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Miles vs. Tressel

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Go back and look at the responses in this thread, and the attitude from which they were posted. If you tell me that they aren't biased at least a little bit then you're insulting my intelligence.
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I can say the exact same thing for you. If a California journalist were asked to compare the two resumes, there would be no comparison. Would he add a 'yeah, but...' at the end of such analysis? Stating this obvious discrepancy is not biased. Will Miles develop his resume in 2 weeks? Perhaps, but at this point it's not nearly the same.
Why are you only quoting those supposedly non-bias "numbers" (numbers are never biased, are they?) while not talking about the relative strengths or weaknesses of each coach?
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Sorry, but please follow your own advice before chastising us. Where is your talk about Miles' & Tressel's relative strengths & weaknesses? You chose to talk about a select group of statistics, Miles facing NC coaches, in your initial post.
 
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Yes, where are your points, other than coaches who have won NC? A comparison that does not give Miles any edge over Tressel.

How many total wins does Miles have versus Tressel?
What is Miles winning pct. versus Tressel's?
How many Conference Championships does Miles have versus Tressel?
How many National Championships does Miles have versus Tressel?
How many "coach of the year" awards has Miles won versus Tressel?
What is their head to head record?

This is the criteria we are using. As it has been pointed out, it was your question, but when given solid reasoning as to why we think Tress is a better coach than Miles, by a significant margin, we all of a sudden are accused of getting in a pissing match.

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-LSU-;1040988; said:
Miles as being a "reckless" coach is totally a media creation. I have agreed with every single one of those calls and I'm glad we have a coach who will play to win the game. I would be much more worried if we had a Brian Billick type who kicks the field goal on the one yard line to play for OT rather than showing confidence in his team and going for the win right then and there.
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Read this cleary, because you've yet to do so.

I said "RELATIVELY reckless calls". This is stated in RELATION to what is perceived as normal game calling. When your coach goes for a TD and time is short EVEN WHEN THE GAME CAN BE WON WITH A FIELD GOAL; then that is reckless.

No where have I written that Miles' is a shit coach or derided him. It's factual content that I have presented unlike yourself.
 
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-LSU-;1040873; said:
How does everyone think the coaching staff matchup will play itself out? The gut reaction is to say this is a strong advantage for Ohio State, but it should be noted that Miles has beaten 6 different coaches who have won crystal trophies:

Stoops
Fulmer
Meyer
Saban
Spurrier
Coker
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This is about the worst way of measuring the ability of a coach that I can think of. Just as a quick example, think of it this way: Paterno's been coaching for about 50 years. Don't you think over the course of those hundreds of games, that he has had teams that simply didn't have as much talent as the team on the other side of the field? I'll bet there are some coaches that have beaten Paterno-led teams (and Miles-led teams, to bring the example home), that you've never even heard of or that you think are horrible coaches. Does this mean that these also-rans are better coaches than Paterno or Miles? Of course not. See the ridiculousness of your metric yet?
 
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muffler dragon;1041045; said:
I said "RELATIVELY reckless calls". This is stated in RELATION to what is perceived as normal game calling. When your coach goes for a TD and time is short EVEN WHEN THE GAME CAN BE WON WITH A FIELD GOAL; then that is reckless.
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My fuzzy memory tells me a FG attempt would have been between 35 - 40 yards. Colt had already missed two previous FG attempts. Had Flynn not mismanaged the clock there would have been plenty of time left to attempt the FG had the pass been incomplete. We still had one TO.
 
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-LSU-;1041012; said:
I suppose I overestimated Ohio State fans' ability to have a non-partisan discussion about the subject.
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If we were gonna be partisan about it... we'd just say he's bat shit crazy... dismiss him as a wannabe scUMmer.

You what you aren't grasping... or maybe you are... is that your "list" is very similar to the argument (which I feel to be irrelevant) about Tressel beating Miles at Okie State. Without going through the whole thing... you can quickly realize that a lot of those wins were cases where LSU had superior talent/program than the win... I mean... I'm presuming the Saban win was vs. Alabama.... Coker was after Miami went into a tailspin, etc. Now... the Stoops and Meyer thing... not bad at all... no idea when he beat Oklahoma, but I'm gonna assume that was a pretty big upset... though I think you guys were probably farvored over a (pardon the pun) defenseless Florida squad this year....

Anyway... I don't think anyone is denying that Miles has done enough to get you guys here... and... that's good. But the challenge is to acheive and sustain success at a high level. Miles is still "unproven" in that regard... its not a knock on him... it is what it is. There aren't many Pete Carrolls, Bob Stoops, and Jim Tressels around...
 
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COTiger;1041059; said:
My fuzzy memory tells me a FG attempt would have been between 35 - 40 yards. Colt had already missed two previous FG attempts. Had Flynn not mismanaged the clock there would have been plenty of time left to attempt the FG had the pass been incomplete. We still had one TO.
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Are you attempting to defend the decision by Miles or refute my claim that it was relatively reckless?
 
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-LSU-;1041025; said:
Go back and look at the responses in this thread, and the attitude from which they were posted. If you tell me that they aren't biased at least a little bit then you're insulting my intelligence.
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Of course they're going to be biased...it's an Ohio State forum. I'd imagine I'd get the same responses from LSU fans on one of LSU's bigger chat boards. I don't see any disrepect towards Miles. Sure, we may rag him a bit about his "daring" playcalling and for the fact he's a "Michigan man", but I don;t see anyone saying he sucks as a coach. I feel that Tressel and Miles are polar opposites in coaching style, yet they both get results. I, along my most here, just feel that Tressel has produced--or proved--more as a head coach in big game situations that has Miles.
 
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Both coaches are 1-0 in bowls when going head-to-head with the guy with the "'schematic advantage" over the rest of the college coaching world.

So the coaching matchup is clearly dead even. :biggrin:

It seems like there are lots of chips on shoulders lately. Jan. 7th can't get here soon enough.
 
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-LSU-;1040997; said:
We all know Tressel is a great coach but some of these posts are trying to make it sound like Miles is a pushover.
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I don't think that's the point being made, more below.

-LSU-;1041029; said:
I'm irritated because I tried to have a good football conversation and it turned into a pissing match.
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Then please devise a metric that is wholly fair and non-partisan.

As it is, the metric you introduced, being that Miles has previously coached games and won against NC title holders provides specious reasoning at best. Sure it looks good on paper when it's put forth that way, but when someone goes through each of those wins and dissects them for what they were, such as Mili has done, it really exposes how those wins are not as special as you would present them to be.

I was going to type more to this, but it appears that S&G has already covered much what I was going to say.

So I'll conclude this post by mentioning that while we are an admittedly partisaned lot, we do try to look at most things in a reasonably objective light. I think you'll find that's what separates this site from other Buckeye fan sites. And while we believe our coach might have a considerable edge over Miles, we are keenly aware that such an edge doesn't always play out as expected on the field. I'm sure most of us felt Tressel had a nice edge over Meyer last year too, but if he did have any sort of an edge, it didn't show on the field that night.

The simple reality is that coaches have to be good to get their teams to a championship game in the first place.
 
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COTiger;1041059; said:
My fuzzy memory tells me a FG attempt would have been between 35 - 40 yards. Colt had already missed two previous FG attempts. Had Flynn not mismanaged the clock there would have been plenty of time left to attempt the FG had the pass been incomplete. We still had one TO.
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The clock mismanagement really is the issue. And the buck stops with Miles on that one... he can call TO's too. (Not to mention he's the head coach... so its ultimately his responsibility) And, after having watched the LSU, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky and Arkansas games... overall clock management by Miles is reasonably poor, IMO. Cost you the Kentucky game for sure... almost lost the Florida and Auburn games- obviously. Don't remember any galring "wtf's" in the Arkansas game.... just in most of those games it struck me how much LSU was noncahalant with the clock when behind... and... then didn't use the clock to its advantage with the lead.
 
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