a serious (felony) law

-let down his family and teammates

-gave the program another black eye and tarnished the place that offered him a free education for kicking an oblong spheroid

This is the point of this thread...the rest is a separate issue.

 

[ohiostate=life]

I have read everyone's posts and finally I can say...I am a freshman at Ohio State and I know a lot of people party here. I can count on one hand the number of times I have gone out to a party this year. It is simply not a necessity of life. I am also trying to walk-on next year. I can tell you that if I did make the team, I can promise you I wouldn't be caught dead at ANY party. Even the few times I have been out this year is too much to risk. The fact is even if you aren't doing anything illegal there, the fact that you are there can put you in a bad situation. The cops could bust the party for underage consumption and even if you're not drinking, that is attention you do not need as a scholarship athlete. Honestly how fucking retarded do you have to be to piss away the opportunity that playing here can give you. This is one of those times like Ricky Williams or many others where us less-gifted athletes would give anything to be on the football team and do the great things you can do here. There is soo much more to life than drugs and frankly the fact that Skeete has been seen at parties already (by people on this site) makes him at fault in my book. Why would you go to a party. I would have my nose in my playbook and my school work 24/7.

 

[BuckeyeTrail]

yeah, i'm really sure the kicker needs to be studying a playbook 24/7.

i agree with an earlier poster about the moral indignation. skeete f'd up and tressel is most likely going to have no other choice but to kick him off the team. but by all accounts he is a good kid who deserves a second chance somewhere else.

i love how people try to prove that weed is bad for you by citing some example of some guy they know that's a loser. well a very close relative of mine smokes a good amount, and he's very intelligent, hard-working, and successful.

you don't hear about the successful users, because if they went around telling everyone and their company found out, they'd lose their job. so all that people see is the burnouts who don't give a fuck as to who knows about them smoking.

just make it legal already. so many problems and crimes would be reduced, and so much of the taxpayer's money would be saved from this "war on drugs" that can never be won or lost. you got a problem with drug dealers...make it legal...the dealers will dissapear. honest farmers can grow it and sell it. tax it and have the money go to a good cause, like improving the schools. under the current system, the only people making money are the dealers; everyone else is losing money, even the non-users, because their tax money is being spent on fighting this stupid war.

simply educate people in schools about the dangers of drugs, cigarretes, beer, etc. then when they are 18 they should be free to make their own choice, as long as they are not harming anybody else in the process.

you can eat fast food junk and smoke and drink till your heart, lungs, or liver fail, and nobody gives a damn. but you can't get high? i will never understand this law, it makes no fucking sense. just because something is the law doesn't mean it ought to be followed. the british had a lot of stupid laws, and what did our forefathers do? did they meekly follow the bullshit laws, or did they do something about it?

by the way i am not defending skeete, when i was an athlete i stayed clean, your teammates come before yourself. it's just that anytime the subject of weed gets brought up, i get ticked off because the general public has so much misinformation about it. like those STUPID anti-drug commercials, for example the one where the older brother angrily storms out of the house because he doesn't want to be at his little bro's birthday party, and the voice-over comes on at the end saying "you'll never forget the people that you hurt when you were high". i have no idea what in the hell that commercial is trying to say, if the dude was actually high he probably would be having a blast at the birthday party.

a lot of the problems in the inner-city is because the only people that have any money are the drug dealers, and as a result that is who the kids look up to and want to become. if you legalize drugs, that enormous black market would vanish, and kids would realize that the way out would be through hard work and honest means, rather than illegal activity.

the black market is bad. by making stuff legal, you shut down the market. it's not that complicated.

why the fuck do we even teach history in school, it's not like anybody is learning from it. prohibition did not work. the war on drugs is not any different.

people want to live in this utopia instead of the real world. guns are bad, let's make them illegal. but when that law gets passed, are all the guns going to magically dissappear? hell no. now, only criminals have access to them through the black market; the average citizen is unprotected. drugs are bad, let's make them illegal. but have all the drugs magically dissapeared? of course not. the amount of users will not significantly change whether it's legal or not, but all the money associated with the industry will now be going for good causes instead of bad. deal with the issue practically, instead of stubbornly clinging to values that, while good-intentioned, aren't making the world any better of a place.

i realize this belongs in the political forum or something, it started out as a simple reply to a poster suggesting that kickers should be immersed in a playbook and that athletes can never go to a party EVER, but it ended up turning into a rant.

 

[martinss01]

yeah, i'm really sure the kicker needs to be studying a playbook 24/7.

I would have my nose in my playbook and my school work 24/7.

i love how people try to prove that weed is bad for you by citing some example of some guy they know that's a loser. well a very close relative of mine smokes a good amount, and he's very intelligent, hard-working, and successful.

and he will coninue to be very intelligent, hard-working, and successful until he gets busted... whether or not drugs (of any type) should be legal is 100% irrelivant. shoulda woulda coulda is meanlingless as it isn't going to stop you from going to jail and potentially loosing every single thing you have worked your entire life for. last time i checked the "but it should be legal your honor" defense doesn't hold up in a court of law.

let me get this straight. your willing to risk everything you have worked your entire life for over a buzz? are you kidding me!? if your buddy is willing to risk his success over a little weed... *shrug* thats his call imo, just don't cry foul to me when/if he gets busted.

you don't hear about the successful users, because if they went around telling everyone and their company found out, they'd lose their job. so all that people see is the burnouts who don't give a fuck as to who knows about them smoking.

when i was working for a frieght handling company while in college there was a guy who worked the line beside me. absolutely great kid. great work ethic, knew what he was doing and worked hard. long story short, he got hit by fork lift and was knocked into an elevated platform. he hit the metal corner with the back of his neck. the hazmat team filled up a glade bag full of soaped up blood from the kid. i heard the next day he tested positive for pot and that he was fired immediately, insurance refused to cover him, and his workmans comp claim went bye bye. the driver who was 100% at fault in everyway got off without any punishment at all and the kid was wrote up as "at fault". for no other reason than he tested positive for drugs.

so he lost his job, god only knows how badly he got hurt and will likely have to pay out of his pocket. why? because a little buzz was just that damned important.

i disagree with the situation but i can't change it. he can't, you can't, and noone else can either. i can't wave a magic wand and change laws. i can't control what laws are on the books or how they are enforced. all i can control are my actions. if i choose to not act in a way that is in accordance to the law i have to be prepaired for the consiquences. life isn't fair.

and so much of the taxpayer's money would be saved from this "war on drugs" that can never be won or lost. you got a problem with drug dealers...make it legal...the dealers will dissapear. honest farmers can grow it and sell it. tax it and have the money go to a good cause, like improving the schools. under the current system, the only people making money are the dealers; everyone else is losing money, even the non-users, because their tax money is being spent on fighting this stupid war.

you cant regulate, tax, and control something i can grow in my back yard. which is why it will never be legal. deal with it or accept the consiquences. i think it should be legal and have signed many a petition. but i know it never will be.

simply educate people in schools about the dangers of drugs, cigarretes, beer, etc. then when they are 18 they should be free to make their own choice, as long as they are not harming anybody else in the process.

understand i do agree with you on this point. i think it should be legal. hell, i enjoyed smoking when i was young and dumb. now that im old and dumb, i have realized the risks simply aren't worth the rewards. when i want a buzz, i lift weights. its cheaper and i don't go to jail.

you can eat fast food junk and smoke and drink till your heart, lungs, or liver fail, and nobody gives a damn. but you can't get high? i will never understand this law, it makes no fucking sense. just because something is the law doesn't mean it ought to be followed. the british had a lot of stupid laws, and what did our forefathers do? did they meekly follow the bullshit laws, or did they do something about it?

then have the law repealed! but don't sit there and whine and moan because you did something knowing full well it was against the law, got busted, and then punished for your actions. or do as our forefathers did and try and overthrow the gov. but try and keep in mind what happened to those who signed the declaration of independence while you entertain the thought.

a linky just for you:
http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/decl_men.htm

if you feel this stand is worth it, go for it. i personally do not. i can get my buzz elsewhere. feel free to pm me if you want to discuss any of the "drug views portion" in more detail. i don't want to hijack the thread anymore than i already have.

getting back on topic. "if" the kid is guilty he needs to be kicked off the team immediately if not sooner. its such a sad situation. but i feel no pitty for him if this is true.

 

[Steve19]

BuckeyeTrail, I agree with a lot of what you say, but people just don't make decisions that are in their own interest and often don't realize that something is harming them longer term. I smoked for 17 years and kept telling myself that I wasn't addicted. It took me years to admit that I was and finally stop.

Marijuana use has been linked to numerous health problems longer term. As you might expect, lung cancer and other problems associated with cigarette smoking are problems for marijuana smokers as well. More alarmingly, it has been tied to chromosome damage. It has been tied to use of stronger drugs. Marijuana use also has been linked to numerous social problems. Although some people do seem to be able to handle it, or at least think they are or appear to be okay, marijuana abusers are more likely to have occupational related problems, family problems and a host of other problems.

None of this is the central issue of this thread, none of it matters. This young man had a scholarship and a place on The Ohio State University football team. Marijuana use is illegal. Marijuana selling is illegal. This is an incredible shame.

 

[scooter1369]

Whether pot should be legal or not is irrelevant. Right now, its illegal. There is no gray area. Owning, smoking, selling, distributing, sharing, growing and buying marijuana is illegal. Skeete got busted for two of those.

So the "it should be legal" argument is for another thread in another forum. This is about the here and now.

Pot is illegal.
Skeete got busted.
buh bye, Johnny. I'm sorry, but you screwed up.
Where's Pettrey?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

cant.......stay......on........topic.........
too.......hard.......of........a......concept....to.........grasp
must......talk........about........weed......and........society

 

[Folanator]

cant.......stay......on........topic.........
too.......hard.......of........a......concept....to.........grasp
must......talk........about........weed......and........society

I actually took this off road and have had a great discussion with a couple of people I have never talked to prior. They have made some excellent points and the PM's have been very civil and intelligent. I disagree with them, but this has been an excellent topic.

Now back to your regularly scheduled off-topic discussion.

 

[ohiostate=life]

yeah, i'm really sure the kicker needs to be studying a playbook 24/7.

Actually buckeyetrail if you read my post I was talking about what I would do if I made the football team. The fact that you didn't comprehend what I was saying doesn't necessarily mean you sound stupid, but when you try to defend marijuana by making these outrageous claims that it "isn't that bad for you" and then try to tell us we're uninformed on the subject, now I'm starting to worry about you. The mere fact you're defending it tells me that you have either tried it and/or still use it. That is probably why you're are still in denial about its effects. Let me, an uninformed person, explain what it does to your brain. When you smoke weed the chemicals in it go straight to your brain. When they get there they kill brain cells and cause the space between alive cells to spread apart. This space is known as synapses. When they get farther apart, the electrical signals traveling through your brain don't travel that gap very well. Hence the slow moving burnout you mentioned. So you have a friend that is still smart. Maybe he would be even smarter if he didn't smoke weed. You should wait and see what he looks like in twenty more year after doing that to himself. Before you make asinine comments like that maybe you should do your homework on the subject.

 

[strohs]

Actually buckeyetrail if you read my post I was talking about what I would do if I made the football team. The fact that you didn't comprehend what I was saying doesn't necessarily mean you sound stupid, but when you try to defend marijuana by making these outrageous claims that it "isn't that bad for you" and then try to tell us we're uninformed on the subject, now I'm starting to worry about you. The mere fact you're defending it tells me that you have either tried it and/or still use it. That is probably why you're are still in denial about its effects. Let me, an uninformed person, explain what it does to your brain. When you smoke weed the chemicals in it go straight to your brain. When they get there they kill brain cells and cause the space between alive cells to spread apart. This space is known as synapses. When they get farther apart, the electrical signals traveling through your brain don't travel that gap very well. Hence the slow moving burnout you mentioned. So you have a friend that is still smart. Maybe he would be even smarter if he didn't smoke weed. You should wait and see what he looks like in twenty more year after doing that to himself. Before you make asinine comments like that maybe you should do your homework on the subject.

Whoa, somebody needs to get out more :)
How can you go to tOSU and not party?
It makes no sense.
Its like going to scUM and not reek like hell.
Im not saying football players should be out every night drinking, but they should enjoy themselves just like any other student.
They just have to be safe like the 99% of students who dont get in trouble every weekend.

 

[KevinBuck]

When you smoke weed the chemicals in it go straight to your brain. When they get there they kill brain cells and cause the space between alive cells to spread apart. This space is known as synapses. When they get farther apart, the electrical signals traveling through your brain don't travel that gap very well. Hence the slow moving burnout you mentioned. So you have a friend that is still smart. Maybe he would be even smarter if he didn't smoke weed. You should wait and see what he looks like in twenty more year after doing that to himself. Before you make asinine comments like that maybe you should do your homework on the subject.

So you're an OSU student, right? Ever taken an English class with Mack Davis? If not, sign up and see what an intelligent person is like after 20 years of smoking pot... he's maybe the most creative and interesting professor I've met in my time in academia. The fact is everybody is going to be worse off after 20 years of adulthood, regardless of their individual behaviors. Take your pseudo-science back to DARE, frosh.