Lane Kiffin (HC Ole/Young Miss & Twitter Troll King)

[Dryden]

SI's take on the Kiffin dustup. I don't think Kiffin was serious when he was talking about the supposed violation. After admitting that he deliberately tried to mislead Florida into thinking Richardson wasn't at Tennessee, how can you claim another coach is committing a violation by calling him that weekend - even if you really did believe it was against the rules for another coach to do so?

It seems to me that he's trying to play the old Steve Spurrier role in spicing things up with quotes that will get both sides fired up. But from the opposite side from where the "You can't spell Citrus without U-T" came from.

I think you're giving Kiffin too much credit. He's never proved himself to be that clever.

I just cannot rationalize how Kiffin can go to the University of Roy Adams AND bring Orgeron with him, then accuse other coaches of shady recruiting tactics one month into the job. At the same time he's accusing other head coaches of poaching, he's impersonating a recruit and sending text messages with that recruit's phone.

Occam's Razor. I think the simplest answer is the correct one. Kiffin is a spoiled 32 year old guy that has had his ego stroked for far too long and is living high off his dad's name. He's an immature frat boy. Al Davis was right when he called him a chronic, pathological liar.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

i think sometimes recruiting is summed up by comments "gentlemens agreements are only between gentlemen..."

that being said b10 dont walk on water all the time as some may point out (i will not this time of year many actually do walk on water-in the form of frozen ponds/lakes).

we have seen a degeneration were "negative recruiting" used to be the gee golly wow hes a crook (i refer to "hey look at their african american graduation rates, oh look here i have a chart of the rates for all teams") or whatnot to snake oil salesmen houdnign kids, calling from phone booths. it might just be odd that these influxes come from sec/big east schools.

now i will point out ohio state has stolen more than one recruit. heck you can name about one every year. but the gentlemens agreement used to be you didnt actively recruit committed kids and that when a kid said "nah, no thanks coach" you were done. thats gone out the door...

 

[IronBuckI]

...now i will point out ohio state has stolen more than one recruit. heck you can name about one every year. but the gentlemens agreement used to be you didnt actively recruit committed kids and that when a kid said "nah, no thanks coach" you were done. thats gone out the door...

Tommy Bowden ( I think it was him) mentioned on ESPN radio the other day that it's actually the opposite now. His phrase was, "No means go". Now that they have a specific school to target, that's when recruiting really picks up. The only way to halt this kind of stuff is to add an early signing period.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Tommy Bowden ( I think it was him) mentioned on ESPN radio the other day that it's actually the opposite now. His phrase was, "No means go". Now that they have a specific school to target, that's when recruiting really picks up. The only way to halt this kind of stuff is to add an early signing period.

then wouldnt it just start the process earlier? i mean they are going to hound harder before that period then?

the only solution is come down like an SOB on any violation. put the fear in the fearless' faces...

 

[Gatorubet]

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The Meat Market Jevan Sneed thing didn't look to good either

Because it is beyond belief. But then, the Big Lie is better than a small one because you still repeat it.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Because it is beyond belief. But then, the Big Lie is better than a small one because you still repeat it.

 

[BB73]

I think you're giving Kiffin too much credit. He's never proved himself to be that clever.

I just cannot rationalize how Kiffin can go to the University of Roy Adams AND bring Orgeron with him, then accuse other coaches of shady recruiting tactics one month into the job. At the same time he's accusing other head coaches of poaching, he's impersonating a recruit and sending text messages with that recruit's phone.

Occam's Razor. I think the simplest answer is the correct one. Kiffin is a spoiled 32 year old guy that has had his ego stroked for far too long and is living high off his dad's name. He's an immature frat boy. Al Davis was right when he called him a chronic, pathological liar.

I'm not saying he's clever. I don't think he meant to get censured by the SEC office, although that's just a slap on the wrist. I thin he was just being brash to try to impress the UT boosters (who certainly remember how Spurrier used to mock UT); and making the attempt to stand up to the current King of the Mountain in his region, in the same way that Neuheisel did after he got to LA last year. Neuheisel has already been severely burned, though, so he was a little wiser in how he made his public attempt at being on equal footing with Carroll.

 

[DaytonBuck]

So Meat Market's allegations are lies?

 

[Dryden]

I'm not saying he's clever. I don't think he meant to get censured by the SEC office, although that's just a slap on the wrist. I thin he was just being brash to try to impress the UT boosters (who certainly remember how Spurrier used to mock UT); and making the attempt to stand up to the current King of the Mountain in his region, in the same way that Neuheisel did after he got to LA last year. Neuheisel has already been severely burned, though, so he was a little wiser in how he made his public attempt at being on equal footing with Carroll.

Maybe. I guess my impression is heavily shaped by Lane's interview with ESPN after Al Davis had his bizarre press conference to explain the Oakland firing. When Kiffin did that interview, he came across (to me) as being one of those preppy rich brats from Scent of a Woman that expected his dad to swoop in and rescue him.

How dare you fire me, my dad is Monte Kiffin!

 

[BB73]

Maybe. I guess my impression is heavily shaped by Lane's interview with ESPN after Al Davis had his bizarre press conference to explain the Oakland firing. When Kiffin did that interview, he came across (to me) as being one of those preppy rich brats from Scent of a Woman that expected his dad to swoop in and rescue him.

How dare you fire me, my dad is Monte Kiffin!

Another potential reason why he wanted to talk tough at UT so far: he doesn't want the good old boys to think that he's too young and in over his head. So he tries to talk tough, goes too far, and thus proves that he's too young and in over his head.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Good Lord. Yeah, the Big-10 does not want aggressive recruiting from its coaches...

Do you even get how silly this makes you sound? The Woofman said nothing about dishonesty nor did he imply that we condone impropriety. We do like a coach that get after recruiting and does everything within the rules to get some studs. Without the athletic talent you will not win, despite the best coaching in the world.

The idea that the Big 10 is filled with Coaches of Gandhi like pacificity when it comes to recruiting is laughable. "Please Sir, feel free to take my player, and may he prosper in the laudable academic environment at your fine institution."

Your hyperbole aside, do you really not see that there is a difference in perspective among SEC fans and Big Ten fans here, which has clearly been on display in this thread? It's your tolerance for what constitutes acceptable recruiting that colors whether you think what your coach does is right or not.

 

[Gatorubet]

 

[Gatorubet]

Your hyperbole aside, do you really not see that there is a difference in perspective among SEC fans and Big Ten fans here, which has clearly been on display in this thread?

No. Articulate it.

It's your tolerance for what constitutes acceptable recruiting that colors whether you think what your coach does is right or not.

Again, give one example. Give any example on this thread of an SEC recruiting practice that Nutria or Woof or I said we condoned that you Big 10 fans do not.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

No. Articulate it.



Again, give one example. Give any example on this thread of an SEC recruiting practice that Nutria or Woof or I said we condoned that you Big 10 fans do not.

I think the three of you each said you think paying players to get them to commit was perfectly fine... "cool" I think you each said... in turn... as expected of the SEC fan....

Or...

maybe I just made that up. I forget.

 

[BUCKYLE]

So SEC fans don't condone it...but their programs do it more often? I mean, if Tennessee's fans didn't condone it...or at least turn a blind eye...how the fuck did Phat Phil keep his job for so long...and even then, it wasn't the cheating that got him fired...it was losing.