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For those folks who wear the urine colored glasses, the bolded text has to really, really smart; they miss ole Coop coaching at OSU while at the same time, they must be thinking that IVLoyd is becoming their version of Coop.
BTW, the title of the article is absolutely perfect and true as far as I am concerned.
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boulderbuck
Rookie
did anyone feel like last years win was destined to be the other way around? In other words, could any one else here relate to meatchicken as they pooped the game away? I know growing up in the nineties that I could, and I'm glad that we now have a coach that wins, so please, lets keep llllllloyd!
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Destined to be the other way around? Not sure I know what you mean, but in any case... no, I couldn't "relate" to them as the "pooped" away the game.
Couple of notes - Michigan didn't poop it away, Ohio State took what was rightfully theirs, and here's why:
1 - Ohio State beat Michigan up and down the field all day long, dominating the statistics in a manner at odds with the final score.
2 - If Ohio State had held on to the ball all game (that is, had zero TOs) Michigan loses two scoring drives of less than 35 yards. I think those drives accounted for 11 points (a FG and a TD with 2pt Con)... Hold on to the ball and Ohio State wins 12 - 10 (at least)
As "Relating" to them goes:
1 - I was too busy cheering for Ohio State
2 - Fuck them.
3 - Make that 1, fuck them.
Couple of notes - Michigan didn't poop it away, Ohio State took what was rightfully theirs, and here's why:
1 - Ohio State beat Michigan up and down the field all day long, dominating the statistics in a manner at odds with the final score.
2 - If Ohio State had held on to the ball all game (that is, had zero TOs) Michigan loses two scoring drives of less than 35 yards. I think those drives accounted for 11 points (a FG and a TD with 2pt Con)... Hold on to the ball and Ohio State wins 12 - 10 (at least)
As "Relating" to them goes:
1 - I was too busy cheering for Ohio State
2 - Fuck them.
3 - Make that 1, fuck them.
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lane
Junior
interesting reply on EDSB (www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com) - made me chuckle!!
FIVE LOSSES DO NOT A CHAMP MAKE
It’s been a while since we’ve read a Matt Hayes column. There’s reasons for this. First, we’ve written before that Matt Hayes= “dick,” mostly for the way he handles his readers in his mailbags, but also for a general, creeping sense of smug informing his whole print persona. (Does he live in San Francisco? Just a question.) This–combined with the dorky photo of him on the Sporting News–awakens our latent bully gene and makes us want to beat him with a rake.
Matt Hayes enjoys the smell of his own opinions in front of a horrified audience.
And yet despite us not reading him for long stretches of time…he exists. (Sometimes not having a firm grip on object permanence can be a blessing.) And sometimes he wants to write about what morons talk radio guys are, particularly ones in Michigan suggesting Lloyd Carr’s one dud season away from retirement to the Woody Hayes Home for Grizzled Antisocial Old Guys.
Seemingly impressive stat: three five-loss teams have, since 2000, won national championships the following year. Meaning…next to nothing, actually. Five loss teams abound; three of them have happened to win the national championships. The significant factoid pushing each of those teams into a group is length of coaching tenure. LSU, Ohio State, and Oklahoma all differed dramatically from Michigan ’06’s hypothetical championship team in that these all came in the first four years of the head coach’s tenure, the big upswing into prominence/rebirth that all three of the aforementioned programs were arcing into under new coaching.
Little about the word “new” applies to Michigan’s head coach. With Lloyd, it’s not like he’s going to get all spry all of a sudden and morph into the next Knute Rockne and unveil a whole new way of doing things. He’s Lloyd Carr, and the large sample of his work Michigan fans have–over a decade at this point–indicates that he’s going to go 9-3 and lose to Jim Tressel every year. Given the hullabaloo at this point, that doesn’t seem like quite enough for many Michigan fans.
At this rate–three in a row to the stealer of hearts and leader of men Jimmy T–he’ll end up occupying the John Cooper suite at the Outback Bowl shortly before his ignominious firing.
That guy. Oh, yeah. Part of the problem, too.
Hayes also misunderstands that Michigan fans are just tired of Lloyd’s ass and the way he does things. Fans are promiscuous and always looking for the next piece, even if the one they’ve got has been as good as you can ask for. (See Spurrier 1998-2000, when even Florida fans found room to complain about “underachieving” Gator teams.) Hayes implies that fans are stupid just for wanting something new, which is gross ignorance on his part. Fans are quite smart–emotional, petty, and demanding, but smart on the big things. What you’ve got with Michigan fans is a firm collective grasp on Carr’s optimal long-term performance, a steady and good stream of seasons without the spectacular bling of what some programs have done with new coaches winning championships within four or five years.
Carr is a victim of his own success–cliche, yes, but true. He’s just a few years out from being an “established winner” and more than a few years shy of being “an entrenched institution.” This dangerous, mid-life crisis period in a coach’s career has hit Phil Fulmer, too, another coach with multiple conference titles and a national championship ring whose supporters seem quick to cut them loose with another lackluster season. Coach envy kills quick, with the question for most Michigan fans not being “Do we keep Lloyd on?”, but rather “If/when we cut Lloyd loose, who’s going to be the best candidate for the job?” If there’s an attractive candidate for the job and Carr drudges through another 8-5ish season, Carr can draw the sword across his own belly and get it over with–not because it makes sense, but because that’s the political reality of being a coach hitting the decade mark on a meh note. In some ways, second year coaches have far more job security than tenth year ones, if and only if because they possess something shimmering and golden that the longtimers don’t: perceived potential.
Carr < shiny thing.
The shiny thing argument works here. It takes some time to explain, requires some context, and a modicum of respect for what large groups of people think. Or you could just be a dick and call Michigan fans and sports talk radio types dumb for finding the middling days of the Lloyd era irritating and saying so. The biggest whiff in the piece, though, is the omission of this fact: if those fat, loathsome sports radio types say Lloyd Carr is in trouble, then he is, and that’s for a reason: because callers and fans tell them he is. But that would be obvious, non-contrarian, and make for bad columns. It would also knock the sportswriter from his pulpit/perch at the apex of the punditry food chain and put the bullhorn radio guys and bloggers on a level playing field. (Though some sports talk guys really are at the Koko the Gorilla, communicate-in-sign-language, hold my pet kitten level of intelligence. But perhaps that’s a slap at Koko, actually.) Which brings us back to the refrain:
Matt Hayes=dick.
FIVE LOSSES DO NOT A CHAMP MAKE
It’s been a while since we’ve read a Matt Hayes column. There’s reasons for this. First, we’ve written before that Matt Hayes= “dick,” mostly for the way he handles his readers in his mailbags, but also for a general, creeping sense of smug informing his whole print persona. (Does he live in San Francisco? Just a question.) This–combined with the dorky photo of him on the Sporting News–awakens our latent bully gene and makes us want to beat him with a rake.
Matt Hayes enjoys the smell of his own opinions in front of a horrified audience.
And yet despite us not reading him for long stretches of time…he exists. (Sometimes not having a firm grip on object permanence can be a blessing.) And sometimes he wants to write about what morons talk radio guys are, particularly ones in Michigan suggesting Lloyd Carr’s one dud season away from retirement to the Woody Hayes Home for Grizzled Antisocial Old Guys.
I kindly remind Mr. Host that since 2000, three teams (Oklahoma, Ohio State and LSU) have followed five-loss seasons with national titles. Suddenly, there is silence.
Uh-huh. And some people think cucumbers taste better pickled. Meaningless crap comes in a zillion tasty varieties, and this is an example of two of them: seemingly impressive but actually irrelevant stat meets completely misunderstanding the context of the question.
Seemingly impressive stat: three five-loss teams have, since 2000, won national championships the following year. Meaning…next to nothing, actually. Five loss teams abound; three of them have happened to win the national championships. The significant factoid pushing each of those teams into a group is length of coaching tenure. LSU, Ohio State, and Oklahoma all differed dramatically from Michigan ’06’s hypothetical championship team in that these all came in the first four years of the head coach’s tenure, the big upswing into prominence/rebirth that all three of the aforementioned programs were arcing into under new coaching.
Little about the word “new” applies to Michigan’s head coach. With Lloyd, it’s not like he’s going to get all spry all of a sudden and morph into the next Knute Rockne and unveil a whole new way of doing things. He’s Lloyd Carr, and the large sample of his work Michigan fans have–over a decade at this point–indicates that he’s going to go 9-3 and lose to Jim Tressel every year. Given the hullabaloo at this point, that doesn’t seem like quite enough for many Michigan fans.
At this rate–three in a row to the stealer of hearts and leader of men Jimmy T–he’ll end up occupying the John Cooper suite at the Outback Bowl shortly before his ignominious firing.
That guy. Oh, yeah. Part of the problem, too.
Hayes also misunderstands that Michigan fans are just tired of Lloyd’s ass and the way he does things. Fans are promiscuous and always looking for the next piece, even if the one they’ve got has been as good as you can ask for. (See Spurrier 1998-2000, when even Florida fans found room to complain about “underachieving” Gator teams.) Hayes implies that fans are stupid just for wanting something new, which is gross ignorance on his part. Fans are quite smart–emotional, petty, and demanding, but smart on the big things. What you’ve got with Michigan fans is a firm collective grasp on Carr’s optimal long-term performance, a steady and good stream of seasons without the spectacular bling of what some programs have done with new coaches winning championships within four or five years.
Carr is a victim of his own success–cliche, yes, but true. He’s just a few years out from being an “established winner” and more than a few years shy of being “an entrenched institution.” This dangerous, mid-life crisis period in a coach’s career has hit Phil Fulmer, too, another coach with multiple conference titles and a national championship ring whose supporters seem quick to cut them loose with another lackluster season. Coach envy kills quick, with the question for most Michigan fans not being “Do we keep Lloyd on?”, but rather “If/when we cut Lloyd loose, who’s going to be the best candidate for the job?” If there’s an attractive candidate for the job and Carr drudges through another 8-5ish season, Carr can draw the sword across his own belly and get it over with–not because it makes sense, but because that’s the political reality of being a coach hitting the decade mark on a meh note. In some ways, second year coaches have far more job security than tenth year ones, if and only if because they possess something shimmering and golden that the longtimers don’t: perceived potential.
Carr < shiny thing.
The shiny thing argument works here. It takes some time to explain, requires some context, and a modicum of respect for what large groups of people think. Or you could just be a dick and call Michigan fans and sports talk radio types dumb for finding the middling days of the Lloyd era irritating and saying so. The biggest whiff in the piece, though, is the omission of this fact: if those fat, loathsome sports radio types say Lloyd Carr is in trouble, then he is, and that’s for a reason: because callers and fans tell them he is. But that would be obvious, non-contrarian, and make for bad columns. It would also knock the sportswriter from his pulpit/perch at the apex of the punditry food chain and put the bullhorn radio guys and bloggers on a level playing field. (Though some sports talk guys really are at the Koko the Gorilla, communicate-in-sign-language, hold my pet kitten level of intelligence. But perhaps that’s a slap at Koko, actually.) Which brings us back to the refrain:
Matt Hayes=dick.
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zincfinger
Gert Frobe-approved
Good article, and right on the money on Hayes, in my opinion. Great juxtaposition of these two pictures.
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Sporting News: Lloyd Sucks
Sporting News
6/19
Sorry, Lloyd: No hails for you
June 19, 2006
Year in and year out, no Big Ten team has more talent.
Year in and year out, no Big Ten team is more disappointing. The common denominator: coaching. Hmmmm. Let's call this a make-or-break season for Lloyd Carr. He can handle it, right?
Some may think Carr isn't on a hot seat. Maybe that person is Mrs. Carr. But even she can throw these stats at you: Carr is 102-34 in 11 years with five Big Ten championships and one national championship.
Pretty good. But at places like Michigan, "pretty good" isn't good enough. If it isn't great, get it outta here!
Hey, I didn't create the world of big-time college football. This is just the way things are for schools that have 100,000-seat stadiums, lavish facilities, years of tradition, their pick of talent, mountains of money and tons of arrogance.
If Carr doesn't like the heat, he can go coach Eastern Michigan.
But I will give Carr and Michigan credit: They never have fallen on their keister like every other major program. USC, Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, Penn State, Oklahoma, Georgia, Miami, Nebraska, LSU, Notre Dame … all of those college football fat boys have had losing records at some point over the past 15-20 years.
Not Michigan.
The Wolverines have the nation's longest active bowl streak, last missing the postseason in 1974.
Here's a prediction even the ampersand key on my keyboard could make: Big Blue won't be home for the holidays for a 32nd consecutive season this year. Thanks, ampersand key!
Shoot, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Wolverines win the Big Ten. The dang offense is loaded--Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Kevin Grady, Steve Breaston, Mario Manningham, Tyler Ecker. The line just has to jell. But . . .
"Look at the scoreboard of the Michigan-Ohio State game, and Michigan is running for 32 yards," said a Big Ten offensive coordinator. "There's something wrong with that picture. For whatever reason, Michigan has become a finesse team. Throw the ball, throw the ball."
The defense (like most of the roster) is slimmed down and promises to be more aggressive and unpredictable. Oh, and there's talent. It's Michigan, for crying out loud!
But don't go belting out "The Victors" just yet, Big Blue Boy. Here are three big reasons to wash that paint off your face and take that rose out of your mouth: at Notre Dame, at Penn State, at Ohio State.
Now stop crying and pick yourself off the floor. It's gonna be OK. Sporting News thinks your Wolverines will finish 9-3 overall, and 6-2 in the Big Ten.
That's Michigan: consistently great -- but almost always never quite great enough.
Sporting News
6/19
Sorry, Lloyd: No hails for you
June 19, 2006
Year in and year out, no Big Ten team has more talent.
Year in and year out, no Big Ten team is more disappointing. The common denominator: coaching. Hmmmm. Let's call this a make-or-break season for Lloyd Carr. He can handle it, right?
Some may think Carr isn't on a hot seat. Maybe that person is Mrs. Carr. But even she can throw these stats at you: Carr is 102-34 in 11 years with five Big Ten championships and one national championship.
Pretty good. But at places like Michigan, "pretty good" isn't good enough. If it isn't great, get it outta here!
Hey, I didn't create the world of big-time college football. This is just the way things are for schools that have 100,000-seat stadiums, lavish facilities, years of tradition, their pick of talent, mountains of money and tons of arrogance.
If Carr doesn't like the heat, he can go coach Eastern Michigan.
But I will give Carr and Michigan credit: They never have fallen on their keister like every other major program. USC, Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, Penn State, Oklahoma, Georgia, Miami, Nebraska, LSU, Notre Dame … all of those college football fat boys have had losing records at some point over the past 15-20 years.
Not Michigan.
The Wolverines have the nation's longest active bowl streak, last missing the postseason in 1974.
Here's a prediction even the ampersand key on my keyboard could make: Big Blue won't be home for the holidays for a 32nd consecutive season this year. Thanks, ampersand key!
Shoot, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Wolverines win the Big Ten. The dang offense is loaded--Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Kevin Grady, Steve Breaston, Mario Manningham, Tyler Ecker. The line just has to jell. But . . .
"Look at the scoreboard of the Michigan-Ohio State game, and Michigan is running for 32 yards," said a Big Ten offensive coordinator. "There's something wrong with that picture. For whatever reason, Michigan has become a finesse team. Throw the ball, throw the ball."
The defense (like most of the roster) is slimmed down and promises to be more aggressive and unpredictable. Oh, and there's talent. It's Michigan, for crying out loud!
But don't go belting out "The Victors" just yet, Big Blue Boy. Here are three big reasons to wash that paint off your face and take that rose out of your mouth: at Notre Dame, at Penn State, at Ohio State.
Now stop crying and pick yourself off the floor. It's gonna be OK. Sporting News thinks your Wolverines will finish 9-3 overall, and 6-2 in the Big Ten.
That's Michigan: consistently great -- but almost always never quite great enough.
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NightmaresDad
Woody Rules!
Then you'd better write one yourself!
These days those are about as rare as a perfect set of teeth at Larry the Cable Guy's family reunion.
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