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LB Marcus Freeman (HC Notre Dame, Constant Backtracker)

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Name a current starter in the back seven--especially in the secondary--who looks like a sure-fire NFL pick...go ahead, I'll wait.

People are blaming Grinch when he hasn't been here but 9-10 months. We've had issues with the back seven for at least two full seasons now, it just got exacerbated this season with player turnover and possibly some head-butting between Sciano and Grinch. At least in The Game the LBs played solid for the most part (there was only one play where a LB was clearly out of position resulting in a big run). The secondary has been the Achilles heel, more so than any season I can remember.

Anyway, back to the thread subject. I think Freeman would be a great replacement for Davis as LB coach.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Name a current starter in the back seven--especially in the secondary--who looks like a sure-fire NFL pick...go ahead, I'll wait.

People are blaming Grinch when he hasn't been here but 9-10 months. We've had issues with the back seven for at least two full seasons now, it just got exacerbated this season with player turnover and possibly some head-butting between Sciano and Grinch. At least in The Game the LBs played solid for the most part (there was only one play where a LB was clearly out of position resulting in a big run). The secondary has been the Achilles heel, more so than any season I can remember.

Anyway, back to the thread subject. I think Freeman would be a great replacement for Davis as LB coach.
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I'd say Jordan Fuller could eventually be a first round draft pick, or at least a second round one. Other then that, agreed, I personally believe that both Arnette and Sheffield are better as zone corners, and don't have the quality, especially technique wise, that we are used to seeing in the last 4-5 years.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
the coaching transition had a lot to do with it no doubt, but the player turnover can't be ignored either.

2018 was a year where the roster turnover and injury to Bosa created a pool of players (especially in the back 7) that just weren't capable of being a top 10 defense (at least at this point in their careers) when you mixed in something not being right with the coaching as well.
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I agree that the pool of players isn't up to our usual Top 10 standards... but they definitely should not be the 67th ranked defense. Given our recruiting, there's no way there are 66 "more talented" defenses in the country.

To put it into perspective, we're exactly 1 place ahead of Ohio University. That's on coaching and coaching alone
 
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redguard117 said:
I agree that the pool of players isn't up to our usual Top 10 standards... but they definitely should not be the 67th ranked defense. Given our recruiting, there's no way there are 66 "more talented" defenses in the country.

To put it into perspective, we're exactly 1 place ahead of Ohio University. That's on coaching and coaching alone
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so then by that logic we should fire Johnson asap.

Grinch did better than 67th three times by himself with WSU level talent.

Schiano and company have been top 10 the past 3-4 years before '18.

If it can only be coaching then losing Coombs and replacing him with Johnson must be the problem.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
so then by that logic we should fire Johnson asap.

Grinch did better than 67th three times by himself with WSU level talent.

Schiano and company have been top 10 the past 3-4 years before '18.

If it can only be coaching then losing Coombs and replacing him with Johnson must be the problem.
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Not going to argue as I think you're missing my point entirely.

The players aren't top 10 caliber, but they're also certainly not 67th caliber.

We had a system that worked for years. That system has been disrupted with the successive losses of Ash/Fickell/Coombs. Grinch and Johnson are good coaches in their own right and have a solid track record, but I believe the *transition* of defensive scheme (i.e. coaching) to their philosophies from what was previously working, is responsible.
 
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redguard117 said:
Not going to argue as I think you're missing my point entirely.

The players aren't top 10 caliber, but they're also certainly not 67th caliber.

We had a system that worked for years. That system has been disrupted with the successive losses of Ash/Fickell/Coombs. Grinch and Johnson are good coaches in their own right and have a solid track record, but I believe the *transition* of defensive scheme (i.e. coaching changes) are responsible.
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Sure that's responsible, so is the fact the corners aren't as good. So is the fact the LB's are very young. So is the loss of Bosa.

It's never just one simple thing in football.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Sure that's responsible, so is the fact the corners aren't as good. So is the fact the LB's are very young. So is the loss of Bosa.

It's never just one simple thing in football.
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Agree - but other Big Ten teams with less talented corners, equally young LBs, and no future top 3 pick have somehow managed to put defenses on the field ranked much higher than 67th.

Lack of talent and youth may be why we're not Top 10, but coaching is why we're 67th
 
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Replacing Arnett at corner would probably help this defense a lot. And Sheffield needs to stay and work on his technique another year. That's 2 corners right there who haven't lived up to previous season players. And then there was the issue of finding a second safety that took nearly the whole eason and Spring.
UGH!
 
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redguard117 said:
Lack of talent and youth may be why we're not Top 10, but coaching is why we're 67th
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I don't believe in the lack of raw talent. The last four recruiting classes have been ranked 2, 4, 7 and 3 nationally. I do believe in you statement about coaching. How are these players developed when they get here? How much do we see them in garbage time to get experience? It is amazing to see the change in the receivers when Hartline took over.
 
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Taosman said:
Replacing Arnett at corner would probably help this defense a lot. And Sheffield needs to stay and work on his technique another year. That's 2 corners right there who haven't lived up to previous season players. And then there was the issue of finding a second safety that took nearly the whole eason and Spring.
UGH!
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Sheffield needs to move to Free Safety and use his speed to cover the deep ball without turning and running.
Wade and Okudah wont be kept out of the lineup next year and will probably star for us. Arnette will get plenty of playing time and a change in philosophy will probably do him good. Okudah, Wade, Arnette at corner and Sheffield and White at Safety. I'd take that in a heart beat.
 
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Not to muck up Marcus' thread BUT if coaching isn't an issue then I would love an explanation as to the half-assed press techniques I'm seeing and the poorly conceived flipped bail I saw on plenty of occasions...

Also worth pointing out, everytime under Meyer or between the Tressel to Meyer transition that this team had a systemic weakness at a position group - a coaching changed solved the bulk of the issue. Oline, defense, WR's from last year to this year and now the back 7. Those are results that are hard to ignore.
 
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