GeauxTigers99
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LMAO........If I could give you more greenies, I would.NFBuck;1041133; said:
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GeauxTigers99;1041108; said:
Good stats but I do believe his bowl record was posted earlier as 3-2 not 2-0. But the:he beat 5 coaches w/ NCG wins is a bit stale.
Unless you are strictly talking about at LSU only (if so I apologize) however you are using particular stats to benefit you're argument that's not very objective...look at his record as an NCAA head coach period and compare the pros and cons accordingly.
I think les is a very good head coach and his bold playcalling late in games seems to be an advantage vs most of his opponents he's tried it on so far.
The question is how many NC games/SEC title games/BCS games/big games has he won? and how many has he lost?
Marty Schottenheimer (sp?) was a very good coach too but couldn't win those big games but he was still regarded as a very good coach. I'm not going to compare him to any number of coaches because it won't matter.
Maybe the difference with les will be he is willing to risk losing the game to win it when others would have taken the high road. He still has many big games to be coached and I don't see him retiring in the next 2-3 years. Just be careful comparing these two guys and hoping that a majority of buckeye fans will say there isn't a distinct advantage for Tressell.
Tressell is the face of the Ohio State University and is having great success here and at his previous head coaching job at YSU. I would give him an advantage over Miles if the two were to swap teams and play for the NC too. Would you?
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GeauxTigers99;1041108; said:
How nice.
Tressel's record at Ohio State? 73-15 over 7 years.
Big Ten record in 7 years? 45-11 -
Four OOC losses, UCLA 01, South Carolina 01, #2 Texas 05, #2 Florida 06.
Big Ten record over last 3? 21-3
Against Teams rated #2 or higher: 3-2 (If I remember Texas being #2 in 05 correctly)
Against Chief Rival: 6-1
Against unbeatable favroites: 1-0
Record against "The Hat:" 1-0
Ranked #1 in ... something like 18 to 20 of the last 26 polls.
Final rankings include:
2002 - 1
2003 - 4
2005 - 4
2006 - 2
2007 - ?
Number of odd coaching decisions: 2
Number of Heisman winners: 1
Number of NFL picks: A shit load
2 consecutive Big Ten Championships, outright. 4 overall.
BCS Appearances: 5 in 7 years...
I could go on.
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1041171; said:
Plus a 28-game regular-season winning streak (all-time Ohio State record) and a 20-game conference winning streak (all-time Big Ten record).
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BrutuStrength
It's time to bring it!
Sounds like a sticky situation.sluTiger;1041127; said:
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GeauxTigers99
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Yes, those stats are just from Miles' career at LSU.TS10HTW;1041160; said:
And Yes, I would give Tressel the advantage if he were the coach at LSU, just like I give him the advantage as the coach of Ohio State. I'm not arguing the fact of who has a better resume, or who I think the better coach is. I've gone on record saying how impressed I am w/ Jim Tressel as not only a coach, but a great role model in college football. I thought that I had put that in my original post, if not, I should have. I was merely giving the OSU faithful some stats to look at.
I do however agree w/ -LSU-'s comments that Miles doesn't get the respect that he deserves. Regardless of your opinions on him, I would think that you would have to agree that those are pretty impressive stats for a 3rd year coach. But the large majority of people I've discussed this with seems to dismiss everything he's done here w/ one tired excuse or another. I'm not sure even if he comes away w/ a victory on Jan. 7th that he'll be able to convince most of his critics. My guess is 2 or 3 years down the road, when he's playing w/ all of his recruits, we'll all be able to better judge him. As for now, I'm happy to have him as a coach for LSU.
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BayBuck
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GeauxTigers99;1041206; said:
I think that's the main reason why so many are hesitant to jump on the Les-is-a-great-coach bandwagon. He's not the first coach to take over an absolutely loaded team/program basically at its peak and excel (see Larry Coker), but time will tell whether he's really more LSU Les or OK State Miles.
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NateG
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MililaniBuckeye;1040950; said:
We started the erosion in January of 2003.
nateg said:#1295 (permalink)
12-12-2007, 01:38 AM
Tressel
Theres one point saying not to bash Miles, but in no way can you compare him to Tressel. Either the argument is apples and oranges or Tressell IS way ahead of Miles.
1. He beat him in their head to head battle, and it wasnt even close-the only year since the Beli-sorry year(program in shambles thanks to Cooper) where Tress has had 4 losses in a year, (Despite the loss of 28 seniors and a record 14 players who were drafted by the NFL at the end of the 2003 campaign, Tressel guided the 2004 Buckeyes to an 8-4 record that included a win over Michigan in the regular-season finale and a victory over Oklahoma State in the MasterCard Alamo Bowl.) per his biography on Ohio State's site.
2. 3 NC appearances, and one win away, as was argued by a LSU poster, in 2 other years(2003,2005) which by that rational would put him at 5 NC appearances in 7 years. and see above notes for those 2 years.
3. In the last three years 3 of 4 losses have come by the hands of top 3 teams and two of those NC winners(#1TEX,#3PENN ST,#1FLOR) and we will see how Illinois fares in the final polls.(no unranked losses)
4. 6 of 7 against main rival(scUM), 4 of 6 against 2nd said rival (PSU) which i believe I read on here about les beating certain teams consecutively for the first time conference history.
5. 3-1 in BCS Bowl games. 1-1 outside of bcs(again read notes from point 1)
6. 4 of 7 years won big ten(2003 only bcs year-and only loss to scUM)
7. 1-0 against 1-AA teams. Though funny, a sec team(alabama, under saban) failed to do so this year.
And the way it's apples and oranges is due to length of tenure sniffing around title and bcs games.
and for window dressing.
Tressel is a four-time pick as the Division I-AA National Coach of the Year
Chevy National coach of year in 1993,1994,1997
American Football Coaches Association National Coach of the Year in 1991, 1994 and 2002
4 time DIV 1-AA champ
2 time runner up
Only 3 losing seasons EVER as head coach- including first year coaching at YSU and not once at OSU.
10 1-aa playoffs appearances in 15 seasons
a 23-6 playoff record
19 winning seasons in 22 years of head-coaching
Lee(Jim's dad) and Jim are the only father-and-son combination ever to win national championships.
And a class-act professional to boot.
Please by all means if someone would like to post Miles records I'd love to try and compare them. I just thought the stats where pretty clear that Tressel has a SLIGHT edge.
I posted how the difference is more in tenure and stability more than in actual quality on 12/12. Tress is seen as a top teir coach because of how he has sustained his status and legacy where i don't see that Miles in only 7 years of head coaching can "hold Tress's jock". And one reason this won't be a media/bulletin board point is because Tressel is one of the most humble non-brash coaches in the game today. He goes out of his way to be that and if you remember ESPN had coaches call in to petition and they screamed for Tress to call and neither him nor Beamer even got close to picking up their phone. He has always been that way and his consistancy and solid class nature will keep him out of most of those situations. For God's sake his nickname is the "senator". The truth is that head to head Tress blew up Miles in that game(OSU vs OSU), teams were close but coaches werent(in that game). The next 3-5 years, starting with this game(being his first NC), will prove to be how Miles is seen as a coach. I'd like you to come join us then so we can "discuss" it.
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NFBuck;1041179; said:
Texas was #2 and tOSU was #4 (AP poll) going into the '05 game in the 'Shoe.
9/6/05 AP poll
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NateG
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GeauxTigers99;1041108; said:
adding the win and loss for ark and tenn= 33-6 in 3 seasons so far, divided by 3= 11-2 times 7= 77-14
Tressel thru his 7 years- 73-15 (difference in amount of games due to sec title)
If and only IF Miles can sustain what he has done, whether due to Saban's guys or not, then as far as comparing records from LSU to tOSU maybe the discussion would be closer. But by then Tressel could have a record like....
115-24(dividing 73-15 by 7 multiplying by 11)=10/11 wins a season avg with 2-3 losses. That's if tOSU loses 2 next year(most of our guys back), plus the recruiting classes seem to be awesome coming in for tOSU.
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BB73;1041301; said:Texas was #2 and tOSU was #4 (AP poll) going into the '05 game in the 'Shoe.
9/6/05 AP poll
RK..PVS..Team.FPV)..........WLT...PTS...CP
1....1...USC .(61)..........1-0..1,621..--
2....2...Texas (4)..........1-0..1,541..--
3...4...Michigan ..........1-0..1,360..--
4...6...Ohio State ........1-0..1,301..--
5....5...LSU ...............0-0..1,291..--
@ #3 scUM.
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NateG;1041235; said:
Actually, Miami remained a solid team for three seasons after our upset (11-2, 9-3, 9-3). Their declilne didn't start until the 2006 season (7-6) and continued this season (5-7)...
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