Miles vs. Tressel

[ray6072]

I think one thing that is getting ignored is that Miles is a CEO type coach, generally choosing to let his oc and dc do the gameplanning. I'd say his OC an DC are probably way better than what he had at Okie State and I think that will make a big difference. He'll make the calls to go for it, and i agree with the LSU poster who said that he agreed with every call. The touchdown pass to Byrd i had no confidence at that point of Colt making that field goal, plus if that pass drops incomplete, there still should be 3 or 4 sec's on the clock. I am sure people are tired of lsu fan's saying that but it is the truth and keeps being brought up incorrectly. For those who haven't seen the replay close, check it out. The clock got a lil hometown cooking and ran for bout 3 seconds after he caught the ball. i also agreed with all the fourth down calls against florida. They were not going to stop Hester that game. I agree that Miles takes more risks than most coaches, but i believe they are calculated risks. He has said as much after the florida games(I think that one) they have plays set up for down and distance and situations they think are favorable and if they are in one of those situations, they will consider going for it. They felt they could violate the florida D and did, and wanted to keep Tebow off the field. I agree that Tressel is a better coach, but i don't think the difference is as big as y'all are making it.

 

[jwinslow]

The touchdown pass to Byrd i had no confidence at that point of Colt making that field goal, plus if that pass drops incomplete, there still should be 3 or 4 sec's on the clock. I am sure people are tired of lsu fan's saying that but it is the truth and keeps being brought up incorrectly. For those who haven't seen the replay close, check it out. The clock got a lil hometown cooking and ran for bout 3 seconds after he caught the ball.

That ball could easily have been intercepted... which is one of the aspects of the 'reckless' label.

I agree that Tressel is a better coach, but i don't think the difference is as big as y'all are making it.

I think there's an important distinction between coaching ability & coaching production. Tressel has a major edge in the latter, as far as his resume. But like many of y'all are arguing, that does not preclude him from coaching well on this stage.

Personally, I don't expect Les to have much trouble coaching on this level (of game), and can certainly win. But I do hope he continues the gambling, because at some point the probability has to catch up to him. Unless there is more to those voodoo jokes I see on the LSU boards

 

[LSUTyga73]

I think one thing that is getting ignored is that Miles is a CEO type coach, generally choosing to let his oc and dc do the gameplanning. I'd say his OC an DC are probably way better than what he had at Okie State and I think that will make a big difference. He'll make the calls to go for it, and i agree with the LSU poster who said that he agreed with every call. The touchdown pass to Byrd i had no confidence at that point of Colt making that field goal, plus if that pass drops incomplete, there still should be 3 or 4 sec's on the clock. I am sure people are tired of lsu fan's saying that but it is the truth and keeps being brought up incorrectly. For those who haven't seen the replay close, check it out. The clock got a lil hometown cooking and ran for bout 3 seconds after he caught the ball. i also agreed with all the fourth down calls against florida. They were not going to stop Hester that game. I agree that Miles takes more risks than most coaches, but i believe they are calculated risks. He has said as much after the florida games(I think that one) they have plays set up for down and distance and situations they think are favorable and if they are in one of those situations, they will consider going for it. They felt they could violate the florida D and did, and wanted to keep Tebow off the field. I agree that Tressel is a better coach, but i don't think the difference is as big as y'all are making it.

I defintely agree that Miles is a CEO type coach. It helps when you have elite coordinators to help out as well. And I'm sure Tressel has the same type coordinators too, although you don't hear too much about them on the national stage.
LSU has definitely been a hotbed for coordinators/assistants, but as a result we lose a lot (Will Muschamp AKA "Boom Motherf*cker!", Jimbo Fisher, next HC at FSU, Derek Dooley, HC at Latech., and Bo Pelini, new HC at Nebraska)

Some of the first few 4th down conversions against UF were iffy, but the last ones were ones I definitely agreed with. 2 came on the last drive of the game in which we needed to score on.

In my opinion, it says more about Miles trusting his players and letting them play to win the game rather than him being a riverboat gambler. Sure some of them were ballsy, but as a player you can't help but be motivated to get execute the play if your head coach is willing to go against the norm and give you the opportunity.
Tressel is a great coach and a very classy man, I don't think anyone could say anything negative about the man outside of his fashion sense . Maybe I'll wear a purple and gold sweater vest in honor of him for the game.

 

[LSUTyga73]

That ball could easily have been intercepted...which is one of the aspects of the 'reckless' label

True, but if thats the case, you should blame Matt Flynn or whover for that. It's the QB's responsibility to throw the ball far and away where its either caught or incomplete. The play call was great, the throw itself was actually very risky. Had the Auburn DB turned around or stuck his hand out it would have been incomplete, but I guess that's all kind of pointless to argue about now.

.I think there's an important distinction between coaching ability & coaching production. Tressel has a major edge in the latter, as far as his resume. But like many of y'all are arguing, that does not preclude him from coaching well on this stage.

Personally, I don't expect Les to have much trouble coaching on this level (of game), and can certainly win. But I do hope he continues the gambling, because at some point the probability has to catch up to him. Unless there is more to those voodoo jokes I see on the LSU boards

Coaching ability is very hard to compare at this level. Tressel has his team #1 and Miles has his team #2 so both coaches are obviously the best two this year.
Tressel has the better resume...so far. But if JT were at Okie State I think he would be at around where Miles is now with regards to career coaching record. There's only so much you can do at Okie State. If Miles keeps up his pace at LSU, he will catch up to JT and maybe pass him. Not bashing him at all, but a 11-2 yearly pace will definitely put you near or at the top.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

I defintely agree that Miles is a CEO type coach. It helps when you have elite coordinators to help out as well. And I'm sure Tressel has the same type coordinators too, although you don't hear too much about them on the national stage.
LSU has definitely been a hotbed for coordinators/assistants, but as a result we lose a lot (Will Muschamp AKA "Boom Motherf*cker!", Jimbo Fisher, next HC at FSU, Derek Dooley, HC at Latech., and Bo Pelini, new HC at Nebraska)

Some of the first few 4th down conversions against UF were iffy, but the last ones were ones I definitely agreed with. 2 came on the last drive of the game in which we needed to score on.

In my opinion, it says more about Miles trusting his players and letting them play to win the game rather than him being a riverboat gambler. Sure some of them were ballsy, but as a player you can't help but be motivated to get execute the play if your head coach is willing to go against the norm and give you the opportunity.
Tressel is a great coach and a very classy man, I don't think anyone could say anything negative about the man outside of his fashion sense . Maybe I'll wear a purple and gold sweater vest in honor of him for the game.

I really wish the LSU posters would decide to research or at least ask first before making such replies. Our DC just won the assistant of the year award. We had trouble keeping a DC for a few years cause they kept getting HC jobs. I'll let someone like Mili finish finding all the facts, cause he's good at it and I'm too lazy to do it at work.

 

[NateG]

We started the erosion in January of 2003.

The fact that they werent a team with a bad record until then isnt the point. After we beat them they just werent the same team or program. If you look at your post it shows the steady decline or "erosion " that teams like Miami and other programs have shown. They went from 12-1(after our defeat) to 11-2 down to 7-6 in 3-4 years that is an erosion of a program and even if you dont agree I'll always believe that our "upset" of them started it.

 

[sluTiger]

That ball could easily have been intercepted... which is one of the aspects of the 'reckless' label.I think there's an important distinction between coaching ability & coaching production. Tressel has a major edge in the latter, as far as his resume. But like many of y'all are arguing, that does not preclude him from coaching well on this stage.

I do not think so, look at the play. The Auburn defender was not even expecting the ball to be thrown. He interfered with Byrd and did not even look for the ball. The safety in the play is that it was not expected. NO ONE expected LSU to throw that pass. It was a good call that worked, if it did not work then LSU still had time on the clock for the winning field goal. David from 40+ is not a sure thing.

Tressel is a good coach, but so is Miles. There is no coaching advantage for either team in this game because both win an asspile of games. They know what they are doing.

 

[smith403]

I really wish the LSU posters would decide to research or at least ask first before making such replies. Our DC just won the assistant of the year award. We had trouble keeping a DC for a few years cause they kept getting HC jobs. I'll let someone like Mili finish finding all the facts, cause he's good at it and I'm too lazy to do it at work.

You're right, Mili will have all the facts...here's a start on the facts

Four have gone on to become head coaches in Division I, including Michigan State's Mark Dantonio, Youngstown State's Jon Heacock, Kansas' Mark Mangino and Marshall's Mark Snyder)...no you don't hear much about Tressel assistants (past or present)

 

[MD Buckeye]

Tressel > *

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

The fact that they werent a team with a bad record until then isnt the point. After we beat them they just werent the same team or program. If you look at your post it shows the steady decline or "erosion " that teams like Miami and other programs have shown. They went from 12-1(after our defeat) to 11-2 down to 7-6 in 3-4 years that is an erosion of a program and even if you dont agree I'll always believe that our "upset" of them started it.

Miami's erosion started before we beat them. They were dominant in '01, less so in '02. There were times in '02 where they slept-walked their way to a close victory over a vastly inferior Big East opponent.

There are several levels of coaching that every coach in D1 has to do. Everyone who gets a head-coaching job in D1 is good at one of the levels at least, but few are good at all of them.

• Coaching Players
  • The "CEO coaches" don't even do this part. Tressel is among the best at knowing how to coach technique for almost every position (everyone but kickers, I've heard).
• Play-Calling
  • Some are better than others, but this is easily the most over-rated part of a head man's job in terms of importance.
• Drive Management / Field Position Management
  • Some coaches don't even bother with this. Tressel is a master of it.
• Game-Planning
  • Some coaches don't even bother with this. Tressel is very good at it most of the time.
• Season Management
  • Some coaches act like they don't even know what this means. Tressel is the best in the nation at this, and there's a big gap between him and whoever #2 might be.
• Program Management
  • Tressel is a master at this
  • This is where Coker failed

Coker game-planned OK, and even managed seasons OK; but he was an abject failure at program management. Coker inherited a team that his season management skills could get to a national championship. Then the program deteriorated a little every year he was there. The second year, the team was still talented enough to get to the NC game (through a Big East schedule); but they were very over-rated, especially on the o-line. They haven't been a championship caliber team since.

I still remember the Miami fans ignorantly claiming that OSU would "soon return to mediocrity" after the 2002/2003 title game...
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[Sportsbuck28]

I do not think so, look at the play. The Auburn defender was not even expecting the ball to be thrown. He interfered with Byrd and did not even look for the ball. The safety in the play is that it was not expected. NO ONE expected LSU to throw that pass. It was a good call that worked, if it did not work then LSU still had time on the clock for the winning field goal. David from 40+ is not a sure thing.

Tressel is a good coach, but so is Miles. There is no coaching advantage for either team in this game because both win an asspile of games. They know what they are doing.

6/9 from 40-49 yards is anything but automatic.

And there is a significant coaching difference but you can't seem to get it through your thick skull.

I'll make the difference really simple for you. Jim Tressel has enough NCAA Championship rings to cover a full hand, while Leslie has zero.

 

[Pheasant]

6/9 from 40-49 yards is anything but automatic.

And there is a significant coaching difference but you can't seem to get it through your thick skull.

I'll make the difference really simple for you. Jim Tressel has enough NCAA Championship rings to cover a full hand, while Leslie has zero.

Maybe he argued the field goal was automatic in a previous post, but he didn't in the one you quoted.

sluTiger is an idiot, I'll give you that, and there is a significant difference in coaching styles, but how significant that difference is to winning and losing is yet to be seen.

How many NCAA championship rings did Urban Meyer have on 1/7/07? You can't argue Tressel outcoached him in the game on the 8th.

I think Tressel is a superior coach to Les Miles, and I think it will be evident during the game...but Miles is a good coach, and we haven't seen him on the biggest stage yet. He may prove to be a great coach in the next couple of years, but he's certainly performed well so far in his first stint as the top dog at an elite program.

 

[lsuownz]

this thread is stupid.
if LSU wins we will all say CLM is the better coach and if OSU wins(god help me) we will say CJT is the better coach.either way their both very good coaches that have something that the other doesnt.

lol i think its funny how the closer we get to the game the more sensitive we all get to our teams.

 

[BuckeyeCrazy107]

this thread is stupid.
if LSU wins we will all say CLM is the better coach and if OSU wins(god help me) we will say CJT is the better coach.either way their both very good coaches that have something that the other doesnt.

lol i think its funny how the closer we get to the game the more sensitive we all get to our teams.

I don't think that will happen at all. Just because a team wins doesn't mean their coach is better. That would be implying that Ron Zook is a better coach than Senator Tressel !

 

[lsuownz]

I don't think that will happen at all. Just because a team wins doesn't mean their coach is better. That would be implying that Ron Zook is a better coach than Senator Tressel !

i agree 100% but thats what most ppl will say.