Llllloyd Whining

[DaveyBoy]

Carr is petty...

My new boss is a Michigan grad (gag). He's a good guy, is extremely pro-UM as he grew up in the shadows of Stadium & Main, and is really big on THE GAME. During the weeks leading up to The Game he was adamant about "no rematch".

Well, he calls me up today to beef about Tressel stating that "he should have voted". I think this is quite telling about even the best Michigan fans. They clearly see Tressel as the Devil Incarnate and can't help but take a shot at him if they feel they can get by with it. Here this guy and I completely agreed that November 18 was for all the marbles.....now that UM fans KNOW they won't play us they are chirping about rematch.

I have lost a ton of respect for the sportsmanship of nearly all Michigan fans. What little I had left for Carr is nearly gone. Tressel took the HIGH ROAD before The Game by stating his opinion that there should absolutely be no rematch. Carr refused to take a stand then......but not when it's easier to take a potshot stand, he suddenly does?

UM can keep Carr and his incessant whining....and his 1/2 NC

 

[Steve19]

My new boss is a Michigan grad (gag). He's a good guy, is extremely pro-UM as he grew up in the shadows of Stadium & Main, and is really big on THE GAME. During the weeks leading up to The Game he was adamant about "no rematch".

Well, he calls me up today to beef about Tressel stating that "he should have voted". I think this is quite telling about even the best Michigan fans. They clearly see Tressel as the Devil Incarnate and can't help but take a shot at him if they feel they can get by with it. Here this guy and I completely agreed that November 18 was for all the marbles.....now that UM fans KNOW they won't play us they are chirping about rematch.

I have lost a ton of respect for the sportsmanship of nearly all Michigan fans. What little I had left for Carr is nearly gone. Tressel took the HIGH ROAD before The Game by stating his opinion that there should absolutely be no rematch. Carr refused to take a stand then......but not when it's easier to take a potshot stand, he suddenly does?

UM can keep Carr and his incessant whining....and his 1/2 NC

Just be sure to tell your boss that, when Tressel called to ask your advice before the vote, you could only give him your honest opinion that it was best to not vote. It's the right thing to do...

 

[DaveyBoy]

funny

Steve,

interestingly enough.....that is almost exactly what I told him. I said "well, Coach T consulted with me for advice as he normally does and I felt he was in a no-win position and that the media would crucify him regardless. At least with this position, you can always say that you didn't directly affect which opponent you would have in Glendale."

....after that the conversation turned to a discussion on how the BigTen needs to sweep the Top 2 and 3 of the top 5 spots in the final rankings

 

[Saw31]

Yes, I will quote myself. I'm like that...

From 1-15-2005.

I think if you want anything even close to a fair ballot, it must by a secret ballot. That is the whole point, IMO. Now we could argue that the coaches shouldn't be the ones voting in the first place (fill in the myriad of arguments we have heard here), but for any balloting to be successful, it must be secret.

This is just one example of the many unforseen byproducts of making these polls public.

I told ya so...

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Can you imagine the lynching parties running around Ann Arbor if they build The Game up as a revenge thing next year and then lose it up there? I haven't thought about who gets hurt most by losses or anything about next year, but just imagine what happens if that happens. It will be something else to tell your grandchildren about

Well I can tell you one thing that's going to happen, Carr's gonna be gone. No question about it in my mind. You can win all the games you want, but boy, if you go 1-6 against Michigan with the next one at Columbus, it'd be best just to leave on your own terms...

 

[JoJaBuckeye]

My new boss is a Michigan grad (gag). He's a good guy, is extremely pro-UM as he grew up in the shadows of Stadium & Main, and is really big on THE GAME. During the weeks leading up to The Game he was adamant about "no rematch".

I have no idea how our own token Wolverweenie feels about it. She's been working out of her home since THE GAME.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Several people have mentioned this in their own way, but I'm going to say this as directly as possible:

Tressel's decision was not about "he would have been criticized either way he voted". If it had been about that, then charges of "gutless" would be valid, albeit sour-grapes.

As soon as I heard of Tressel's decision, I knew that it would result in a shit storm. OK, show of hands: How many of you think that I'm smarter than Jim Tressel? Wait a minute while I count...

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OK, zero. So it should be obvious to any person capable of abstract thought that Jim Tressel knew a priori that his decision would be met with every bit as much criticism as his decision to vote for Florida or his decision to vote for Michigan. It wasn't about avoiding criticism. That would have been gutless.

No, it was about NOT CHOOSING HIS OPPONENT!! How hard is that to comprehend. And the charges that he voted in other weeks but not this week are the most hollow of all. THIS WAS THE ONLY WEEK THAT ACTUALLY COUNTS FOR WHO GOES TO GLENDALE. This was the week that "chooses" his opponent. Participating would have been a clear conflict of interest.

As for the charge of him being "gutless". If he were gutless, he would have held his opinion on a non-conference-champ until after the game; thereby leaving himself wiggle room for saying the Buckeyes deserved a rematch if they lost. But no, Tressel manned-up and said BEFORE the game that the loser should not go to Glendale. His opinion on the matter was already known. How could any thinking person say that he abstained to hide his opinion?

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I said in another thread that people who thought Michigan was the 2nd best team should have voted them #2 regardless of the implications about a rematch. I said that it was important to protect the integrity of the poll. But Jim Tressel has shown me that there is something more important.

Jim Tressel's decision wasn't about the integrity of the poll, it was about the integrity of the voter. And the members of the AP who flipped UM and UF should know that. They aren't saying that they have changed their minds about the two teams as much as they are admitting that they aren't sure. After having thought about JT's decision, about the integrity of the voter vs. the integrity of the poll; I now realize that this may have been the right thing to do.

If the voter is honest, he should admit that he doesn't know that Michigan is better than Florida with enough certainty to give Michigan 2 chances while Florida gets none. If he is honest, he realizes that the final poll is what is most important, and he can only have certainty about it if he gives Florida as many chances as Michigan had to beat Ohio State.

It's about the integrity of the voter. Not the integrity of the poll.

 

[Bucklion]

I read somewhere (forget where now, unfortunately) that the poll people told him he couldn't split his vote (i.e. couldn't have the tie for #2)...anyone else heard this?

 

[BB73]

I read somewhere (forget where now, unfortunately) that the poll people told him he couldn't split his vote (i.e. couldn't have the tie for #2)...anyone else heard this?

I read that somewhere as well. In the past, voters have been able to split first-place votes, at least in the AP poll.

 

[desert_buckeye]

I read that somewhere as well. In the past, voters have been able to split first-place votes, at least in the AP poll.

Here is the part of the article about Tressel wanting to split his vote, but was told he couldn't:


Michigan coach Lloyd Carr, a member of the coaches poll, said there was no scenario in which he would choose not to vote. On Tressel?s abstention, Carr said: ?I thought it was real slick.?
Teaff, a former coach, said Tressel?s decision was ?not something that we would like to have happen, but it?s kind of an unusual circumstance.?
Until last year, the coaches? ballots were not made public. Now, the final regular-season ballots are released. ?It?s just a tough situation,? Teaff said.
Tressel said Teaff had floated the idea to him on Sunday morning that there was precedent for a coach ?splitting? his vote between both two teams. ?I said that would be fine,? Tressel said. ?But when the next call came back they said that wasn?t the way we could do it.?

http://www.theolympian.com/103/story/54017.html

I believe it was the right decision, and Carr just always has to find something to cry about. I find it ironic that Carr states that it should be decided on the field, but doesn't accept the fact that they lost to tOSU!

:osu:

 

[Oh8ch]

I have lost a ton of respect for the sportsmanship of nearly all Michigan fans.

The Michigan Rivals board has always been one of my favorites because they are level headed and fairly objective. But the past four days it has been incredibly sad. In fairness, I think a lot of their regulars have done the same thing I might do in this situation. Stay away from the board and not post.

As for Voyd, I just found this article about him that explains a lot:

http://www.local6.com/news/10469771/detail.html

 

[Onebuckfan]

Note to lllloyd and skunkbear fans whining won't change anything...better to concentrate on beating the Trojans because if you lay the egg in the Rose Bowl your "whining" will look more pathetic than it already does.