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Kevin (Tim “Asshat” Racadb) Warren (ex-B1G Commissioner)

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Indecisive, among other things.

August 5th: B1G releases revised 2020 schedule. (We can deal with Covid.)

August 7th: PAC 12 and B1G players issue statement of demands, including provisions for revenue sharing.

August 11th: B1G and PAC 12 cancel seasons. (OMG, kids are gonna die!)

August 14th: B1G discusses Spring football in 2021.

August 19th: Kevin Warren issues letter saying B1G will not reconsider their decision on Fall football. (We must protect the children.)

August 27th: 8 Nebraska players file lawsuit. Request discovery of Board minutes. B1G attorney says "harm would be incredible" if that info was released.

August 28th: B1G reconsiders Fall football starting in November. (Maybe we can deal with Covid?)

Sure seems like it's about more than just the virus.
 
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Jake said:
Indecisive, among other things.

August 5th: B1G releases revised 2020 schedule. (We can deal with Covid.)

August 7th: PAC 12 and B1G players issue statement of demands, including provisions for revenue sharing.

August 11th: B1G and PAC 12 cancel seasons. (OMG, kids are gonna die!)

August 14th: B1G discusses Spring football in 2021.

August 19th: Kevin Warren issues letter saying B1G will not reconsider their decision on Fall football. (We must protect the children.)

August 27th: 8 Nebraska players file lawsuit. Request discovery of Board minutes. B1G attorney says "harm would be incredible" if that info was released.

August 28th: B1G reconsiders Fall football starting in November. (Maybe we can deal with Covid?)

Sure seems like it's about more than just the virus.
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While I do think that your second item is driving much more of this than the B1G wants to be known, Occam's razor takes me back to the fewest assumptions and that = Kevin Warren is just completely incompetent and fucked this up all on his own.

Biggest problem I have with that theory is it makes me assume he did this all on his own.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
I didn't say you said it, it just seems to me that there are lot of people saying stuff like "secretive! what do they have to hide?, conspiracy!" bullshit and it's really beginning to emit a whiff of BWI. Shall we have a rally for the resignations?

People are acting like the B1G went off the rails and arbitrarily cancelled a season for Illuminati-like reasons.
But the PAC-12 cancelled their season
The MAC cancelled their season
Several smaller conferences cancelled their seasons.

Yeah, none of them are as important to us as OSU/B1G. But again, it is what it is. Seeing a mass cover up is just a waste of energy.

I'm not saying you are believing or saying all this, Jake. I'm just making an observation of the tone of responses I've read.
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There’s nothing BWI about not taking their word at face value with no explanation provided. BWI is them listing the safety criteria they used to make the decision and THEN still calling it a conspiracy. Right now we have nothing to go on but Kevin Warrens nonanswers.
 
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This war between Ohio States board/president and the athletic department has always been screwed up. Or has always screwed up Ohio State football. The football program drives funding for the school. It's who OSU is. It's the schools biggest product.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Can we take the political theories and conspiracy theories that may or may not have influenced the decision to the poli board and just discuss whether the B1G will or will not play football over here.
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I think discussions of issues such as players organizing and potential lawsuits relating to the football season postponement are relevant to this thread, and/or the 2020 season thread. I don’t believe that opinions need to be moved to the poli board unless they wander into the political aspects of Covid-19 or something else more clearly political.
 
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BB73 said:
I think discussions of issues such as players organizing and potential lawsuits relating to the football season postponement are relevant to this thread, and/or the 2020 season thread. I don’t believe that opinions need to be moved to the poli board unless they wander into the political aspects of Covid-19 or something else more clearly political.
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I agree those things are relevant, and I've brought them up myself. I was talking more about the suggestions that Warren and the B10 Presidents made the decision with an eye towards influencing the election.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I agree those things are relevant, and I've brought them up myself. I was talking more about the suggestions that Warren and the B10 Presidents made the decision with an eye towards influencing the election.
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Yep, there was 1 post on the previous post that got into political issues, but it didn’t get any traction. If it does, we’ll move that.
 
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Taosman said:
This war between Ohio States board/president and the athletic department has always been screwed up. Or has always screwed up Ohio State football. The football program drives funding for the school. It's who OSU is. It's the schools biggest product.
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Erroneous. Football Athletic department fundraising averages around 6 or 7 percent of university fundraising in a given year.

And for those making the argument that without football success academic fundraising would dry up, consider that the university's first multi-year campaign came in the mid-80s amidst all the anger and frustration at Earl's 9-3 seasons and ended in the middle of Cooper's disastrous beginning. It ended up almost doubling its target (453 million against 250 million) and set a record at the time for public universities narrowly edging out a concurrent campaign that Berkeley had.

The second campaign was held during the frustrating end to the Cooper regime, yet it raised 1.23 billion against an initial goal of 850M.

Firing Tressel had zero effect on the third campaign which raised 3.2B against a goal of 2.5B.

And for those who were certain that Drake's suspension of Urban and Urban's subsequent retirement would have a negative effect on fundraising that year (since the numbers are based on the fiscal year, the suspension occurred in the first months of the year), that year we went on to have a 500M year for the first time and became--I believe--only the third public university ever to do that and not only did it but did it in the context of not being part of a larger multi-year campaign.

The football program drives fundraising for football and football alone. Mass anger at decisions regarding the football program have zero effect beyond a few less $1500 Buckeye Club memberships.
 
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Taosman said:
This war between Ohio States board/president and the athletic department has always been screwed up. Or has always screwed up Ohio State football. The football program drives funding for the school. It's who OSU is. It's the schools biggest product.
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Erroneous. Football fundraising average around 6 or 7 percent of university fundraising in a given year.

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... and I'll take issue with the last sentence.

While football is certainly the most visible product if you define "visible" as "the one that is seen and talked about the most on television and on the internet"; it is not the biggest product in any other way.

ORD already went into the financials; let's look at what the President and Board think The University's products are.

If you were to ask them, I'd bet they'd tell you that the University's products are Education and Research. I suspect that they would rather not think of football as a product at all, because that would mean they would have to think seriously (and hopefully honestly) about how that product is produced and who contributes to it. If you were to insist that football is an entertainment product for which, 1) many thousands pay hundreds for admission, 2) two entities (at least) pay millions for the broadcast rights, and 3) numerous entities pay large sums to license; they would probably all grudgingly agree. Some might even be able to do it without sneering, but not without great effort.

Football is a large product, sure, but far from the largest. It's also one that the president and the board do not respect and wish that they did not have to deal with. If that's not how they feel, they do a masterful job at behaving as if that's how they feel.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
While I do think that your second item is driving much more of this than the B1G wants to be known, Occam's razor takes me back to the fewest assumptions and that = Kevin Warren is just completely incompetent and fucked this up all on his own.

Biggest problem I have with that theory is it makes me assume he did this all on his own.
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They've already acknowledged that it isn't about the virus. "The harm would be incredible" if the world saw what was discussed?

"We need to cancel sports to protect the students" would not cause incredible harm if that's what was in the minutes.

Hmmm...what would?
 
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