King bumps his gums on the pickle

[hatehineygate]

Holy [censored]!! Mayock says' it so it has to be the gospel!!

Look, Russell could sling the rock, there's not a doubt about that he has impressive strength for ANY QB I've ever seen. However he's essentially a functioning retard (apologies to anyone I may offend there) He just doesn't have it together between the ears, plain and simple. Al Davis and other scouts were awwed by his physical abilities, 95% of the QB position is mental. Hense Jamarcus' inability to cut it as an NFL QB.

NFL coaches, GM's and Presidents etc etc are looking for smarter players more and more (great example being Mangini) because being a workout warrior or physical freak only does so much.

Did you remember the 1st Qtr interview between Troy Smith and Jamarcus Russell when we played LSU? Holy hell the difference was night and day. I vividly remember looking at my friend and saying "he's flat out dumb"

Guess what? Turns out I was right.



It can also showcase some weakness' or highlight area's which partaking QB's avoid and believe me - NFL scouts take notice very quickly.

I agree, Jamarcus is pretty stupid and I dont think anyone in their right mind would have drafted him 1st, but in regards to pro day workouts I think you will have to agree that while scouts will notice is something is avoided, they are never set up for the QB to fail.

Bull. [censored]ing. [censored]. And at this point there's no way those stats will convince me otherwise.

2008 Texas Longhorns schedule included an 11 win Texas Tech, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mizzou (with Chase Daniels) Oklahoma State, Baylor, and finally tOSU. In 2008 the Big 12 played some of the worst defense in tghe country. Bradford benifited from playing teams that ranked in the 70s-100s in passing yards allowed per game and passing efficiency defense. Texas in particular was horrible, Texas Tech was actually one of the best. This past season was a little better for the Big 12 as Nebraska brought the rankings up. Notre Dame still played teams that had better defensive rankings.
NCAA Football Statistics


2008 Notre Damn schedule - the worst M*chigan team in school history, a 7 win Sparty, a decent UNC, a 0 win Washington, then a prompt ass beating from USC.

Aside from USC, who on that schedule compares to Texas' lineup?

Oh wait sorry, Notre Dame then went to beat freaking Hawaii, again, while Texas played a #10 tOSU.


I'll say it now, I care less about stats, or they have to be skewed somehow because Okie State would have destroyed anybody on Notre Dame's lineup that year aside from USC.
That is very true and no one loved watching the domers get beaten more than I did. But, you can not bring up team aspects without adressing Notre Dames total lack of defense.


In what way? Stat's wise? Another area of shaded grey - opposing QB's avoided the man. Period. Also keep in mind the team he played on. Aside from Williams, can you name another Tenn. defender without using google?
That's what I thought...





Nice play on words but no. I'm not saying he's a far lesser player, I'm saying there's a reason why Berry is held in such high regard and you don't just substitute that type of ability with somebody who by all accounts appears to be just above average.
Like I have said I would love to have Berry, I think he is a very special guy. But, you have better odds of finding a DB later in the draft than you do a franchise QB. Heck Earl Thomas is being ranked ahead of Berry right now.
And seeing that Clausen's stock is dropping like a stone, I'm not so sure If I would use that arguement if I were you.

Says who? A SI mock draft? This is the first time I have seen anywhere that Clausen falls to 30. Again, when was the last time in a draft that the second QB wasnt taken until the 30th pick? It wont happen and at this time of year everyone lies.

No need to get all worked up man, I am just looking to talk brownies football.

 

[hatehineygate]

The NFL is a 2-back league, so being an outright starter isn't necessarily as important as other positions (i.e. Reggie Bush), but here are NFL 1st-round picks listed among the top-50 RBs on NFL.com:

Chris Johnson1
Adrian Peterson-Chester Taylor mid round
Steven Jackson2
Rashard Mendenhall
Cedric Benson3
DeAngelo Williams
Knowshon Moreno-like three guys split the carries
Joseph Addai4
Ronnie Brown5
Jonathan Stewart-two back split
Beanie Wells-Not a starter, Hightower split
Cadillac Williams-another 3 back team
Felix Jones-Not a starter, 3 back split
Darren McFadden-Not a starter, 3 back split
LaDainian Tomlinson6
Thomas Jones-split carries
Laurence Maroney-Like 5 guys split the carries
Reggie Bush-No, another 3 back split
Ricky Williams-part time starter
Donald Brown-Barely saw the field
Willis McGahee--Another 3 backer
Marshawn Lynch-Didnt play
Larry Johnson-Doesnt start

Good, now from a business stand point lets compare the starters with the guys that got equal carries and werent drafted in the first round as the majority of teams use two backs. That is 6 backs that are full timers that were picked in the first round. Money wise it makes more sense to take a 3-4th rounder as they only last a few years and there are a lot of them on the market with most teams using more than one back.

 

[BayBuck]

Good, now from a business stand point lets compare the starters with the guys that got equal carries and werent drafted in the first round as the majority of teams use two backs. That is 6 backs that are full timers that were picked in the first round. Money wise it makes more sense to take a 3-4th rounder as they only last a few years and there are a lot of them on the market with most teams using more than one back.

Your rationalizations are ridiculous. First you completely miss the point about the NFL being a 2-back league, which means a player like Bush can earn his draft spot even without being the "feature back" of yesteryear. Then you're writing off 1-3 year players because they aren't full-time starters yet (Beanie, Brown, DeAngelo, etc), and then you're discounting guys who've already had numerous 1000-yard seasons and Pro Bowls (Ricky Williams, Marshawn Lynch, Larry Johnson, McGahee). And seriously, you don't even count AP because of Chester Taylor? Again, ridiculous, par for the course with hatehineygate.

 

[Mike80]

Your rationalizations are ridiculous. First you completely miss the point about the NFL being a 2-back league, which means a player like Bush can earn his draft spot even without being the "feature back" of yesteryear. Then you're writing off 1-3 year players because they aren't full-time starters yet (Beanie, Brown, DeAngelo, etc), and then you're discounting guys who've already had numerous 1000-yard seasons and Pro Bowls (Ricky Williams, Marshawn Lynch, Larry Johnson, McGahee). And seriously, you don't even count AP because of Chester Taylor? Again, ridiculous, par for the course with [strike]hatehineygate[/strike] King Rhabuf.

FIFY

The King lives!!!

 

[Mike80]

Says who? A SI mock draft? This is the first time I have seen anywhere that Clausen falls to 30. Again, when was the last time in a draft that the second QB wasnt taken until the 30th pick? It wont happen and at this time of year everyone lies.

You must not listen to much talk radio. There have been rumblings about Clausen falling precipitously for weeks. The first SI mock seems to agree.

No need to get all worked up man, I am just looking to talk brownies football.

Then talk Browns football and stop the fucking idol worship of Clausen.

 

[jwinslow]

Chris Johnson1
Adrian Peterson-Chester Taylor mid round
Steven Jackson2
Rashard Mendenhall
Cedric Benson3
DeAngelo Williams
Knowshon Moreno-like three guys split the carries
Joseph Addai4
Ronnie Brown5
Jonathan Stewart-two back split
Beanie Wells-Not a starter, Hightower split
Cadillac Williams-another 3 back team
Felix Jones-Not a starter, 3 back split
Darren McFadden-Not a starter, 3 back split
LaDainian Tomlinson6
Thomas Jones-split carries
Laurence Maroney-Like 5 guys split the carries
Reggie Bush-No, another 3 back split
Ricky Williams-part time starter
Donald Brown-Barely saw the field
Willis McGahee--Another 3 backer
Marshawn Lynch-Didnt play
Larry Johnson-Doesnt start

This might be your most ridiculous post yet.

Your laughably small list of concessions:

1. C Johnson
2. Jackson
3. Benson
4. Addai
5. Brown
6. Tomlinson

Blatant omissions and/or misrepresentations:

7. Peterson - 5th most carries, most tds, best RB period. Taylor had 94 att, AD had 314.
8. Jones - 3rd most carries & yards. Been a franchise back for many years.
9. Mendenhall - started in 09 & will return in that position for '10.
10. DeAngelo - top-3 back in 08, was hurt for a third of 09 (60 carries less). He was the starter in Carolina.

Other obvious 'starter type backs'
11. R Williams - top-10 rb, would start for most teams. His decline was spiritual not talent or execution.
12. L Johnson - best back in the league for years. His offense retired & he flamed out, but his productivity more than justified his draft slot.
13. W McGahee - starter until his 6th or 7th year in the league. Good player.


13 of 23 is a pretty high percentage.

 

[jwinslow]

Good, now from a business stand point lets compare the starters with the guys that got equal carries and werent drafted in the first round as the majority of teams use two backs.

Let's not because that is foolish logic and math. You don't look at the best product from each and just compare, you look at how many 3rd/4th round backs are drafted and how many are starters.

You're using the same logic as the recruitniks who trumpet a 2/3-star sleeper as proof that the system is bogus, except that there are far more busts in the 2/3 star range than the 5-stars.

Money wise it makes more sense to take a 3-4th rounder as they only last a few years and there are a lot of them on the market with most teams using more than one back.

That depends on what we're talking about. This is a good reason to avoid a back in the top-10, but you can get some excellent value with players who slide in the draft due to stereotypes, school size or red flags that only concern others.

 

[Buckeyedynasty]

Jesus!!! Why is everyone letting this guy get to you. He is no different than King Rhabuf or tibor. All he is doing is trying to piss everyone off. Ignore him and he might go away. As for the Browns, all I want is Berry right now. If we get him in the first round I can live with whatever we do with our picks later in the draft.

 

[jlb1705]

But if you and Jimmy sqaured off in the game of life, how would that turn out?

I am betting he has you beat.


*I went through that mock and it is "interesting" to say the least. I dont ever recall a time when there was only one QB taken in the first 29 picks. I am willing to bet that if Clausen fell past Buffalo, Carolina would trade into the first and take him. I like the idea of taking Berry, but I think ultimately the Browns could get another comparable safety in the second round, where as the fall off between Clausen and whatever QB is there in the second is greater.

I would smoke Clausen at Life, Chutes & Ladders, or Parcheesi.

*So would Colt McCoy

 

[Buckeneye]

7. Peterson - 5th most carries, most tds, best RB period. Taylor had 94 att, AD had 314.

Bold part would be true if Chris Johnson wasn't in the league.

 

[schwab]

Jesus!!! Why is everyone letting this guy get to you. He is [strike]no different than[/strike] King Rhabuf or tibor. All he is doing is trying to piss everyone off. Ignore him and he might go away....

If we just ignored King Rhabuf hoping he'd go away, then why did he come back?

Someone else found Tibor F@#$ing up someone else's board the other day, and as the hip kids say, we like it like that.

 

[hatehineygate]

This might be your most ridiculous post yet.

Your laughably small list of concessions:

1. C Johnson
2. Jackson
3. Benson
4. Addai
5. Brown
6. Tomlinson

Blatant omissions and/or misrepresentations:

7. Peterson - 5th most carries, most tds, best RB period. Taylor had 94 att, AD had 314.
-Taylor aplit the snaps, playing a lot of passing downs and when AD was not getting carries ebcause of turnovers
8. Jones - 3rd most carries & yards. Been a franchise back for many years.
-Leon Washington was splitting before he broke his leg.
9. Mendenhall - started in 09 & will return in that position for '10.
-Mendy is a two down RB, 3rd downs go to Mewelde Moore
10. DeAngelo - top-3 back in 08, was hurt for a third of 09 (60 carries less). He was the starter in Carolina.
-Must have forgot Jon Stewart
Other obvious 'starter type backs'
11. R Williams - top-10 rb, would start for most teams. His decline was spiritual not talent or execution.
-But he doesnt start for most teams
12. L Johnson - best back in the league for years. His offense retired & he flamed out, but his productivity more than justified his draft slot.
-Not talking about the past
13. W McGahee - starter until his 6th or 7th year in the league. Good player.
-Not talking about the past, talking about the present where Ray Rice is the starter. Willis is nothing more than a GL back.


13 of 23 is a pretty high percentage.

Yeah if you are talking about 5 years ago when people like Priest Holmes were the only guys to get the touched during the year. But, things have changed, which is my point.

 

[hatehineygate]

Your rationalizations are ridiculous. First you completely miss the point about the NFL being a 2-back league, which means a player like Bush can earn his draft spot even without being the "feature back" of yesteryear. Then you're writing off 1-3 year players because they aren't full-time starters yet (Beanie, Brown, DeAngelo, etc), and then you're discounting guys who've already had numerous 1000-yard seasons and Pro Bowls (Ricky Williams, Marshawn Lynch, Larry Johnson, McGahee). And seriously, you don't even count AP because of Chester Taylor? Again, ridiculous, par for the course with hatehineygate.

They arent starters yet. How would I know they are going to get 90% of the carries if they arent right now and the trends point toward multiple backs getting work instead of one player getting it all.

 

[hatehineygate]

You must not listen to much talk radio. There have been rumblings about Clausen falling precipitously for weeks. The first SI mock seems to agree.



Then talk Browns football and stop the [censored]ing idol worship of Clausen.

Wait a minute, you inparticular said you didnt care what Kiper said on the radio. I guess you must be listening to 97.1 and the screw jobs they have taking NFL football, that is more acceptable, yes? Like I said, at this time of year everyone is lying about their intentions. It will be before the 30th pick that the 2nd QB is taken. I guess you could go withwaltercamp or a more reputable source than some radio station.

And I am talking about runningbacks right now.

 

[hatehineygate]

Bold part would be true if Chris Johnson wasn't in the league.

I guess after seeing how bad the big12 defenses were you decided that wasnt a good argument?