Kevin (Tim “Asshat” Racadb) Warren (ex-B1G Commissioner)

[ScriptOhio]

MLB has a players union and a collectively bargained agreement. College football has neither and are students to be protected by the University.

Unions and/or collective bargaining are not relevant in this case. The only legally binding documents are whatever the parent/student signed (like the LOI and any other documents to get the scholarship, etc.). Unfortunately these documents were undoubtedly written by the school's (and/or NCAA's) lawyer(s) and probably doesn't bind the school to do very much or even make them liable for anything. Regardless it would be interesting to see the "fine print" in these documents just to see if the school is even required to have a football team, etc.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Unions and/or collective bargaining are not relevant in this case. The only legally binding documents are whatever the parent/student signed (like the LOI and any other documents to get the scholarship, etc.). Unfortunately these documents were undoubtedly written by the school's (and/or NCAA's) lawyer(s) and probably doesn't bind the school to do very much or even make them liable for anything. Regardless it would be interesting to see the "fine print" in these documents just to see if the school is even required to have a football team, etc.

They are not required to have a football team anymore than having a Marching Band or Synchronized swimming team.

 

[zincfinger]

I hesitate to post this here, because:

1) politics, and
2) Clay Travis.

But, it involves Kevin Warren and wild speculation (did I mention it's by Clay Travis?), so here you go. link, if you're so inclined

BIG TEN SCHOOLS CANCELED FOOTBALL AND NOW JOE BIDEN IS BLAMING PRESIDENT TRUMP

Travis refers to an earlier article by Pete Thamel:

Can the Big Ten swing a presidential election? Kevin Warren wants to find out

link, if you're so inclined

 

[BUCK3YE5]

Live look at Kevin Warren in his office:

 

[sparcboxbuck]

At the end of the day, Warren and his little power brokers created a mess for themselves by releasing a revised schedule only to cancel the whole season a few days later. They have basically had the attitude that all the people impacted can just go to hell as they don’t deserve to be informed of the details.

That’s just asking for scrutiny.

Yup... the hubris is what gets ya... every time. Half a brain and any ability to anticipate would have been sufficient for them to have done a much better job with PR, likely ending in whatever is in those FOA requests and meeting minutes to go undiscovered.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Yup... the hubris is what gets ya... every time. Half a brain and any ability to anticipate would have been sufficient for them to have done a much better job with PR, likely ending in whatever is in those FOA requests and meeting minutes to go uncovered.

I think you’ll find academics out of touch with Main Street in the minutes. They assumed people would not want to question their fiefdom.

 

[Bucklion]

I think you’ll find academics out of touch with Main Street in the minutes. They assumed people would not want to question their fiefdom.

Academics never anticipate anyone questioning their intellectual and moral superiority. But this has to be more than that I think.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Academics never anticipate anyone questioning their intellectual and moral superiority. But this has to be more than that I think.

I don’t know but I think the heart problems were more a tactic then a REAL Concern (mostly debunked).

 

[JCOSU86]

I'd like to see those "valid reasons", nonetheless. It's too easy to hide behind the coronavirus these days. I want to see the minutes.

I don't think anyone here believes we're going to change the decision. We're just not interested in quietly accepting it without honest answers to legitimate questions.

Do you think they cancelled a multi-million dollar season because, why exactly? Do you think they sat around saying "let's piss off Jake, lol"?

Maybe they overreacted, maybe not. I know even a 3rd string long snapper's life isn't worth having a season.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Do you think they cancelled a multi-million dollar season because, why exactly? Do you think they sat around saying "let's piss off Jake, lol"?

Maybe they overreacted, maybe not. I know even a 3rd string long snapper's life isn't worth having a season.

While we all agree with your last statement, CTE not withstanding, I think part of the issue is getting to the answer of if they actually cancelled the season because of the welfare of the 3rd string long snapper... or if it was something else. The statements regarding the ugliness and mess that is in those meeting minutes suggests to me it could be less about the long snapper, regardless of string.

 

[JCOSU86]

Well, if the Abbott Labs 15 min test for $5 becomes a reality, it will be viable. I just look at MLB. They have had multiple games cancelled and dozens of players testing positive. And baseball is far less of a contact sport than football. I don't know.

But 1 thing I am confident in is that they didn't cancel it lightly nor did they do it just to piss people off. You can pound your fist on the table and yell "I DEMAND ANSWERS!!!11!!" all you want, but be prepared to not get them.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I know even a 3rd string long snapper's life isn't worth having a season.

But that's just it, isn't it?

If they are just worried about kids safety, why are they back in classes and dorms?

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Well, if the Abbott Labs 15 min test for $5 becomes a reality, it will be viable. I just look at MLB. They have had multiple games cancelled and dozens of players testing positive. And baseball is far less of a contact sport than football. I don't know.

But 1 thing I am confident in is that they didn't cancel it lightly nor did they do it just to piss people off. You can pound your fist on the table and yell "I DEMAND ANSWERS!!!11!!" all you want, but be prepared to not get them.

Baseball is a similar situation to what I said earlier about our experience in lacrosse this summer. Nobody is catching this playing the games or in practice. It’s all about decisions people are making when they are away from the game. Baseball positives are about guys being stupid off the field.

 

[Bucklion]

Well, if the Abbott Labs 15 min test for $5 becomes a reality, it will be viable. I just look at MLB. They have had multiple games cancelled and dozens of players testing positive. And baseball is far less of a contact sport than football. I don't know.

But 1 thing I am confident in is that they didn't cancel it lightly nor did they do it just to piss people off. You can pound your fist on the table and yell "I DEMAND ANSWERS!!!11!!" all you want, but be prepared to not get them.

Fine, we don’t need them. But what about the athletes, the parents, the guardians, the future potential players? I mean we don’t even know if they actually had a conference-wide vote, and if they did, who voted. What are they hiding behind? It can’t be fear of criticism, they are getting murdered with it now. And I agree it’s not because they “didn’t want to play”. So then what? The only thing I can come up with is they are afraid people will find out the basis for this decision, ergo, it will come out it really wasn’t about safety. If it was, they should be able to point to 4-6 main points and say “here’s what we based our decision on, everyone won’t agree, but we felt things A-F were important enough to cancel the season.” Then, almost everyone can live with it. As it is, they leave the appearance of something insidious, and they refuse to do anything to allay that any.

 

[Bucklion]

Baseball is a similar situation to what I said earlier about our experience in lacrosse this summer. Nobody is catching this playing the games or in practice. It’s all about decisions people are making when they are away from the game. Baseball positives are about guys being stupid off the field.

MLS backs this up to a certain extent, once they were isolated in the bubble, they played all 51 games without incident