buckeyeintn
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And at least part of that run can be attributed to Rich Rod/Hoke being in AA (is a whore).
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Greyshirt
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BTW if any of you fools are coming to the MSU game you are 100% invited to my tailgate. We typically have 50-100 folks attending. We take all comers. Let me know and I can give you better directions to the location. But as a target it is next to Shaw Hall Parking Structure in the center of campus. Super easy to get to and the structure typically does not fill up until a couple of hours before the game. Only $20 to park and an easy stroll to the stadium.
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
It’s been forever since I’ve been to a game in EL… Your offer, while I’ll likely not take you up on it, is generous and what makes BP the best.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Mel Tucker's record at Sparty:
2020 Michigan State 2–5 (B1G East 2–5, 7th)
2021 Michigan State 11–2 (B1G East 7–2, 3rd ) W Peach
Michigan State hired Tucker from Colorado ahead of the 2020 season after longtime Spartans coach Mark Dantonio resigned. The Spartans went 2-5 during his debut season — one shortened by the COVID-19 pandemic — before enjoying a breakout 11-win season in 2021. Tucker's success in 2021 was enough to land him a 10-year, $95 million extension as a handful of prominent jobs elsewhere became vacant.
2022 Michigan State 2–3 (B1G East 0–2)
One good year and Mel Tucker gets a 10 year $95M contract. Anyone think Sparty is beginning to have "buyer's remorse" on that contract?
He's not really burning it up on recruiting either (per Rivals):
2020: #36
2021: #45
2022: #23
2023: #27
And it will be pretty expensive to fire him (without cause) him too.
2020 Michigan State 2–5 (B1G East 2–5, 7th)
2021 Michigan State 11–2 (B1G East 7–2, 3rd ) W Peach
Michigan State hired Tucker from Colorado ahead of the 2020 season after longtime Spartans coach Mark Dantonio resigned. The Spartans went 2-5 during his debut season — one shortened by the COVID-19 pandemic — before enjoying a breakout 11-win season in 2021. Tucker's success in 2021 was enough to land him a 10-year, $95 million extension as a handful of prominent jobs elsewhere became vacant.
2022 Michigan State 2–3 (B1G East 0–2)
One good year and Mel Tucker gets a 10 year $95M contract. Anyone think Sparty is beginning to have "buyer's remorse" on that contract?
He's not really burning it up on recruiting either (per Rivals):
2020: #36
2021: #45
2022: #23
2023: #27
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...t-extension-details-no-new-buyout/8800227002/
And it will be pretty expensive to fire him (without cause) him too.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
I don't necessarily think he will be fired this year either; but if he is, the buyout will be 100% of what's left as long as it is " without cause". His only head coaching experience was 5 games as the Jacksonville Jaguars interim head coach in 2011 and 1 year at Colorado going 5-7 before Sparty hired him. He did have a good resume as a position coach and DC with multiple teams (including at Ohio State from 2001 - 2004); however, that doesn't necessarily guarantee you will be a successful head coach. Hey, he "paid his dues" and deserves a chance at a college head coaching position. I just think Sparty overpaid him. A 10 year $95M guaranteed contract is "Nick Saban money", i.e. a little too much and too long for a guy without a proven college head coaching track record.
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You would think that this type of situation would be ripe for "Ray Donovan fixer". Somehow create a "cause" to fire Mel and save millions ....
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
He better lock himself in a room and throw away his iPhone to eliminate any ‘for cause’ reasons that $9.5M per year could buy.
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Greyshirt
All-American
He is 100% safe for the next 2-3 seasons.
The issue is talent and depth. Or better said lack of any quality depth. MSU is seems may always be a 1 string. Unless Tucker changes that MSU will never be a real player. The 2023 ranking is not really accurate. If you look at average stars MSU was I think top 15 last I checked. So his recruiting has improved. MSU is 3rd in the B10 behind OSU and PSU in average stars. Yes he needs to finish. But the commits keep coming. I think he is selling that 11-2 season last year and saying "When I have high level talent I can win". And yes OSU leads the nation in average stars. So I guess you could say when MSU has OSU level talent he can win.
At the end of the day, it really is about the players on the field. Yes a coach can stabilize a program and win some games. But you are not winning championships with average talent. MSU is paying Championship salaries so lets hope the play on the field matches. You want to really pick on a coach go down to TA&M what a shit show.
The issue is talent and depth. Or better said lack of any quality depth. MSU is seems may always be a 1 string. Unless Tucker changes that MSU will never be a real player. The 2023 ranking is not really accurate. If you look at average stars MSU was I think top 15 last I checked. So his recruiting has improved. MSU is 3rd in the B10 behind OSU and PSU in average stars. Yes he needs to finish. But the commits keep coming. I think he is selling that 11-2 season last year and saying "When I have high level talent I can win". And yes OSU leads the nation in average stars. So I guess you could say when MSU has OSU level talent he can win.
At the end of the day, it really is about the players on the field. Yes a coach can stabilize a program and win some games. But you are not winning championships with average talent. MSU is paying Championship salaries so lets hope the play on the field matches. You want to really pick on a coach go down to TA&M what a shit show.
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Greyshirt
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Well it has taken me most of the week to recover from the weekend. Threw a amazing tailgate if I do say so myself. Clearly the highlight of the day for Spartan fans.
Not really much to say. What is kind of funny is that my buddies and I felt pretty good about things and it was 35-13 at half. Which is to say at least it appears that OSU was not able to just manhandle MSU at the line of scrimmage and had to actually throw some forward passes. I kind of felt like OSU was showing mercy by trying to just win without throwing many passes because if they threw the ball it would be unchallenging.....which clearly MSU has made a decision to see if offenses know about the forward pass. Like literally I question if the coaches are aware that the forward pass is quite popular now in the game. Like it is no longer 1972.
Anyway, I was not overly impressed with OSU. This is 100% because MSU is a dumpster fire right now. So it is hard to even discern if OSU is any good when MSU is so damn bad in all phases except the punter. MSU seems to be a punting mecca. I will say that the win over ND is starting to look better and better. ND is showing some life.
Not really much to say. What is kind of funny is that my buddies and I felt pretty good about things and it was 35-13 at half. Which is to say at least it appears that OSU was not able to just manhandle MSU at the line of scrimmage and had to actually throw some forward passes. I kind of felt like OSU was showing mercy by trying to just win without throwing many passes because if they threw the ball it would be unchallenging.....which clearly MSU has made a decision to see if offenses know about the forward pass. Like literally I question if the coaches are aware that the forward pass is quite popular now in the game. Like it is no longer 1972.
Anyway, I was not overly impressed with OSU. This is 100% because MSU is a dumpster fire right now. So it is hard to even discern if OSU is any good when MSU is so damn bad in all phases except the punter. MSU seems to be a punting mecca. I will say that the win over ND is starting to look better and better. ND is showing some life.
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