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Kiyaunta Goodwin (OL Kentucky, transfer to Florida)

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Buckeye86 said:


Birm outright says that Kentucky is telling Goodwin that the recruiting dead period is never going to end so he should commit, while Ohio State and others (presumably everyone but especially Bama and Clemson) are telling him it will end and he can visit soon so he should wait.

Birm says that Goodwin has been highly frustrated during the dead period and that is a motivating factor for the early announcement.

This reminds me of the Jordan Hancock recruitment last year, where a school blatantly manipulated a kids emotions into an early commitment. Once things leveled out with Hancock he reevaluated and chose Ohio State. Hopefully the same thing plays out for Goodwin and Ohio State.

Given that today it was announced the dead period will end, you’d hope that would be negative points for Kentucky in Goodwin’s book.

While I am a little hesitant to say Kentucky outright lied to him (that the dead period is never going to end, as confirmed by Birm) to get an early commitment, at the very least they were clearly completely wrong on that.

If Goodwin delays his announcement that would obviously be a good sign for everyone other than Kentucky, and hopefully Ohio State would regain its place as the presumptive leader with an official visit scheduled in the very near future.

They also emphasized that even if the commitment moves forward the recruitment would be far from over, and an official visit being scheduled would confirm that as well. Birm confirms that Goodwin will take visits no matter what... so interesting situation, and again, hopefully Kentucky gets burned a little here for taking their shot in a seemingly manipulative way and being wrong.
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This was the biggest part of that video. I could care less that he commits, because it means nothing. He hasn't signed anything. And OSU has a great history of flipping kids anyway from better schools than UK, so I think we're in this until the end. Another conference championship, and another berth in the CFP could look better than watching the team he's committed to go .500... Again. I feel more confident now than before watching this video.
 
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pnuts34 said:
This was the biggest part of that video. I could care less that he commits, because it means nothing. He hasn't signed anything. And OSU has a great history of flipping kids anyway from better schools than UK, so I think we're in this until the end. Another conference championship, and another berth in the CFP could look better than watching the team he's committed to go .500... Again. I feel more confident now than before watching this video.
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^^THIS^^

My attitude has always been:

1) long time until signing day
2) just wait until he sees more failure on field for UK and success at tOSU
3) just wait until this draft and he sees the draft projections for Munford and NPF in the next one
4) this is the most important point....if the above reasons don’t matter at all and tOSU isn’t in strong consideration and he’s solid to UK then the staff has dodged a bullet.

“It’s not the ones you miss on it’s the ones you land that don’t pan out”

-paraphrasing something Urb said and I believe to be true.
 
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ShowMe, it may have been none other than John (Coop) Cooper who said something to the effect of......."if you miss on a guy, you only have to see him once a year. But if you land one that doesn't pan out, you have to see them every day." Might have gotten the quote a bit sideways, but believe that was the gist of the content......Might be fun for some of the more ambitious BPers to see how many 4-5*s at tOSU didn't get drafted, versus the 3*ers that did. And for an extra degree of difficulty, how high....Go Bucks!
 
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calibuck said:
ShowMe, it may have been none other than John (Coop) Cooper who said something to the effect of......."if you miss on a guy, you only have to see him once a year. But if you land one that doesn't pan out, you have to see them every day." Might have gotten the quote a bit sideways, but believe that was the gist of the content......Might be fun for some of the more ambitious BPers to see how many 4-5*s at tOSU didn't get drafted, versus the 3*ers that did. And for an extra degree of difficulty, how high....Go Bucks!
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If anyone tries to show a correlation between stars and NFL drafts you have to take into account that every year, the smallest amount of kids are rated 5 star. The largest amount are rated 3 stars. Net, net is when people start the "stars don't matter" thing, they are usually either cherry picking examples or using flawed analysis.

Also, if you ever find yourself quoting John Cooper about anything you probably want to stop and reconsider.

If this stays this way, it was a huge miss. No way to rationalize it to make it seem like no biggie.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
If anyone tries to show a correlation between stars and NFL drafts you have to take into account that every year, the smallest amount of kids are rated 5 star. The largest amount are rated 3 stars. Net, net is when people start the "stars don't matter" thing, they are usually either cherry picking examples or using flawed analysis.

Also, if you ever find yourself quoting John Cooper about anything you probably want to stop and reconsider.

If this stays this way, it was a huge miss. No way to rationalize it to make it seem like no biggie.
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Better check your hole card.
That dog won't hunt.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
If anyone tries to show a correlation between stars and NFL drafts you have to take into account that every year, the smallest amount of kids are rated 5 star. The largest amount are rated 3 stars. Net, net is when people start the "stars don't matter" thing, they are usually either cherry picking examples or using flawed analysis.

Also, if you ever find yourself quoting John Cooper about anything you probably want to stop and reconsider.

If this stays this way, it was a huge miss. No way to rationalize it to make it seem like no biggie.
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Not specifically disagreeing with your point but I do think it’s worth considering that the other elite schools missed out as well. Do they have as much of a “relationship” as tOSU? Maybe and maybe not.

The point is, perhaps it should be acknowledged that Goodwin might have simply made the pick he wanted and has less to do with Stud “blowing it”.
 
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“Coming in as a freshman, this is probably one of the most competitive places I’ve ever seen or been a part of,” he said. “The competitive nature and the strive for excellence that every single player and coach, even our staff has, at trying to be the best at whatever they can do — that was the first thing that stuck out to me.”

-NPF
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Not specifically disagreeing with your point but I do think it’s worth considering that the other elite schools missed out as well. Do they have as much of a “relationship” as tOSU? Maybe and maybe not.

The point is, perhaps it should be acknowledged that Goodwin might have simply made the pick he wanted and has less to do with Stud “blowing it”.
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I've given the names and reasons why I consider it a trend and not just an isolated case.

There is always a reason, never an excuse. Start landing some of the top OT prospects you offer and the questions go away. Pretty simple really.
 
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