Michigan State Spartans (official thread)

[colobuck79]

Additionally, if you were born in a shitty place like Penn. Well that is your sorry ass lot in life. You can of course jump but.....

I have a very good friend who grew up just South of Columbus and is a fan of SCum. So do you Buckeye fans find that OK when one of your own chooses poorly? Or do your Laissez Faire attitudes only apply to people in places where you hate the local teams? I am waiting for this answer because I think we all know your feelings about this kind of person And trust me I only met him later in life. I have met his HS buddies and lets just say they are less than impressed with his choices.

Brady Fred Flintstone Hoke?

 

[Greyshirt]

Brady Fred Flintstone Hoke?

Ironically if I said his name I can promise you that some on here would know his name. And he would probably murder me as he is a pretty private person which is to say it is likely he would never find out as he is not much for social media or message boards.

I find people from Ohio that choose to be SCum fans to be really really strange. Like you just do not see that up here in Michigan. Now maybe it is because we have us Spartan fans already so it could be that some people want to feel they can choose and since their is only tOSU they then choose SCum (sorry but I just do not see Cincy as that relevant even if they might be better than MSU).

And I agree with someone who coined it "picking the rival just to be a D**K".

Have a great HUMP day men.

 

[kujirakira]

I went to Indiana
Why does Ohio State hate online courses so much

 

[Bestbuck36]

Ironically if I said his name I can promise you that some on here would know his name. And he would probably murder me as he is a pretty private person which is to say it is likely he would never find out as he is not much for social media or message boards.

I find people from Ohio that choose to be SCum fans to be really really strange. Like you just do not see that up here in Michigan. Now maybe it is because we have us Spartan fans already so it could be that some people want to feel they can choose and since their is only tOSU they then choose SCum (sorry but I just do not see Cincy as that relevant even if they might be better than MSU).

And I agree with someone who coined it "picking the rival just to be a D**K".

Have a great HUMP day men.

Bud I am the most ridiculous Buckeye fan and is in my blood but I chose to save money on my MBA and not go to Fisher at my favorite place on Earth. Now I live in Arizona where I did my undergrad but I don't actively root for ASU. The heart wants what the heart wants man.

 

[cincibuck]

I went to Indiana
Why does Ohio State hate online courses so much

Which response you want, from someone who took an on-line course or someone who taught them? As a teacher, they really sucked. It took a lot more prep time to set up the tech clips. The students had to be forced to turn their cameras on. I was amazed at how much I depend on "reading" student faces to tell me what they understood or didn't understand.

For some of the same reasons, I disliked most on-line classes I took. My fellow students did interact with each other or the professor. Items that were put on the "board" didn't stay in view long enough to write them down. I guess the best word I can think of to describe on-line ed is cold.

 

[colobuck79]

Which response you want, from someone who took an on-line course or someone who taught them? As a teacher, they really sucked. It took a lot more prep time to set up the tech clips. The students had to be forced to turn their cameras on. I was amazed at how much I depend on "reading" student faces to tell me what they understood or didn't understand.

For some of the same reasons, I disliked most on-line classes I took. My fellow students did interact with each other or the professor. Items that were put on the "board" didn't stay in view long enough to write them down. I guess the best word I can think of to describe on-line ed is cold.

This. The next generation will have no ability to read body language resulting from zoom calls and online classes.

 

[Zurp]

This. The next generation will have no ability to read body language resulting from zoom calls and online classes.

So sometime a long time ago, I got put in charge of our department's safety meetings. I used to have to find a time when everyone would be in (and it's a department of field technicians, so it's hard to find a time when everyone is in) and go over information that no one cares to listen to. We're supposed to discuss it and have a full conversation. And it always sucked. People forced to talk about stuff that they don't want to talk about. Stuff taking them away from any productivity.

But then a bunch of stuff happened, including COVID and layoffs. Now, I get to do these meetings over Teams. Now there's 4 offices of technicians. And no one wants to turn cameras on. So it's just talking to my blank screen. No one ever has a response to anything. There is no conversation. No one wants to talk in front of other offices' technicians. So now it isn't a conversation. Just me talking. They could be asleep or who knows.

I imagine online classes being similar to that.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I imagine online classes being similar to that

My experience was you had to post something on Blackboard amd then reply to 1 to 3 posts from other students. It contributed nothing and I hated it. Most replies were something like, "I agree" or "I never thought of it that way." Um, Stacey, I only said 2+2=4. Got an A+ though.

 

[Greyshirt]

Which response you want, from someone who took an on-line course or someone who taught them? As a teacher, they really sucked. It took a lot more prep time to set up the tech clips. The students had to be forced to turn their cameras on. I was amazed at how much I depend on "reading" student faces to tell me what they understood or didn't understand.

For some of the same reasons, I disliked most on-line classes I took. My fellow students did interact with each other or the professor. Items that were put on the "board" didn't stay in view long enough to write them down. I guess the best word I can think of to describe on-line ed is cold.

This is very interesting. My youngest just graduated from St. Mary's in Indiana (an all girls college). That place was one of the first back to school (covid) and they send personal written letters to the girls and even the parents. Like in cursive....I know I know. So they are very old school and hands on type of place. Like you miss class the the prof will send someone to check on you place.
Now she is getting her nursing degree from Eastern Michigan and needed to take a couple of courses on-line. She is so pissed because a big part of the grade is some online discussion posts you need to make with other students. And she is not lazy. She is someone who likes to be 15 minutes early and also would do papers 2-3 weeks early and take them into the teachers to get feedback and then do corrections on them and get all As. So now she has to wait until the last 3-4 hours before you have this discussion posts completed online because no one else does this crap ahead of time. She even call the profession the first week and complained and he was like "sorry but this is what it is".

Online learning is not learning. And it eliminates a huge part of the learning experience which is learning how to interact with humans as an adult.

 

[kujirakira]

Which response you want, from someone who took an on-line course or someone who taught them? As a teacher, they really sucked. It took a lot more prep time to set up the tech clips. The students had to be forced to turn their cameras on. I was amazed at how much I depend on "reading" student faces to tell me what they understood or didn't understand.

For some of the same reasons, I disliked most on-line classes I took. My fellow students did interact with each other or the professor. Items that were put on the "board" didn't stay in view long enough to write them down. I guess the best word I can think of to describe on-line ed is cold.

All of mine have been on Canvas. Watch prerecorded lecture videos. Do homework. Make 3-5 posts on a message board each week. Usually 1 quiz per week, a midterm and a final.
Math degree, so... you either get it or not ? I don't know.
Message boards were hit and miss. There were also optional weekly office hours i almost never went to, cameras optional. People would talk with the TA.
I agree it's not the best, in person is better. But not an option if you work.


Ironically now looking at CU' master program on coursera.
Have also considered GTech' distance masters programs.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Sounds more like an issue with the design of the course and the other students than an issue with online learning itself. My niece had two years of sporadic online during high school due to Covid and did totally fine and is now kicking ass as a freshman in college. And my wife taught drawing and painting online during that same period and the vast majority of her students did fine, too. Sure, some students couldn’t be bothered to show up online or mailed it in, but that‘s not unique to online learning. She dealt with that just as much in-person her last couple semesters.

I’m not saying that there aren’t benefits from in-person learning (including the importance of personal interactions), but I also don’t see any reason why its mandatory to sit silently in a lecture hall with 200+ other students just to hear a professor read a slideshow for an hour when I can watch the exact same power point presentation from home without the annoyance of commuting down to campus. Hell, if the professor makes the video available afterwards so that students can refer back to it, that’s a plus to online learning. My wife made videos of all of her online classes available so that they could rewatch the techniques and skills she was teaching. That was never available in person before. Now she even records the in-person classes so that students have that added access.

Same for WFH. As long as the work is getting done, why on earth does the person need to be sitting in a cubicle all day to do the same thing?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

To keep it on topic with Sparty, think about how much more awkward it is if you want to play with yourself in person versus online!

 

[muffler dragon]

I am always a bit torn on the MAC grads rooting for a B10 team. But I guess you can work around the idea of big time football verses smaller division football. But it does tend to hurt my brain.

Not that it matters, but I am an example of this.
Born and raised a Buckeye, went to Eastern Michigan because they had a program that I wanted to study in.
I root for the Buckeyes first and foremost in everything. I follow the Hurons/Eagles, because of the time spent there, but it doesn't match where my heart is. Not that it matters, but I would've been accepted into Ohio State had I applied. Sometimes I regret not doing so, but also having so many previous schoolmates having attended there at the time and then subsequently leaving early due to poor decisions. My choice/study path was and is the best for me. I've looked into online courses at tOSU, but at the rates for online, not a fkn chance as a married man with a family.

 

[cincibuck]

Sounds more like an issue with the design of the course and the other students than an issue with online learning itself. My niece had two years of sporadic online during high school due to Covid and did totally fine and is now kicking ass as a freshman in college. And my wife taught drawing and painting online during that same period and the vast majority of her students did fine, too. Sure, some students couldn’t be bothered to show up online or mailed it in, but that‘s not unique to online learning. She dealt with that just as much in-person her last couple semesters.

I’m not saying that there aren’t benefits from in-person learning (including the importance of personal interactions), but I also don’t see any reason why its mandatory to sit silently in a lecture hall with 200+ other students just to hear a professor read a slideshow for an hour when I can watch the exact same power point presentation from home without the annoyance of commuting down to campus. Hell, if the professor makes the video available afterwards so that students can refer back to it, that’s a plus to online learning. My wife made videos of all of her online classes available so that they could rewatch the techniques and skills she was teaching. That was never available in person before. Now she even records the in-person classes so that students have that added access.

Same for WFH. As long as the work is getting done, why on earth does the person need to be sitting in a cubicle all day to do the same thing?

Yeah, but in my days at OSU I had a total of six lecture hall courses, history of theatre, philosophy of education, Greek mythology, geology, one in psychology, and one in speech anatomy and disorders. The last was taught by a woman who could pinpoint where students grew up just from hearing them pronounce two or three words. In each of those cases, we had small group sessions with a GTA.

I agree that in such cases Zoom would have been fine.

 

[Bestbuck36]

I did my undergrad at ASU in person. Plenty of other reasons to go in-person than to see the profs if you know what I mean. However, I have done both of my Masters through distance learning. Yeah, the Discussion Boards basically suck but there is no more "I agree" and "I see your points". You have to make a substantial contribution to the discussion with a peer reviewed reference to get credit for it. That includes your own post and the responses so it's really a pain in the ass because I dont like people so much. The other issue is I'm 50 and I'm trying to discuss things with late 20's and 30 year olds half the time who might be at their first jobs. It is challenging and you still have to interact. Some courses you have to do in video so they can see you and you can interact by using your microphone. Distance Learning all depends on the instruction and course structure and yes, some classes are absolutely worthless and you should have been able to buy the book, read it, and paid $50 instead of $800! The costs of this crap is definitely another conversation.

If you are - I don't want to say smart - creative enough, you can organize all of your papers ahead of time because the rules for the papers are the same so I made a paper template where all I had to do was change my Title, Abstract and fill in my sections and references for each paper with a few tweaks here and there. Education overall is basically BS for most things and the costs are absolutely ridiculous