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Kiyaunta Goodwin (OL Kentucky, transfer to Florida)

Comparing Stud's recruiting chops against Hartline's is not fair. How does Stud compare to Jim Bollman or Ed Warriner? I think Stud is still an upgrade.

Hell, we got a 5 star OL each the last 5 recruiting years. I think that alone is an upgrade.

2021: Donovan Jackson
2020: Paris Johnson
2019: Harry Miller
2018: Nicholas Petit-Frere
2017: Wyatt Davis
 
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Hell, we got a 5 star OL each the last 5 recruiting years. I think that alone is an upgrade.

2021: Donovan Jackson
2020: Paris Johnson
2019: Harry Miller
2018: Nicholas Petit-Frere
2017: Wyatt Davis

As good as that sounds, 2 of the 5 are IOL, and no one has argued about him getting interior players. He has struck out with the OTs constantly
 
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Hell, we got a 5 star OL each the last 5 recruiting years. I think that alone is an upgrade.

2021: Donovan Jackson
2020: Paris Johnson
2019: Harry Miller
2018: Nicholas Petit-Frere
2017: Wyatt Davis
Exactly... I dont get this "well stud is an average developer and a crap recruiter"... what more can we ask for here. We get 1 five star kid per cycle and pretty much multiple 4 star kids with some being borderline 5stars.
 
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Maybe we should ask Carman, Latham, Leigh or Goodwin?

No one knows the reason why but the difference in recruiting of tackles vs interior guys has been markedly different.
Carmen is still watching Lawrence get destroyed by our DL and Latham went to Alabama.

Goodwin has done absolutely nothing but throw around inferior talent.

Let's see what Latham and Goodwin do 1st year first.
 
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Carmen is still watching Lawrence get destroyed by our DL and Latham went to Alabama.

Goodwin has done absolutely nothing but throw around inferior talent.

Let's see what Latham and Goodwin do 1st year first.

and what does any of that have to do with the fact our OL coach targeted each of them and swung and missed?
 
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and what does any of that have to do with the fact our OL coach targeted each of them and swung and missed?
Jackson was not the dominate player we thought he'd be and we haven't seen anything from Latham who didn't even get to visit.

Latham was ours supposedly had he visited.

Yet still somehow we are landing a blue chip 5 star guy per class. It's not realistic to get 2 per year.
 
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Jackson was not the dominate player we thought he'd be and we haven't seen anything from Latham who didn't even get to visit.

So you are saying Stud knew they weren't great and cooled on them? If he didn't want them, why were they on top of the board with OSU supposedly in the lead for many months?

The point is about the moment of recruiting, not what some have become after the fact (even if I bought into your assessment of them, which I do not.)

Latham was ours supposedly had he visited.

OSU was the supposed leader for all of the guys I mentioned except Leigh at some point or another. That come from ahead loss trend is part of the conversation.

Yet still somehow we are landing a blue chip 5 star guy per class. It's not realistic to get 2 per year.

No one put a number on how many 5 stars per class and, again, OT vs Interior OL. No one said he hasn't done a great job with guards and centers.


This sounds like one of the conversations back in the day where people were trying to tell me I shouldn't be concerned about Tressel's offense because OSu won another heart attack game 17-10. Just like I said back then, don't confuse results with approach. The two things are not mutually exclusive, you can be good at both.

Stud's OT recruiting has had more misses than wins recently and, imo, counting on continued development of the fall back guys isn't an optimal strategy. This is Ohio State. Recruit like the rest of the coaches on staff do and go get your fair share of the top targets at all the positions you are responsible for, not just 60% of them.
 
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So you are saying Stud knew they weren't great and cooled on them? If he didn't want them, why were they on top of the board with OSU supposedly in the lead for many months?

The point is about the moment of recruiting, not what some have become after the fact (even if I bought into your assessment of them, which I do not.)



OSU was the supposed leader for all of the guys I mentioned except Leigh at some point or another. That come from ahead loss trend is part of the conversation.



No one put a number on how many 5 stars per class and, again, OT vs Interior OL. No one said he hasn't done a great job with guards and centers.


This sounds like one of the conversations back in the day where people were trying to tell me I shouldn't be concerned about Tressel's offense because OSu won another heart attack game 17-10. Just like I said back then, don't confuse results with approach. The two things are not mutually exclusive, you can be good at both.

Stud's OT recruiting has had more misses than wins recently and, imo, counting on continued development of the fall back guys isn't an optimal strategy. This is Ohio State. Recruit like the rest of the coaches on staff do and go get your fair share of the top targets at all the positions you are responsible for, not just 60% of them.
No my point was we shouldn't pretend "what could have been" with Carmen. Yes it's a miss by all intent but in the end no it really wasn't.

Stud has landed star OTs, OGs and Cs. I am baffled by this really because of where this unit use to be under Warriner and particularly under Bollman. Yeah he's not landing everyone but I mean come on guys he's landing Harry Miller, Parris Johnson, Jackson, Ben Christman, NPF (*), Wyatt Davis, Josh Myers, Wypler and Vemahi (both 95s).

That doesn't even include the 3 stars of which Fryar appears to be a rock star and then Jonah Jackson as a transfer.

This OL room is a legit 2 deep at every position. Now I don't doubt theres OL coaches better but considering where we use to be? Sign me up as a stud fan.
 
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