Miami & CFB Thuggery

[OregonBuckeye]

Also, dude, midget is not the preferred nomenclature...little person please.

Greenies to the first to point out that reference.

Bad Santa?

Edit-Damn you, BB73, I didn't see your post. Why I oughta'!

 

[OH10]

Also, dude, midget is not the preferred nomenclature...little person please.

Greenies to the first to point out that reference.

Combination of the Big Lebowski and Bad Santa.

 

[Jaxbuck]

and while i think that reddick and merriweather were out of line i dont think that this justifies us as being thugs

The point all Miami apologists are missing is that everyone would give them slack if this were a one time event. The casual fan knows that FIU started it and I think most are ok with the "I had to protect my guys" concept.

Where the slack quickly ends is in recalling that the thugs from Miami have started or tried to start 2 other brawls since the Bowl game from last year. What makes them pure bitch made punks is the complete thrashing they took on the field in those 2 games.

I'm sorry but 3 fighting incidents in a 7 game span and gets a bit hard to swallow the victim routine. They're thugs and the administration/coach look even worse for their handling of it all.

And I still say the common moronic Miami fan who isn't embarassed by the fight should be embarrassed by the fact Miami was only up 13-0 late in the 3rd quarter vs FIU.

 

[Steve19]

The point all Miami apologists are missing is that everyone would give them slack if this were a one time event. The casual fan knows that FIU started it and I think most are ok with the "I had to protect my guys" concept.

Where the slack quickly ends is in recalling that the thugs from Miami have started or tried to start 2 other brawls since the Bowl game from last year. What makes them pure bitch made punks is the complete thrashing they took on the field in those 2 games.

I'm sorry but 3 fighting incidents in a 7 game span and gets a bit hard to swallow the victim routine. They're thugs and the administration/coach look even worse for their handling of it all.

And I still say the common moronic Miami fan who isn't embarassed by the fight should be embarrassed by the fact Miami was only up 13-0 late in the 3rd quarter vs FIU.

Even if you forget all of that, the fact is that it went beyond protecting anybody. A champion grabs the placeholder, stops the fighting, and walks away from FIU's attack. Then, takes it to them smashmouth style the rest of the game.

 

[osugrad21]

Link

Va. Tech Tries to Regain Handle

By Adam Kilgore
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 18, 2006; Page E01

BLACKSBURG, Va., Oct. 17 -- After suffering two consecutive losses and being criticized on national television for its actions on and off the field, the Virginia Tech football team finds itself looking for a fresh start to a season that began with four straight victories. Players vowed Tuesday they would redeem themselves, even as Coach Frank Beamer announced that defensive end William Wall was being thrown off the team for his behavior.
During last Thursday's broadcast of the Hokies' 22-3 loss to Boston College, ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit sharply criticized the Virginia Tech football team, calling it selfish and more focused on getting to the NFL than winning games. His comments came as cameras showed linebacker Brenden Hill dancing on the sideline during the game's waning moments with Virginia Tech trailing 20-3. The broadcast also included shots of bickering between safety Aaron Rouse and linebacker Vince Hall near the Virginia Tech bench.

Hill met with Beamer on Monday and apologized to the coaches and players. Hill said yesterday he didn't want Boston College to know how much losing hurt, so he was dancing to hide his dejection. He said he also felt he could alleviate the tension on the Virginia Tech bench by keeping his teammates loose.
"It kind of hurt me," Hill said of the ESPN analyst's criticism. "It's something that I'm ready to move on from and put behind me. The way it came off was definitely not how I meant it. It was kind of disappointing to see it come off like that."
Rouse and Hall were not made available for comment, at the request of Beamer.
"I think there was lot of frustration there, a lot of disappointment there," Beamer said of Rouse and Hall on Monday. "I think there's better ways to handle it than screaming at each other."
"I've seen it before. It's never been caught on TV like that before," wide receiver David Clowney said. "Some guys were frustrated. We've all been through it. You got to put stuff like that behind you."
While Hill apologized, his teammates defended him and shot back at Herbstreit, whose opinions carry significant weight around college football.
"Bottom line is, some guy out there had six minutes to fill in a one-sided game," center Danny McGrath said. "If that comes down to looking at a guy dancing and saying this isn't team play, after he doesn't know the guy and hasn't watched him practice for the last five years, it doesn't make much sense. It's disrespectful because he doesn't know us as people.
"People around the program were starting to get upset. We know we're out there playing. If a guy is dancing during a TV timeout so ESPN can make more money off of us than they already do, then they catch the guy dancing. That's what the tape does to you, it makes you bitter. We looked pretty bad, but then two days later Miami took the thug title right from us. As soon as we earn it outright, they come back and do something to take it from us."
McGrath was referring to a bench-clearing brawl during a game Saturday night between the University of Miami and Florida International teams that resulted in multiple suspensions of players at both schools.
Beamer called a team meeting Monday at which he showed the ESPN footage from Thursday's loss that included Herbstreit's acidic criticism. The room fell quiet afterward, players said.
James Miller and Cornell Brown, former Virginia Tech players acting as graduate assistants, spoke. Beamer addressed the team. Several team leaders, Noland Burchette and Rouse among them, also spoke, according to players who attended the meeting. Players said Tuesday that they realized the team had fractured in its frustration at losing -- it has dropped out of the national rankings for the first time in 33 weeks -- and needed to come back together.
"It gave a point to start over again," Hill said. "A new breath, a new life."
Three players -- Chris Ellis, Josh Morgan and Josh Hyman -- have been arrested this season, each suspended one game. On Monday night, Beamer announced on his weekly radio show that he had kicked Wall, a redshirt freshman who leads the Hokies with three sacks, off the team for a series of transgressions. Wall had been suspended for an earlier game after an outburst he made toward defensive line coach Charlie Wiles.
Beamer vowed to clean up Virginia Tech's image this offseason. He wouldn't elaborate on his preseason comments Tuesday but repeated his oft-used statement that his players must "represent Virginia Tech well on the field and represent Virginia Tech well off the field."
Asked whether Beamer's appeal was reaching the players, McGrath said: "When you look at the model, I guess not. What Coach Beamer has done now as opposed to a couple years ago is, now it's serious. Maybe it was, 'I'm going to do this,' and it never happened. Coach Beamer has been throwing people off the team left and right this year."
Beamer said repeatedly Tuesday that the team was moving on and that he would only talk about Saturday night's opponent, Southern Mississippi.
"As a team, we've taken a step forward and we've gotten closer," Hill said. "Coach Beamer did a great job, not just with him speaking but the way he approached our team meeting yesterday and getting us to refocus. You'll see a different Virginia Tech football team."

 

[osugrad21]

CPD

Clemson, S.C. reflect on past brawl

10/19/2006, 3:54 a.m. ETBy PETE IACOBELLI
The Associated Press
CLEMSON, S.C. (AP) ? Clemson athletic director Terry Don Phillips admits his school and South Carolina had one critical element to get past their ugly brawl two years ago that Miami and Florida International won't ? plenty of time off before their next games.
When the Tigers and Gamecocks fought near the end of their rivalry game Nov. 20, 2004, it was the end of the regular season. Within days, administrators at both schools rejected bowl bids as part of the penalties, leaving the players a long offseason to feel the disgrace and endure the fallout from family and friends.
"The players put it in their own perspective when they had an opportunity to think about it," Phillips said Wednesday, "and how it reflected on them and their university."The Clemson-South Carolina fight memories resurfaced after last week's brawl between Miami and Florida International.
"I think all of our guys learned from the one two years ago," Gamecocks coach Steve Spurrier said.
The long time between games gave both sides time to cool down and gave administrators a chance to help heal wounds, Phillips said.
That took shape immediately when Phillips and Clemson president James F. Barker and their South Carolina counterparts, athletic director Mike McGee and president Andrew Sorensen, agreed on the bowl bans.
Dissension in penalties ? with one team in a bowl game and the other one out ? might have led to more harsh feelings between players and fans, who dote on every aspect of the state's biggest rivalry, Phillips said.
"Everybody understood that we needed to get this behind us," he said.
It was one of the ugliest scenes in the state's sports history.
The fight began midway through the fourth quarter after South Carolina failed on fourth-and-11 and Clemson lineman Bobby Williamson appeared to linger too long atop Gamecocks quarterback Syvelle Newton. Soon, players from both sides rushed in and the mass of people stretched about 60 yards on the field. While no one used a helmet for a weapon, there were similar unbelievable scenes. The most dramatic was the photo of Clemson runner Yusef Kelly attempting to kick Gamecock lineman Woodly Telfort. Kelly later apologized for his role in the fight.
Each team had six players suspended for one game by their respective conference, Clemson in the Atlantic Coast Conference and South Carolina in the Southeastern Conferences.
South Carolina coach Lou Holtz, now an ESPN analyst, ran to midfield, trying to pull much larger players apart. As the network replayed the Miami-FIU fight, Holtz blamed his impending retirement ? the Clemson brawl took place in Holtz's final game ? as a factor."They announced my retirement on Monday. We played them on Saturday. I did not have control of the team," he said.
The fight also came a day after the NBA brawl between Indiana and Detroit, and took a back seat to that.
Still, the offseason was one of lectures and disapproving comments from friends and family, Clemson and South Carolina players recalled.
Linebacker Lance Laury, then a Gamecock junior, said it was difficult having people think you were a bad guy because of what occurred.
Williamson had said his harshest criticism came from his parents. "They were really upset with me," he said.
Clemson defensive lineman Charles Bennett realized he and his teammates had done wrong when a competitor at a Special Olympics event where he volunteered told him, "You shouldn't do that," referring to the fight.
Clemson coach Tommy Bowden did not want to discuss any brawl-related topics this week.
Phillips said he and Eric Hyman, who took over as South Carolina AD from McGee, agreed the schools needed to close the fight chapter at its one-year anniversary. So players from both sides came to midfield at Williams-Brice Stadium last November for a pregame handshake.
Phillips said he doesn't hear much about the brawl these days. The school recently received a sportsmanship award at the National Division I-A Athletic Directors' convention. Spurrier remembers what he once heard from Penn State's Joe Paterno when asked if the Nittany Lions might take things too far in a big game.
"'Hey, we're not here to fight. We're here to play football,'" Spurrier said, recalling Paterno's words.
"We're not worried about stomping on the other guys logo and all that crap," Spurrier said. "Once that message gets to the teams, hopefully to our team, we don't have to worry about it."

 

[osugrad21]

CPD

Miami defends disciplinary action


CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) ? Miami president Donna Shalala offered no apologies for the disciplinary action taken by her university in the days following a sideline-clearing brawl that sparked widespread outrage, saying the punishments handed out were strong enough. And two of the sanctioned Miami players remorsefully agreed.
Sophomore Anthony Reddick and senior captain Brandon Meriweather issued apologies ? on their own, without university urging ? Tuesday for their roles in the brawl with Florida International, the first act in the long road the Hurricanes will travel in an effort to rebuild the program's damaged reputation.
Reddick swung his helmet as a weapon and struck an FIU player with it during Saturday night's fight at the Orange Bowl, while Meriweather was seen stomping on some Golden Panthers in apparent retaliation after they hit one of his teammates."You'll never see that behavior out of me again," Reddick said. "My behavior was a disgrace to my school, my family and my friends, especially the young kids who look up to me as their role model. I do understand that what I did was wrong."
Meriweather's mea culpa came in the form of a letter, which Hurricanes coach Larry Coker wasn't made aware of until moments before its distribution.
"I was not part of the initial fight that broke out," Meriweather wrote. "However, I did see that my teammates and, more specifically, the placeholder were being attacked by the FIU players. At that point I went over the pile so that I could control my teammates and prevent the fight from becoming worse. When I arrived at the pile, I did not use my better judgment."
The brawl started with 9 minutes left in the third quarter of a game Miami went on to win 35-0. As the fighting started, two FIU players ? Chris Smith and Marshall McDuffie Jr. ? attacked Miami holder Matt Perrelli.
Moments after Perrelli was hit, Reddick ran across the field, holding his helmet high, then swung it wildly and smashed it into at least one FIU player.
Smith and McDuffie were kicked off FIU's team on Monday; Reddick was given an indefinite suspension by the Hurricanes. The 16 other FIU players sanctioned for their roles in the brawl were suspended indefinitely, while 12 more Miami players will sit out this Saturday's game at Duke.
Shalala ? who has apologized repeatedly to FIU officials and her own university community for the fight ? said that sanctions levied against 13 players for their role in the sideline-clearing brawl were fair, justified and strong enough to satisfy the university.

All that, though, came with one big caveat: Miami athletes simply can never fight again, she said.
"This university will be firm and punish people who do bad things," Shalala said. "But we will not throw any student under the bus for instant restoration of our image or our reputation. I will not hang them in a public square. I will not eliminate their participation at the university. I will not take away their scholarships."
Miami officials have enacted a new rule that any athlete who fights will be dismissed from that team, a "new standard ... zero tolerance" policy. That, along with 12 one-game suspensions, one indefinite suspension and orders that all players involved in the brawl do community service, is sufficient punishment, Shalala said."It's time for the feeding frenzy to stop," Shalala said. "These young men made a stupid, terrible, horrible mistake and they are being punished."
Shalala will meet with FIU president Mitch Maidique on Thursday to determine if next season's game between the teams will be played. An announcement will be made by the weekend, Shalala said.
Echoing Shalala's sentiments, Coker said he found the sanctions ordered by his school and the Atlantic Coast Conference to be fair.
"We are accountable and we need to take care of our athletes and do everything we can to make sure these things don't occur," Coker said. "When you have a terrible incident like this, it really brings home the consequences."
Suspended Miami players continued to practice with the team; most will have scout-team duty this week.
"Let's move forward," Coker said. "Let's don't look back."

 

[osugrad21]

CPD

Column: Miami's image under seige again

10/18/2006, 7:45 p.m. ETBy RALPH D. RUSSO

(AP) ? Miami built a football dynasty on an us-vs.-them attitude. The Hurricanes perfected the concept of swagger, and intimidation long has been the key ingredient to success. Sometimes that bravado gets them into trouble.
It did again last Saturday night.
The Hurricanes brawled with Florida International, an ugly sideline-clearing fight that had at least one Miami player swinging his helmet and another stomping on an opposing player.
It's the third time in the last year that Miami has been involved in a scuffle with another team. This was by far the ugliest and most public, and it led to the suspension of 31 players, including 13 Hurricanes.
Miami successfully shed its renegade image under Butch Davis in the late 1990s. Six years and one national title since he left for the NFL, the Hurricanes again are being portrayed ? fair or not ? as a bunch of thugs.
"This is not the same program. This is not the old Miami," university president Donna Shalala said. "We've always known that we couldn't make mistakes. We don't get a break. I knew that before I came to Miami. I like that standard. It's tougher, and we are tougher on ourselves than other people are."
Miami rose to prominence in the mid-1980s, winning its first national title with coach Howard Schnellenberger in 1983. He handed the program to Jimmy Johnson in 1984, and the Hurricanes won another title in 1987.
The foundation of those teams were inner-city kids such as Michael Irvin, Jerome Brown and Melvin Bratton.
"The attitude was we're going to bring a little bit of the street to the Orange Bowl," said Bruce Feldman of ESPN The Magazine, whose book "'Cane Mutiny" chronicles the rise of Miami football.
The Hurricanes showboated, talked trash and weren't above sending a message with a late hit.

"They intimidated a lot of people," Feldman said Wednesday in a telephone interview. "They intimidated Oklahoma. They intimidated Florida State."
Johnson encouraged his players to embrace the villain's role, Feldman said.
"They clung to it and used it as a badge of honor," he said.Miami's biggest rivals during that time were Notre Dame (Convicts vs. Catholics) and Penn State, two iconic programs touted as symbols of all that is right with college sports.
So the Hurricanes ran it up on Gerry Faust's Notre Dame team in 1985 to the tune of 58-7. Johnson called a faked punt late in that game just to get his point across.
Before Miami played Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl for the 1986 national title, some of the Hurricanes arrived in Arizona wearing camouflage fatigues. The Nittany Lions won the game, but the image of Vinny Testaverde, Bennie Blades and Jerome Brown getting off the plane in combat attire and dark glasses helped grow Miami's menacing mystique.
When Johnson jumped to the Dallas Cowboys after the '88 season, Dennis Erickson took over. He won titles in 1989 and '91, and the Hurricanes bad-boy image got out of control.
At the 1991 Cotton Bowl against Texas, the Hurricanes, incensed by trash talking before the game, accumulated more than 200 yards in penalties with a slew of late hits and personal fouls in a 46-3 victory.
"People were saying Miami had gone soft," Feldman said. "This was their answer."
It got worse when Miami was hit with NCAA sanctions for a financial-aid scandal, a play-for-pay scheme and other violations under Erickson and Johnson.
Davis was hired to clean up the mess in 1995 and persuade players' parents that Miami was the place to be.
"The first hour and a half was like being on the witness stand, defending yourself and explaining what has changed," he said in a phone interview.
Eventually, things changed. When Miami rose again in the late '90s, the faces of the program ? such as Jonathan Vilma, Ed Reed and Ken Dorsey ? also were considered good citizens. They became the core of a 2001 national title team and came a play away from repeating in 2002.
Davis said it pained him to watch Saturday's brawl, knowing that Miami's reputation again would be tarnished.
"It's as if there was never a period of time when things were right," Davis said of the negative reaction. "It's like (there was) 25 consecutive years of thuggery."

 

[Best Buckeye]

CPD

Miami defends disciplinary action


CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) ? Miami president Donna Shalala offered no apologies for the disciplinary action taken by her university in the days following a sideline-clearing brawl that sparked widespread outrage, saying the punishments handed out were strong enough. And two of the sanctioned Miami players remorsefully agreed.
Sophomore Anthony Reddick and senior captain Brandon Meriweather issued apologies ? on their own, without university urging ? Tuesday for their roles in the brawl with Florida International, the first act in the long road the Hurricanes will travel in an effort to rebuild the program's damaged reputation.
Reddick swung his helmet as a weapon and struck an FIU player with it during Saturday night's fight at the Orange Bowl, while Meriweather was seen stomping on some Golden Panthers in apparent retaliation after they hit one of his teammates."You'll never see that behavior out of me again," Reddick said. "My behavior was a disgrace to my school, my family and my friends, especially the young kids who look up to me as their role model. I do understand that what I did was wrong."
Meriweather's mea culpa came in the form of a letter, which Hurricanes coach Larry Coker wasn't made aware of until moments before its distribution.
"I was not part of the initial fight that broke out," Meriweather wrote. "However, I did see that my teammates and, more specifically, the placeholder were being attacked by the FIU players. At that point I went over the pile so that I could control my teammates and prevent the fight from becoming worse. When I arrived at the pile, I did not use my better judgment."
The brawl started with 9 minutes left in the third quarter of a game Miami went on to win 35-0. As the fighting started, two FIU players ? Chris Smith and Marshall McDuffie Jr. ? attacked Miami holder Matt Perrelli.
Moments after Perrelli was hit, Reddick ran across the field, holding his helmet high, then swung it wildly and smashed it into at least one FIU player.
Smith and McDuffie were kicked off FIU's team on Monday; Reddick was given an indefinite suspension by the Hurricanes. The 16 other FIU players sanctioned for their roles in the brawl were suspended indefinitely, while 12 more Miami players will sit out this Saturday's game at Duke.
Shalala ? who has apologized repeatedly to FIU officials and her own university community for the fight ? said that sanctions levied against 13 players for their role in the sideline-clearing brawl were fair, justified and strong enough to satisfy the university.

All that, though, came with one big caveat: Miami athletes simply can never fight again, she said.
"This university will be firm and punish people who do bad things," Shalala said. "But we will not throw any student under the bus for instant restoration of our image or our reputation. I will not hang them in a public square. I will not eliminate their participation at the university. I will not take away their scholarships."
Miami officials have enacted a new rule that any athlete who fights will be dismissed from that team, a "new standard ... zero tolerance" policy. That, along with 12 one-game suspensions, one indefinite suspension and orders that all players involved in the brawl do community service, is sufficient punishment, Shalala said."It's time for the feeding frenzy to stop," Shalala said. "These young men made a stupid, terrible, horrible mistake and they are being punished."
Shalala will meet with FIU president Mitch Maidique on Thursday to determine if next season's game between the teams will be played. An announcement will be made by the weekend, Shalala said.
Echoing Shalala's sentiments, Coker said he found the sanctions ordered by his school and the Atlantic Coast Conference to be fair.
"We are accountable and we need to take care of our athletes and do everything we can to make sure these things don't occur," Coker said. "When you have a terrible incident like this, it really brings home the consequences."
Suspended Miami players continued to practice with the team; most will have scout-team duty this week.
"Let's move forward," Coker said. "Let's don't look back."

"

"This university will be firm and punish people who do bad things," Shalala said. "But we will not throw any student under the bus for instant restoration of our image or our reputation. I will not hang them in a public square. I will not eliminate their participation at the university. I will not take away their scholarships."
Miami officials have enacted a new rule that any athlete who fights will be dismissed from that team, a "new standard ... zero tolerance" policy. ."

so before this the U of M had a 99% tolerance policy? It is kinda like "you can't be bad after I leave"

 

[osugrad21]

Dispatch

COLLEGE FOOTBALL
Even depleted Miami team a big test for winless Duke
Thursday, October 19, 2006
Joedy McCreary
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Most teams would crave the chance to play Miami this week now that 13 Hurricanes will sit out after their brawl with Florida International.
Turns out their lucky opponent is the one team thatseemingly lacks the manpower to take advantage of the situation ? hapless Duke.
The Blue Devils (0-6) have the nation?s second-longest active losing streak at 14 games and probably would be a heavy underdog against a team composed entirely of Miami?s second-stringers. In this shorthanded game, the Hurricanes are nearly 18-point favorites.
"I know this about the University of Miami ? they are very talented and very deep, and their backups are still some of the most highly recruited kids in America," Duke coach Ted Roof said. "It?s not like they?re going to be falling from the side of a mountain."
Still, Miami (4-2) will be undermanned for at least a week after many Hurricanes took part in one of the most brutal fights in college football history. During the brawl, some players stomped their counterparts with cleats and others used helmets and crutches as weapons.
"That was a mess down there," Duke defensive tackle Casey Camero said. "I think now they?ll watch every step and move they make. I don?t think they?re going to bring that up here. Their players definitely know the red light?s on and they can?t afford to make those mistakes."
The player who swung the helmet, sophomore Anthony Reddick, was suspended indefinitely. A dozen others received one-game suspensions.
A handful of the suspended are key starters ? safety Brandon Meriweather, cornerback Randy Phillips, guard Derrick Morse, fullback James Bryant, return man Bruce Johnson and punter Brian Monroe.
The Hurricanes will fill many of those holes with young players. Freshman Chavez Grant will start at cornerback, redshirt freshman Jerrell Mabry takes over at fullback and sophomore Lovon Ponder slides in at free safety. Darren Daly takes over at punter and junior Rashaun Jones will return kickoffs and punts.
"We do have some players missing from the secondary, filling in with some backups," Miami coach Larry Coker said. "We have good players here. We?re going to fill in with good players. They haven?t had the experience, but some have been nickel backs. ? We?re going to be fine, playerwise."
Even with Miami?s suspensions, moving the ball probably will remain a daunting task for a Blue Devils team that is led by a freshman quarterback, already has been shut out twice at home ? once by Division I-AA Richmond ? and has the Atlantic Coast Conference?s worst total and scoring offense.
"We?re getting ready to play what I think is a very, very talented team (and) we?ve got to eliminate some of the mistakes that are plaguing us," Roof said. "We?ve got to do a better job of taking care of the football at our end and keeping going."
Of course, the Hurricanes? punishments also have led to jokes in which the punch lines come at Duke?s expense.
Will Miami even need a punter this week? How often will the punchless Blue Devils kick off, anyway?
And just how would those notoriously naughty Cameron Crazies taunt Miami ? if, that is, they even bothered to care about football or show up to the game?
"We don?t need (the students) to do that," Roof said. "That?s in the past, and all our focus needs to be on playing great and supporting our team and not getting involved in that (taunting) stuff."

 

[stthegreat04]

i agree with you on the fact that you cant go around swinging helmets at other people and stomping the other guys... i think it was a disgrace... but go back and look at the film and when you see merriweather stomping that guy i want you to look at what the guy was doing at the time he was getting stomped... he was beating the shit out of our sophmore all american safety kenny phillips... not trying to justify that it was the right thing to do but once a brawl has went on for as long as it did... common sense is thrown out the window... do i think that if an incident happened like this that ohio state would handle it the same way... sorta(without the helmet slinging and stomping... but for someone to say that you would just pick the holder up and walk away is crazy... say you do that and at the same time the guy punches you... just like they did with one of the miami players... its easy to say that i would do this in this situation when your not in the situation... the majority of the guys that ran out on the field tried to break it up... you just had some that went completely out of line...

 

[LordJeffBuck]

its a weird funny situation that im in right now... For one... i am a relly big Miami fan... but i am also a tOSU fan as well... and while i think that reddick and merriweather were out of line i dont think that this justifies us as being thugs... go back and look at the video... our holder gets slammed to the ground them kicked in the head and then we go over there and protect him... the person who protects him gets hit... its all about protecting your team... if you believe that tOSU wouldn't have done the same thing you are crazy... because just as much as tOSU is a family... so is Miami... i think the things said by Lamar Thomas was out of line due to the fact of the position he is in... if he was just another fan in the crowd, then it would be completely different, but seeing that he was there to announce the game he was completely out of place...

1. Twenty-five years of thuggery justifies Miami's reputation as thugs - most of the 'Canes fans admit to being thugs and enjoy that reputation.

2. You protect your team by trying to break up a fight, not by turning a brawl into a riot.

3. Ohio State is a family ... Miami is a posse.

 

[scooter1369]

No need to shell out money... VT & Miami meet up later this year.

Any chance that game ends up on ESPNU?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

i agree with you on the fact that you cant go around swinging helmets at other people and stomping the other guys... i think it was a disgrace... but go back and look at the film and when you see merriweather stomping that guy i want you to look at what the guy was doing at the time he was getting stomped... he was beating the shit out of our sophmore all american safety kenny phillips... not trying to justify that it was the right thing to do but once a brawl has went on for as long as it did... common sense is thrown out the window... do i think that if an incident happened like this that ohio state would handle it the same way... sorta(without the helmet slinging and stomping... but for someone to say that you would just pick the holder up and walk away is crazy... say you do that and at the same time the guy punches you... just like they did with one of the miami players... its easy to say that i would do this in this situation when your not in the situation... the majority of the guys that ran out on the field tried to break it up... you just had some that went completely out of line...

1. If somebody is on the ground beating up my teammate, I don't think stomping on the back of his legs is the way to get that guy off my teammate.

2. Iowa was throwing cheap shots and jawing all night. I don't think the brawl made it on TV, cuz I didn't see it.

Oh that's right....there was no brawl. There were a lot of TDs though.

3. How badly can you get "beat up" while you're wearing full pads and a helmet?

 

[stthegreat04]

1. If somebody is on the ground beating up my teammate, I don't think stomping on the back of his legs is the way to get that guy off my teammate.

2. Iowa was throwing cheap shots and jawing all night. I don't think the brawl made it on TV, cuz I didn't see it.

Oh that's right....there was no brawl. There were a lot of TDs though.

3. How badly can you get "beat up" while you're wearing full pads and a helmet?

your right there was no brawl... there also wasn't a Iowa fan scooping up your teammate and driving him into the ground either... how many times do i have to say that i am not saying that it was the right thing to do... most Miami fans dont say that we are thugs because i for one am not a thug... the team is not full of thugs just because a brawl happens... and have you ever played football... there is alot that you can do to someone who they are still fully padded...