More Discussion on Marijuana (Merged with Skeete thread discussion)

[BuckeyeNation27]

I just told you, name-caller! I come here to read about the Buckeyes and related topics, and occasionally throw in my two cents; it's up to the mods to determine a place for everything and put everything in its place. You take this shit too seriously, BN27.

and i just told you, when a mod/admin tells you to stop talking about weed and its effects on society, then you should shut the fuck up about it. when it takes a mod 15 minutes to split a thread because a couple of pot heads want to discuss how great weed is then there is something wrong.

 

[KevinBuck]

BN27, nobody told me any such thing--and you are also wrong to infer people's behaviors from the opinions expressed here. My own opinions have as much to do with my libertarian (see: no government) leanings as with my life experiences with marijuana, as well as a skeptical nature that keeps me from swallowing everything the government tells me on behalf of its pharmaceutical lobbyists.

 

[ohiostate=life]

KevinBuck-
I respect your opinion but I have to say, you sound like an intelligent guy but as far as your opinion on weed smoking is concerned, I would refrain from supporting the use of things that ARE illegal if you want to retain any respect by readers of your opinions. No doubt, marijuana has medicinal purposes, glaucoma, etc. But those people actually using it because they have to, are hardly using it to the extent that the common "pothead" does. The fact is those needers of pot are just an easy excuse for the real potheads to give as to why it is OK and should be legalized. And as far as the self-proclaimed libertarian comment goes, I could've guessed that before you admitted it. What does that tell you about the stereotype that the hippies of the sixties paved out for you. It's not difficult to understand...Pot is bad for you, everyone knows it, and although it can be used for medicinal purposes, Jonathan Skeete doesn't have glaucoma and he shouldn't be selling, using, buying, etc. while he is on the football team. End of discussion.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Hey! We split this thread off! This thread is no longer about Jonathon Skeete! This is about pot, man! Take your football refences over to the Buckeye forum!

 

[3yardsandacloud]

BN27, nobody told me any such thing

OK, ok. Everyone has had a chance to vent on this topic. Let's try moving the virtues and vices of drugs debate over to the Open Discussion forum from here on out. As others have said, that's a different topic. While everyone is aggitated (mad, pissed, whatever) with the actions of one of our Buckeyes, let's not let this other topic cloud the discussion. I haven't heard anyone seriously say that JS shouldn't be punished if this all proves to be true. Debating the degree of moral guilt or innocence from marijuana use is a topic for a different forum.

[rant] I addressed this AGAIN in a second post. BN27 is correct that I asked (twice) for this discussion (on marijuana) to be moved to the Open Discussion ... where it belongs. There is absolutely NO (good) REASON for osugrad21 to have to split this thread (and waste 15 minutes of his time). The only reason is that folks are too lazy to start the proper thread, on the proper forum, to discuss the topic of their choice. No one said "don't talk about marijuana", just to "use the appropriate forum". Perhaps I am giving some of our members too much credit for being able to do the correct thing on their own. It's a shame that 21 had to do it for them in this instance. [rant off]

 

[BrutusMaximus]

He was too high to find the open discussion forum.......

or he was looking for the weed forum :)

 

[LloydSev]

He was too high to find the open discussion forum.......

or he was looking for the weed forum :)

lol

 

[KevinBuck]

"What does that tell you about the stereotype that the hippies of the sixties paved out for you"


I think you need to add a couple PoliSci classes to your GEC list, too. Libertarians are extreme (not radical) conservatives, on the total opposite end of the political spectrum from liberal hippy-types. So I guess that once again shows how wrong stereotypes can be, as my libertarianism is not about doing anything I want; rather, it is about the government not telling me what I can't do (there is a subtle but important distinction there).

Liberal does not equal libertarian.

As for supporting "things that are illegal", I refer you to Thoreau and Dostoyevsky for their thoughts on civil disobedience ("Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once?.").

 

[ohiostate=life]

I second that lol.

 

[BrutusMaximus]

But see you're referring me to someone who I dont know, nor care to know, nor give a shit what they have to say. Now in that same breathe, I agree that I dont obey laws because some politician created them. I obey the ones that make sense to obey. Certain things are illegal for a purpose, common sense can tell you that.

I reference Bill Cosby....

"So what does this cocaine do for you?"

"Well it enhances my personality.......that's what it does"

"Yes, but what if you're an asshole"

 

[KevinBuck]

3Yards, BN27, other mods pissed about wrong-forum-posting:
I for one really only check out the main Forums page, which shows the most recent posts--but doesn't show which forum each post comes from (I find this frustrating). I bring up the recent post and respond directly to it, if necessary; so if there's a problem with where my posts end up, it's because of BP's layout. I don't start threads, I only continue them; where that takes place is no concern of mine.

 

[ohiostate=life]

"What does that tell you about the stereotype that the hippies of the sixties paved out for you"


I think you need to add a couple PoliSci classes to your GEC list, too. Libertarians are extreme (not radical) conservatives, on the total opposite end of the political spectrum from liberal hippy-types. So I guess that once again shows how wrong stereotypes can be, as my libertarianism is not about doing anything I want; rather, it is about the government not telling me what I can't do (there is a subtle but important distinction there).

Liberal does not equal libertarian.

As for supporting "things that are illegal", I refer you to Thoreau and Dostoyevsky for their thoughts on civil disobedience ("Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once?.").

Well as far as obeying the government. I think when they prove that something is so bad for you and can lead to so many other things and because of this it becomes illegal, it's time to wake up and smell the roses. And thank you I am aware of the political spectrum and I am a Republican myself. There is another attribute that MOST republicans have as well, that is the well grounded and moral values of law obyding citizens. Liberals are the ones out in the street having sit ins and hugging trees while they light up a joint. It sounds like you swing both ways to me.

 

[KevinBuck]

"But see you're referring me to someone who I dont know, nor care to know, nor give a shit what they have to say"


Well, that's your loss, then. It's pretty safe to say America would be a much different, and probably worse, place without the philosophical influence of Thoreau. As for purpose, do you know why marijuana is illegal in the first place? It's a long story, but it has to do with the rise the DuPont corporation and a racist fear of Mexican immigrants...

Well as far as obeying the government. I think when they prove that something is so bad for you and can lead to so many other things and because of this it becomes illegal, it's time to wake up and smell the roses. And thank you I am aware of the political spectrum and I am a Republican myself. There is another attribute that MOST republicans have as well, that is the well grounded and moral values of law obyding citizens. Liberals are the ones out in the street having sit ins and hugging trees while they light up a joint. It sounds like you swing both ways to me.

Well, you've just discredited yourself by exposing your blind partisanship: 1) the government has proved no such thing and instead has very suspect reasons for keeping weed illegal; 2) Republicans are no more necessarily law-abiding than Democrats (FYI libertarians are ideally similar to small-gov't Republicans, so I often vote the same way you do); 3) If by "swing both ways" you mean sometimes disagree with Republicans, then yeah: I agree on low-taxes & no-abortion, etc, I disagree on the pointless "war on drugs" and other intrusions into my personal life. Remember, kid, the constituency determines the party platform, not the other way around.

 

[Steve19]

BuckeyeTrail, I agree with a lot of what you say, but people just don't make decisions that are in their own interest and often don't realize that something is harming them longer term. I smoked for 17 years and kept telling myself that I wasn't addicted. It took me years to admit that I was and finally stop.

Marijuana use has been linked to numerous health problems longer term. As you might expect, lung cancer and other problems associated with cigarette smoking are problems for marijuana smokers as well. More alarmingly, it has been tied to chromosome damage. It has been tied to use of stronger drugs. Marijuana use also has been linked to numerous social problems. Although some people do seem to be able to handle it, or at least think they are or appear to be okay, marijuana abusers are more likely to have occupational related problems, family problems and a host of other problems.

None of this is the central issue of this thread, none of it matters. This young man had a scholarship and a place on The Ohio State University football team. Marijuana use is illegal. Marijuana selling is illegal. This is an incredible shame.

To the courageous soul who dinged me saying "pushing the party line" for the message above.

No, the knowledge comes from trying to help a brother who started with weed, advanced to heroin and spent most of his life in alcohol and substance abuse problems thereafter. What that does to a life is not a pretty sight.

If you think weed is good for you, then by all means go right ahead but please come up long enough next time to sign your ding!

 

[sears3820]

Where's the horse abortion emoticon when you need it?!