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Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

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WolverineMike;1935482; said:
The fact you think Pau isn't elite ends my discussion with you. Ridiculous.
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You think Pau is elite, and yet you said this about Bosh: he "hasn't showed me much more than being the best player on a crappy Toronto team." :lol:. Not saying that Bosh is a much better player than Pau, but to call Pau elite and Bosh not is an absolute joke. I think anyone who has ever seen each of them play for longer than 5 minutes would disagree with you.

Then again, ignoring reality and twisting facts always has been a hallmark of scUM logic.
 
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OH10;1935522; said:
And I guarantee you Cleveland finds a way to make that deal IF they could have gotten Lebron and Amare to commit. Every indication is that Amare didn't want to play in Cleveland; Lebron did nothing to convince him otherwise.

In fact, in 7 years in Cleveland, Lebron did nothing to convince anybody of significance to play for the Cavs. He was the only attraction we had for free agents; but no one wants to be left in the cold.

I'm tired of arguing with the apologists. The evidence suggests strongly that Lebron, DWade and Bosh colluded a long time ago to achieve their objective. The league that should have been able to market itself off these guys competing against each other is now a boring farce.

Lebron is a p-u-s-s-y. The end.
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that deal was worth the risk. i know hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time it was being rumored it was a gamble worth taking.
 
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pharaz1;1935528; said:
that deal was worth the risk. i know hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time it was being rumored it was a gamble worth taking.
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Nothing would have changed. No one even knows if the Cavs could have pulled off that deal.

And if they had, they'd be in even worse shape now than they already are. It was not a gamble worth taking. Lebron was already out the door. He wouldn't even give ownership the courtesy of letting them know what he was going to do before he announced it on national television; let alone the courtesy when trying to make a potential franchise-saving decision.

Keep up the good fight though. Keep defending the indefensible.
 
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OH10;1935537; said:
Nothing would have changed. No one even knows if the Cavs could have pulled off that deal.

And if they had, they'd be in even worse shape now than they already are. It was not a gamble worth taking. Lebron was already out the door. He wouldn't even give ownership the courtesy of letting them know what he was going to do before he announced it on national television; let alone the courtesy when trying to make a potential franchise-saving decision.

Keep up the good fight though. Keep defending the indefensible.
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i never defended the way lebron went out. i can understand why he left. but i definitely think the way he left was classless. i agree with everything that shaq said about the way it went down. but with even the risk of both of those guys leaving i still think they should have taken a shot at it. nothing was a 100% and set in stone. pair him up with a legit, proven player and put the pressure on him.
 
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pharaz1;1935542; said:
but with even the risk of both of those guys leaving i still think they should have taken a shot at it. nothing was a 100% and set in stone. pair him up with a legit, proven player and put the pressure on him.
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The die had been cast. It wasn't worth risk then, and it especially wasn't worth it in hindsight. LeBron had already made up his mind when the trade deadline approached. He had made up his mind when he had dinner with Pat Riley earlier that season, discussed the idea that wearing #23 was an affront to Michael Jordan and changed his jersey number with the Cavs. He had made up his mind when he was chumming it up with Wade and RuPaul in Beijing.

If Amar'e had being brought to Cleveland it just would have meant a few more left-handed free throws to get his point across.
 
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jlb1705;1935564; said:
The die had been cast. It wasn't worth risk then, and it especially wasn't worth it in hindsight. LeBron had already made up his mind when the trade deadline approached. He had made up his mind when he had dinner with Pat Riley earlier that season, discussed the idea that wearing #23 was an affront to Michael Jordan and changed his jersey number with the Cavs. He had made up his mind when he was chumming it up with Wade and RuPaul in Beijing.

If Amar'e had being brought to Cleveland it just would have meant a few more left-handed free throws to get his point across.
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didn't he get a triple double in that game he shot left handed free throws?
 
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Tlangs;1935567; said:
didn't he get a triple double in that game he shot left handed free throws?
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he actually put up a decent stat-line in the game he "died" on his teammates as Boobie Gibson talked about.

He put up a lot of empty stats in that series against Boston. I'm not sure what your point is...
 
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buckeyesin07;1935523; said:
You think Pau is elite, and yet you said this about Bosh: he "hasn't showed me much more than being the best player on a crappy Toronto team." :lol:. Not saying that Bosh is a much better player than Pau, but to call Pau elite and Bosh not is an absolute joke. I think anyone who has ever seen each of them play for longer than 5 minutes would disagree with you.

Then again, ignoring reality and twisting facts always has been a hallmark of scUM logic.
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Bosh is not the presence that Pau is.......Bosh is a star, but he's not elite. Pau is a superstar that teams have to game plan for.


I love how a simple conversation that involves opinions that differ is simply explained by "scUM logic."
 
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WolverineMike;1935586; said:
Bosh is not the presence that Pau is.......Bosh is a star, but he's not elite. Pau is a superstar that teams have to game plan for.
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Bosh is a star? A minute ago he "hasn't showed [you] much more than being the best player on a crappy Toronto team." Backpedal much? To call Pau a superstar and elite while not giving the same credit to Bosh is an absolute joke.
 
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billmac91;1935581; said:
he actually put up a decent stat-line in the game he "died" on his teammates as Boobie Gibson talked about.

He put up a lot of empty stats in that series against Boston. I'm not sure what your point is...
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my point is you would think that he averaged 15 pts and 2 rebounds in that Boston series last season with the revisionist history that goes on around here regarding Lebron's time in Cleveland. (27 pts, 10 assists, and 19 rebounds in the game in which he "gave up" and 27,9,7 for the series)
 
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WolverineMike;1935586; said:
Bosh is not the presence that Pau is.......Bosh is a star, but he's not elite. Pau is a superstar that teams have to game plan for.


I love how a simple conversation that involves opinions that differ is simply explained by "scUM logic."
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What else can explain half the shit you say?
 
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