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I Tressel should have voted for Duke. Or Akron. Maybe Oberlin.

He was going to be screwed either way.

For whom did Pete Carroll vote? For whom did Greg Schiano vote? Etc. Why do they just care about Tressel? If the vote is truly a public vote, then let us know who they voted for!
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;678063; said:
Time OUT!

OK, punt team!

On the "did OSU do this" issue.. the closest I can think of is 1996 when OSU ended #2 to a one loss Florida (OSU had one loss (to Michigan)). But, going in to that bowl season, OSU was 4th, playing #2 ASU. Florida was 3, playing #1 Flast. So.. But, even then, I don't recall people bitching and moaning.

Actually, the CLOSEST I can think of was 1998. First year of the BCS. In 1998 Ohio State was in the position to 'back in to the title game' and missed out by a hair. I think people will agree that the 1998 OSU team was the best in the country that year, and probably would have beaten Tenny (Well, OK I doubt everyone would agree...) Anyway, when OSU didn't get it, I don't recall much pissing and moaning then either... more of a "DAMMIT, just missed" kinda attitude.

On the other hand, there weren't message boards back then... or if there were, they weren't like they are today in terms of popularity.
A lot of coaches got fired because of the "bitching and moaning" from Tosu fans. Do the names Cooper and Bruce ring a bell?
 
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Five pages of Carr-bashing because of one, tiny, throwaway, out-of-context quote? Unbelievable. Here, let me balance this a bit:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;...YcB?slug=dw-bcsreax120306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
o new Carr By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
December 3, 2006
He maintained a dignity that belied this most undignified of processes. Lloyd Carr's team won't play for the Bowl Championship Series title and won't get another shot at Ohio State after not being able to hold off Florida for a title game bid.
But the Michigan coach kept it real and kept it right throughout a controversy that so often makes everyone look wrong.
Carr doesn't dance for anyone, doesn't beg for anything, doesn't slam someone else. With his team's title hopes slipping away, with the media pleading for him to start pitching his Wolverines to swing voters, he refused to get involved and refused to violate his core beliefs.
Carr clearly is angry with Gators head coach Urban Meyer, who made pro-Florida and anti-Michigan statements in an attempt to influence voters and media coverage, something Carr considers beneath both him and the game.
[SIZE=-2][/SIZE] "I think it's going to be a great controversy ? based on some of the comments the Florida coach has made in the last two weeks ? campaigning strenuously for a berth in the championship game ? and making some statements about Michigan that I think were inappropriate," Carr said Sunday on his television show before the BCS pairings were unveiled. Meyer was dumbfounded with the criticism because all he did was what 99 percent of his peers would have done. College football isn't a pretty business, and Meyer never hesitated when it came to going to bat for his team, going all out for his kids. He got after those voters the way coaches do on the recruiting trail.
The goal was getting the Gators to Glendale. The goal was achieved. End of story. No apologies.
It may be for the worse (it's difficult to see how it's for the better), but that's the way the game is played these days.
Who knows if Carr could have had the same success for the Wolverines? In the end, the computer formulas declared the Michigan-Florida debate a tie. It was the voters who shifted their allegiance to Florida.
But there are no certainties. As sure as some Michigan fans wish Carr had been more Machiavellian, the thing that hurt the Wolverines the most this season was the bottoming out of the Big Ten, a usually deep and strong conference that reverted to the days of Ohio State, Michigan and a lot of weak sisters.
Florida had the better resume because the SEC had five good teams and the Big Ten didn't. The Gators simply beat more good teams and won the toughest conference in the land. Carr should be upset at Joe Paterno, Joe Tiller and Glen Mason for fielding weak teams.
Regardless, Michigan's case ? that its sole loss was at No. 1 Ohio State, that it had a stronger team than the Gators ? never had the advocate that Florida did. Carr would rather sit back and let the process play out than win with speeches.
He made just a single "SportsCenter" appearance in which he refused to say much and turned down every other request for comment. That's Lloyd Carr. And not just in talk, but in action.
And so Michigan and its coach go down winners even in this most disappointing of times. This program, Bo Schembechler's program, is supposed to be about just what Carr demonstrated, right or wrong, smart or stupid, hopelessly old school or not.
Meyer did it his way, and perhaps, in this tough world, in this tough game, it was the right way. Perhaps showing his players that you need to kick down the door to opportunity is the best lesson.
Saying Carr was right doesn't automatically mean Meyer was wrong. Meyer acted just as a modern coach would, where seizing every advantage and fighting for every last inch is the only way.
Meyer was a natural politician after capturing the SEC title on Saturday, when his stump speech appealed to every voter emotion imaginable.
There was confidence: "Florida belongs."
There were comparative attacks: "The other team had a shot."
There was overstated extrapolation: "The country wants to see the Southeast Conference champion against a Big Ten champion."
There was a dare to ESPN to cover this in a pro-Florida way: "I hope they list all the statistics, put it all out on the table, here's what it is."
There was potential emotional distress: "We're going to tell a group of young men that just went 12-1 in a most difficult schedule that they don't have a chance to go play for a national championship? I'm going to need help with that one."
It was a speech that James Carville and Karl Rove would have loved. Meyer didn't even seem to understand how it could upset Carr. He couldn't see the issue. He didn't get the problem.
Carr did. Whether you agree with his old-school, bedrock-value approach or not, whether you think he blew it by not sticking up for his team, you have to appreciate that when everything was on the line, he walked the walk.
When a shot at a national title was in the balance, Lloyd Carr, the old Michigan man, proved that even in this hyper-competitive era, even in this senseless system, the values he always expounds ? pride, respect, humility ? still can take precedent over all.
 
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Why, as a coach, would you want a vote in this poll?

Pat Forde made a good point when he said that Tressel voted in August, September, October, and November but not December when the poll really mattered. JT should have given away his vote before the season if he wanted to avoid the controversy. Would anyone have had a problem with that?

I agree that JT should have avoided trying to pick a number 2 when the vote was going to be made public. But is he really surprised that he could be put in that position?
 
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Tresselbeliever;677691; said:
By calling Tressel "slick", Carr has crossed the line. You can voice your opinion, but Carr made it personal. Calling a collegue slick is flat out unprofessional. Shame on Carr.
lol.. first of all JT is slick.. thats why w elove him

second.. IMO JT should have voted Big10 or got rid of the vote pre-season
 
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HailToMichigan;678172; said:
Five pages of Carr-bashing because of one, tiny, throwaway, out-of-context quote? Unbelievable.

Just one question regarding context. Apart from two back-alley, downriver guniea wap gangsters back-slapping each other as "slick" for beating a rap, which admittedly could interchangeably refer to their greased-down duck tails, how exactly does one use the term "slick" in a positive way?
 
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JoJaBuckeye;678239; said:
Just one question regarding context. Apart from two back-alley, downriver guniea wap gangsters back-slapping each other as "slick" for beating a rap, which admittedly could interchangeably refer to their greased-down duck tails, how exactly does one use the term "slick" in a positive way?
"I thought that was a no-win situation, but Coach Tressel did the best he could with what he was given. I wouldn't have thought of that, that's pretty slick."

Not the exact quote. But we don't know what Carr was asked, what he said before and after, or even what the tone of his voice was. Could have been off-handed, dismissive, admiring, angry, sarcastic, or any combination of the above.
 
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Well at least he wasn't whining about the bomb-sniffing dogs or old ladies giving him the fimger this time :lol:

Seriously, why give a shit? It's not like he has any grounds whatsoever to believe they belong in the NC game instead of us, so why do we care if he and Urban Meyer hate each other or not?
 
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HailToMichigan;678300; said:
"I thought that was a no-win situation, but Coach Tressel did the best he could with what he was given. I wouldn't have thought of that, that's pretty slick."

Not the exact quote. But we don't know what Carr was asked, what he said before and after, or even what the tone of his voice was. Could have been off-handed, dismissive, admiring, angry, sarcastic, or any combination of the above.

Sounds like this goes in the category of Herbie referring to Breaston as "worthless." Poor word choice gets you blasted. I defended Herbie as it was obvious from the full context that he was referring to Breaston's role in the offense just as Carr was referring to this as a "slick" maneuver and not necessarily in a derrogatory fashion. And, god, I hate defending Carr.
 
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I am not going to either defend or berate Carr. My point is only this: none of the 1-loss teams got "worked" or "jobbed." Rather, one of them is fortunate. A very different set of circumstances.

If you want to ensure a spot in the NC game, then win all the games leading up to it. Exactly like the Buckeyes did. Otherwise, if you are selected then accept it graciously and allow that the other teams had a good argument for being there, too. But if you have a loss you have no right to complain.

That is, of course, what Jim Tressel would do in such an event, and his is nearly always a good example to follow.
 
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TexasBuck;677714; said:
Tressel was going to get "bashed" by someone no matter what he did. Personally, I like the decesion. No matter his pick, there would be speculation that he was trying to choose his opponent rather than pick the best team. No win situation here.

Furthermore, his choice could have been used to motivate the other team if his choice didn't turn out to be in the title game.

Pretty much;

If he chooses Wolverines as #2 people would say "he chose a team he had beaten, has beaten three years in a row, he was obviously trying to take the easy way out.

If he chooses Florida "obviously the buckeyes don't want another piece of the wolverines"

So he takes the easy way out, odds are Carr would have done the same thing. I mean for the Big10 it's a bigger payday to have the two go to seperate BCS games.
 
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808 Buck;677741; said:
Much like he does when dealing with Big 10 officials.


If Tressel acted Like LLLLLoyd on the sidelines I'd be very embarrassed as an OSU fan. It looks very much like a desperate plea for help each time I see LLLLLoyd acting like a maniac with the sideline ref. I know he is supposedly just "working" the official but for the most part that only works at the high school level and lower. With Television cameras everywhere and considering the installation of instant replay, The pressure of getting the call correct is the greatest motivator. LLLLLoyd thinks he'll eventually get a call because of all his bitching to the refs. I think it's classless and makes him pathetic.
I remember a coach once telling me this......"Good teams never lose because of a bad call. Good teams take the officials out of the equation."
The coach that told me this was a class act and would,when needed, let a umpire know that he may have missed a call. He didn't need to scream and yell. The guy was a winner.
 
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michigan knew nov 18th they were playing to go to championship game...they lost. Next...
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