GeauxTigers99
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LMAO........If I could give you more greenies, I would.NFBuck;1041133; said:Mother of God...
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LMAO........If I could give you more greenies, I would.NFBuck;1041133; said:Mother of God...
GeauxTigers99;1041108; said:Here are a few stats on Miles' career at LSU that I posted a while back. Being that they are relevant to this discussion, I'll post them again. Bear in mind that I'm not arguing the fact that Miles is a better coach, just posting some stats in favor of Miles. Also, I'm not quite sure which game I posted these after, so they are not completely accurate. I know it was before the Arkansas & Tennessee games.
32-5 = The Hat's Overall Record at LSU
19-4 = The Hat's SEC regular season record
19-0 = The hat's record against unranked teams
13-5 = The Hat's record against Top 25 teams
11-4 = The Hat's record against Top 15 teams
6-3 = The Hat's record against Top 10 teams
6-1 = The Hat's record at home against Top 20 teams
2-0 = The Hat's Bowl Record
19-1 = The Hat's Home record
11-0 = The Hat's record in November
13-1 = The Hat's record against the SEC West
11-3 = The Hat's road record
2 SEC West Titles
Won the SEC West outright for the first time in LSU history
Only LSU coach to ever post 3 straight 10 win seasons
Only LSU coach to ever post back-to-back 11 win seasons
Only the 2nd LSU coach to ever post back-to-back Top 5 finishes, (Paul Dietzel was the other)
Only LSU coach to beat Alabama, Auburn and Florida in the same season, (He has done it twice)
Has come from behind victories over:
#15 Arizona State
#4 Alabama
#15 Auburn
#11 Florida
#8 Tennessee
#9 Florida
#17 Auburn
#17 Alabama
Ranked in the Top 15 in 45 of 45 polls
Ranked in the Top 10 in 39 of 45 polls
Ranked in the Top 5 in 26 of 45 polls
Ranked #1 in 4 of 44 polls
Has beaten 5 National Championship coaches:
1. Larry Coker
2. Phillip Fulmer
3. Steve Spurrier
4. Urban Meyer, (twice)
5. Nick Saban
GeauxTigers99;1041108; said:Here are a few stats on Miles' career at LSU that I posted a while back. Being that they are relevant to this discussion, I'll post them again. Bear in mind that I'm not arguing the fact that Miles is a better coach, just posting some stats in favor of Miles. Also, I'm not quite sure which game I posted these after, so they are not completely accurate. I know it was before the Arkansas & Tennessee games.
32-5 = The Hat's Overall Record at LSU
19-4 = The Hat's SEC regular season record
19-0 = The hat's record against unranked teams
13-5 = The Hat's record against Top 25 teams
11-4 = The Hat's record against Top 15 teams
6-3 = The Hat's record against Top 10 teams
6-1 = The Hat's record at home against Top 20 teams
2-0 = The Hat's Bowl Record
19-1 = The Hat's Home record
11-0 = The Hat's record in November
13-1 = The Hat's record against the SEC West
11-3 = The Hat's road record
2 SEC West Titles
Won the SEC West outright for the first time in LSU history
Only LSU coach to ever post 3 straight 10 win seasons
Only LSU coach to ever post back-to-back 11 win seasons
Only the 2nd LSU coach to ever post back-to-back Top 5 finishes, (Paul Dietzel was the other)
Only LSU coach to beat Alabama, Auburn and Florida in the same season, (He has done it twice)
Has come from behind victories over:
#15 Arizona State
#4 Alabama
#15 Auburn
#11 Florida
#8 Tennessee
#9 Florida
#17 Auburn
#17 Alabama
Ranked in the Top 15 in 45 of 45 polls
Ranked in the Top 10 in 39 of 45 polls
Ranked in the Top 5 in 26 of 45 polls
Ranked #1 in 4 of 44 polls
Has beaten 5 National Championship coaches:
1. Larry Coker
2. Phillip Fulmer
3. Steve Spurrier
4. Urban Meyer, (twice)
5. Nick Saban
Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1041171; said:How nice.
Tressel's record at Ohio State? 73-15 over 7 years.
Big Ten record in 7 years? 45-11 -
Four OOC losses, UCLA 01, South Carolina 01, #2 Texas 05, #2 Florida 06.
Big Ten record over last 3? 21-3
Against Teams rated #2 or higher: 3-2 (If I remember Texas being #2 in 05 correctly)
Against Chief Rival: 6-1
Against unbeatable favroites: 1-0
Record against "The Hat:" 1-0
Ranked #1 in ... something like 18 to 20 of the last 26 polls.
Final rankings include:
2002 - 1
2003 - 4
2005 - 4
2006 - 2
2007 - ?
Number of odd coaching decisions: 2
Number of Heisman winners: 1
Number of NFL picks: A shit load
2 consecutive Big Ten Championships, outright. 4 overall.
BCS Appearances: 5 in 7 years...
I could go on.
IIRC the Horns were #3 going into the game.Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1041171; said:Against Teams rated #2 or higher: 3-2 (If I remember Texas being #2 in 05 correctly)
Sounds like a sticky situation.sluTiger;1041127; said:Tressel has the relentless stinging jab that runs like a jackhammer and is very light on his feet, but Miles takes him down in the 10th round with a viscous right cross....
Yes, those stats are just from Miles' career at LSU.TS10HTW;1041160; said:Good stats but I do believe his bowl record was posted earlier as 3-2 not 2-0. But the:he beat 5 coaches w/ NCG wins is a bit stale.
Unless you are strictly talking about at LSU only (if so I apologize) however you are using particular stats to benefit you're argument that's not very objective...look at his record as an NCAA head coach period and compare the pros and cons accordingly............
............Tressell is the face of the Ohio State University and is having great success here and at his previous head coaching job at YSU. I would give him an advantage over Miles if the two were to swap teams and play for the NC too. Would you?
GeauxTigers99;1041206; said:My guess is 2 or 3 years down the road, when he's playing w/ all of his recruits, we'll all be able to better judge him.
MililaniBuckeye;1040950; said:Coker: Beat Coker's 2005 Miami team that was in the beginning of their collapse. So-so.
nateg said:#1295 (permalink)
12-12-2007, 01:38 AM
Tressel
Theres one point saying not to bash Miles, but in no way can you compare him to Tressel. Either the argument is apples and oranges or Tressell IS way ahead of Miles.
1. He beat him in their head to head battle, and it wasnt even close-the only year since the Beli-sorry year(program in shambles thanks to Cooper) where Tress has had 4 losses in a year, (Despite the loss of 28 seniors and a record 14 players who were drafted by the NFL at the end of the 2003 campaign, Tressel guided the 2004 Buckeyes to an 8-4 record that included a win over Michigan in the regular-season finale and a victory over Oklahoma State in the MasterCard Alamo Bowl.) per his biography on Ohio State's site.
2. 3 NC appearances, and one win away, as was argued by a LSU poster, in 2 other years(2003,2005) which by that rational would put him at 5 NC appearances in 7 years. and see above notes for those 2 years.
3. In the last three years 3 of 4 losses have come by the hands of top 3 teams and two of those NC winners(#1TEX,#3PENN ST,#1FLOR) and we will see how Illinois fares in the final polls.(no unranked losses)
4. 6 of 7 against main rival(scUM), 4 of 6 against 2nd said rival (PSU) which i believe I read on here about les beating certain teams consecutively for the first time conference history.
5. 3-1 in BCS Bowl games. 1-1 outside of bcs(again read notes from point 1)
6. 4 of 7 years won big ten(2003 only bcs year-and only loss to scUM)
7. 1-0 against 1-AA teams. Though funny, a sec team(alabama, under saban) failed to do so this year.
And the way it's apples and oranges is due to length of tenure sniffing around title and bcs games.
and for window dressing.
Tressel is a four-time pick as the Division I-AA National Coach of the Year
Chevy National coach of year in 1993,1994,1997
American Football Coaches Association National Coach of the Year in 1991, 1994 and 2002
4 time DIV 1-AA champ
2 time runner up
Only 3 losing seasons EVER as head coach- including first year coaching at YSU and not once at OSU.
10 1-aa playoffs appearances in 15 seasons
a 23-6 playoff record
19 winning seasons in 22 years of head-coaching
Lee(Jim's dad) and Jim are the only father-and-son combination ever to win national championships.
And a class-act professional to boot.
Please by all means if someone would like to post Miles records I'd love to try and compare them. I just thought the stats where pretty clear that Tressel has a SLIGHT edge.
NFBuck;1041179; said:IIRC the Horns were #3 going into the game.
GeauxTigers99;1041108; said:32-5 = The Hat's Overall Record at LSU
BB73;1041301; said:Texas was #2 and tOSU was #4 (AP poll) going into the '05 game in the 'Shoe.
9/6/05 AP poll
RK..PVS..Team.FPV)..........WLT...PTS...CP
1....1...USC .(61)..........1-0..1,621..--
2....2...Texas (4)..........1-0..1,541..--
3...4...Michigan ..........1-0..1,360..--
4...6...Ohio State ........1-0..1,301..--
5....5...LSU ...............0-0..1,291..--
NateG;1041235; said:We started the erosion in January of 2003.
MililaniBuckeye;1041430; said:Actually, Miami remained a solid team for three seasons after our upset (11-2, 9-3, 9-3). Their declilne didn't start until Butch Davis' players have all moved on..