King bumps his gums on the pickle

[osubartender23]

I know a lot of posters dont want him as the pick, it just terrifies me going into next year without a real solutution at QB. I understand Holmgren like to chum the waters with mid round picks and wait till ones turns out, but are we really looking to wait another few years to see what happens?

So let me get this straight, with Clausen at the helm the Browns would have a "real solution" at QB? Really? Thats a giant leap of faith right there my friend. Not only that but how do you know you wouldnt have to wait a few years to see how Clausen turns out? The answer is you dont. So unless you are sure that this is a guy who can turn around a franchise, you dont use the #7 overall pick on him. This has the stench of the Brady Quinn scenario all over again. I can see him being invited to NY for the draft and having to sit in the green room until the 20's exactly like Quinn had to. This is all just my opinion of course, and I have no yahoo articles that I can use to back up my personal opinion :tongue2:.

 

[hatehineygate]

Jimmy Clausen is a sad panda. :(

But if you and Jimmy sqaured off in the game of life, how would that turn out?

I am betting he has you beat.


*I went through that mock and it is "interesting" to say the least. I dont ever recall a time when there was only one QB taken in the first 29 picks. I am willing to bet that if Clausen fell past Buffalo, Carolina would trade into the first and take him. I like the idea of taking Berry, but I think ultimately the Browns could get another comparable safety in the second round, where as the fall off between Clausen and whatever QB is there in the second is greater.

 

[NFBuck]

But if you and Jimmy sqaured off in the game of life, how would that turn out?

I am betting he has you beat.

You suck at BuckeyePlanet. Bad.

 

[Buckeneye]

But if you and Jimmy sqaured off in the game of life, how would that turn out?

I am betting he has you beat.

You sure about that? He's a pompous jackass who is met with a 'luke-warm' attitude when it comes to trying to like him. I bet he's a good comparison to chocolate. You can stand him for about 10-15 minutes at a time.


Jib is tolerable for a couple hours at least... :tongue2:

I like the idea of taking Berry, but I think ultimately the Browns could get another comparable safety in the second round.

Oh? Like who? And if you say Nate Allen then I pray somebody on your end smacks you back into reality real soon.

 

[AKAK]

But if you and Jimmy sqaured off in the game of life, how would that turn out?

I am betting he has you beat.


*I went through that mock and it is "interesting" to say the least. I dont ever recall a time when there was only one QB taken in the first 29 picks. I am willing to bet that if Clausen fell past Buffalo, Carolina would trade into the first and take him. I like the idea of taking Berry, but I think ultimately the Browns could get another comparable safety in the second round, where as the fall off between Clausen and whatever QB is there in the second is greater.

"Comparable"

Does not mean what you think it means.

 

[BayBuck]

But if you and Jimmy sqaured off in the game of life, how would that turn out?

 

[hatehineygate]

You sure about that? He's a pompous jackass who is met with a 'luke-warm' attitude when it comes to trying to like him. I bet he's a good comparison to chocolate. You can stand him for about 10-15 minutes at a time.


Jib is tolerable for a couple hours at least... :tongue2:






Oh? Like who? And if you say Nate Allen then I pray somebody on your end smacks you back into reality real soon.

The fall off between Berry and Nate Allen is smaller than the fall off between Clausen and McCoy

"Comparable"

Does not mean what you think it means.

Still waitng on that list of starting RBs that were first round picks, since it is after all a premier drafting position.

 

[AKAK]

Still waitng on that list of starting RBs that were first round picks, since it is after all a premier drafting position.

Keep it up.

 

[Buckeneye]

The fall off between Berry and Nate Allen is smaller than the fall off between Clausen and McCoy

How is that? You have one man being hailed as an Ed Reed playmaker. A difference in the defensive backfield. Then you have Nate Allen - a solid guy who could go in the 2nd to 3rd round.


If McCoy's pro day is any indication of his potential development then I would say the difference between him and Clausen is rapidly shrinking. AFAIC McCoy faced a much more legit schedule year in and year out while being robbed of a Heisman and BCS title berth. Colt's footwork looked pretty decent on display for the scouts, he's got a solid arm, moves well in the pocket (has the occasion happy feet) and possess' great short to intermediate accuracy. The deep ball is coming along it appears but no rookie throws deep much.

Aside from playing in a more pro-style oriented offense, McCoy isn't an insufferable, self -deserving asshole which makes all the difference in the world when your trying to build the leadership and respect teamates give to a QB.

You ask me my choice? Hell, I'd take McCoy just based of the attitude in his interviews.

 

[hatehineygate]

A pro day is a controlled setting, check out Jamarcus Russell and his greatest pro day Mayock had ever seen. Its set up for the guy to look good. As I posted earlier Colt and Bradford didnt play tougher defenses than Clausen. The NCAA website I posted has all the stats regarding passing defenses, Notre Dame played a tougher schedule.

Berry could be Ed Reed, but he didnt have a very good year last year. And by your reasoning Allen is a far lesser player because he is a 2-3rd rounder as opposed to Berry being a 1st rounder. Wouldnt the same be said for the difference between Clausen and McCoy?

 

[BayBuck]

Still waitng on that list of starting RBs that were first round picks, since it is after all a premier drafting position.

The NFL is a 2-back league, so being an outright starter isn't necessarily as important as other positions (i.e. Reggie Bush), but here are NFL 1st-round picks listed among the top-50 RBs on NFL.com:

Chris Johnson
Adrian Peterson
Steven Jackson
Rashard Mendenhall
Cedric Benson
DeAngelo Williams
Knowshon Moreno
Joseph Addai
Ronnie Brown
Jonathan Stewart
Beanie Wells
Cadillac Williams
Felix Jones
Darren McFadden
LaDainian Tomlinson
Thomas Jones
Laurence Maroney
Reggie Bush
Ricky Williams
Donald Brown
Willis McGahee
Marshawn Lynch
Larry Johnson

 

[AKAK]

Berry could be Ed Reed, but he didnt have a very good year last year. And by your reasoning Allen is a far lesser player because he is a 2-3rd rounder as opposed to Berry being a 1st rounder. Wouldnt the same be said for the difference between Clausen and McCoy?

You mean if Berry goes at 7 and McCoy at 38

Compared to Clausen at 30 and Allen at say 40


No, the same could not be said for that... and.... pick the more likely scenario.

 

[NFBuck]

Keep it up.

Do it...do it.

 

[schwab]

Do it...do it.

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[Buckeneye]

A pro day is a controlled setting, check out Jamarcus Russell and his greatest pro day Mayock had ever seen.

Holy Shit!! Mayock says' it so it has to be the gospel!!

Look, Russell could sling the rock, there's not a doubt about that he has impressive strength for ANY QB I've ever seen. However he's essentially a functioning retard (apologies to anyone I may offend there) He just doesn't have it together between the ears, plain and simple. Al Davis and other scouts were awwed by his physical abilities, 95% of the QB position is mental. Hense Jamarcus' inability to cut it as an NFL QB.

NFL coaches, GM's and Presidents etc etc are looking for smarter players more and more (great example being Mangini) because being a workout warrior or physical freak only does so much.

Did you remember the 1st Qtr interview between Troy Smith and Jamarcus Russell when we played LSU? Holy hell the difference was night and day. I vividly remember looking at my friend and saying "he's flat out dumb"

Guess what? Turns out I was right.

Its set up for the guy to look good.

It can also showcase some weakness' or highlight area's which partaking QB's avoid and believe me - NFL scouts take notice very quickly.

As I posted earlier Colt and Bradford didnt play tougher defenses than Clausen.

Bull. Fucking. Shit. And at this point there's no way those stats will convince me otherwise.

2008 Texas Longhorns schedule included an 11 win Texas Tech, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mizzou (with Chase Daniels) Oklahoma State, Baylor, and finally tOSU.


2008 Notre Damn schedule - the worst M*chigan team in school history, a 7 win Sparty, a decent UNC, a 0 win Washington, then a prompt ass beating from USC.

Aside from USC, who on that schedule compares to Texas' lineup?

Oh wait sorry, Notre Dame then went to beat freaking Hawaii, again, while Texas played a #10 tOSU.


I'll say it now, I care less about stats, or they have to be skewed somehow because Okie State would have destroyed anybody on Notre Dame's lineup that year aside from USC.

Berry could be Ed Reed, but he didnt have a very good year last year.

In what way? Stat's wise? Another area of shaded grey - opposing QB's avoided the man. Period. Also keep in mind the team he played on. Aside from Williams, can you name another Tenn. defender without using google?
That's what I thought...

And by your reasoning Allen is a far lesser player because he is a 2-3rd rounder as opposed to Berry being a 1st rounder. Wouldnt the same be said for the difference between Clausen and McCoy?

Nice play on words but no. I'm not saying he's a far lesser player, I'm saying there's a reason why Berry is held in such high regard and you don't just substitute that type of ability with somebody who by all accounts appears to be just above average.

And seeing that Clausen's stock is dropping like a stone, I'm not so sure If I would use that arguement if I were you.