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Jersey / Uniform Discussion (OSU)

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BUCKYLE said:
That is pure horse[Mark May]. Nike is the tail wagging the tOSU dog. If tOSU put it's foot down, Nike isn't going to give us less money.
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You're assuming OSU gives a shit about the fucking color of jerseys for one game holy shit it's just color guys there's no fucking harm in it jesus christ I feel like you guys have stock in things that aren't black and are losing out on money.

*deep breath*
 
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NO SURPRISE: ALTERNATE UNIFORMS DON'T HURT BUT DON'T MAKE OR BREAK A RECRUITMENT

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As a five-star linebacker just two years ago, recruited by the who's who of college football, Raekwon McMillan is about as good as it gets when it comes to understanding the way a recruit thinks.

"I just think that when you come in (as a recruit) they try to impress you in any way possible," McMillan told the media throng at a round table at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center on Monday afternoon. "When (Urban Meyer) brought up the new jerseys, I just knew that he was trying to impress me. Gotta look at it like that. No, it was just something cool that he showed me. Other than that, it didn't really matter.

"When you're a recruit, all your thinking about is looking good on the field," Ohio State's middle linebacker added. "What you're going to wear, how you're going to look on TV, but when you're actually a player at the school, it really doesn't matter anymore because you're thinking about what the opposing offense or defense is going to do. (You) try not to look bad on the field."

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...ont-hurt-but-dont-make-or-break-a-recruitment
 
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BUCKYLE said:
That is pure horse[Mark May]. Nike is the tail wagging the tOSU dog. If tOSU put it's foot down, Nike isn't going to give us less money.
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Sure, and for several million dollars a year is it any surprise? At this point, OSU probably could say "go pound sand" if they don't like the alternate designs and their contract allows it, due to the merchandise behemoth that their partnership with Nike has built up. If there were donors donating that much on a yearly basis I bet they would be more likely to say "come up with something better or GTFO" since the merchandising money from these once-a-year lines wouldn't be as missed.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
Ohio State put a goddamned waterfall inside of a building with a roof. They can tell God to pound sand. Not American god but one of the lesser Hindu ones maybe.
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Wait....they did? Was there a waterfall there when Paul Brown was coaching? Because I know the recruits like that dumb shit but FUCK YOU RECRUITS, THINGS AREN'T THE SAME WAY THEY WERE WHEN I WAS A KID TRADITION RABBLE RABBLE.
 
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psugisher said:
Fair enough.. the whining sounds bad.. I get it but I'll try to explain. I guess it's snowballed over the years as there's been some key calls late in games that have not gone our way, and it's not just against you guys. Michigan 2005 and Iowa 2008 had huge calls go the other way that cost us undefeated seasons. Those will affect even the sanest of fans. Even with the addition of replay, there's been some pretty obvious calls being missed such as your interception at the beginning of last year's game and a td taken away at Nebraska that was called a fumble instead. Both were clear on replay but the horrible explanation last year and the ruling in Nebraska make you wonder why replay is even in place. When those kinds of things happen and there's a recent history of it costing us big time, fans are going to say what they say and it won't be rational. I honestly don't think the officiating in the big ten is biased, but it often appears incompetent across the board. I know your offensive line was very good last year and deserves a ton of credit, but they also weren't called for one holding penalty the entire big ten season. Occasionally, when there's a huge jersey grab right at the point where a runner breaks free, it has to be called.. I know our offensive line holds.. and they don't even do that well. Bosa will be held on Saturday and it won't be called every time. I'd just like to see the big ten refs be consistent with it and when it effects the play, call it. I've seen us get some bad penalties in our favor and I don't like it. I honestly want a level playing field where players decide it and refs aren't noticeable. I don't want to rob a team from a win. I want to beat them. Bragging rights are a lot more fun because nobody can say anything on the other side except, "we'll get you next year". I expect a well officiated game Saturday with missed calls periodically. I just hope a blatant bad call doesn't cost either team.

I think it would be awesome if your crowd is quiet when we're on offense to try and freak them out and help the officials.. haha.. that would be weird
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OK, but my point is that vs. scUM 05, Iowa 08, OSU 14, etc., etc., the Penn State football players and coaches made thousands of decisions and took thousands of actions that determined those games. The only way the logic works that PSU is getting jobbed by officials is if the decisions/actions are not being accounted for, and any official's call is being looked at in a vacuum, separate from all the things PSU had control of during those games. Ohio State hasn't been losing much lately, but when they have (MSU 13, Clemson 13-14, VT 14) I don't remember anyone on this forum or others talking about officiating. It was more about Ohio State's execution - or lack thereof, and the opponent's good play. The bottom line is that if one or two calls determine whether you win or lose, then you have put yourself in the situation where one or two calls can cost you.

They are not my offensive line. I have never met any one of them or have any kind of relationship to them other than as a fan. If they hold and it gets called then I'm not complaining. If they hold and are good enough at it to get away with it, then that's awesome. Consider that maybe the reason they don't get called for holding much is that they are superbly coached and are really good at their craft. You might also want to consider that officials can't see everything, and also that what many fans think is holding isn't really holding. Those are all alternatives to pulling the bias or incompetence card. I think B1G officials are pretty good. They make the right calls most of the time, blow a few, and have a few that are questionable every game. My problem begins when someone suggests they determine a game - any game. It's just not happening.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Michigan, Alabama, and the Yankees have all worn alternate jerseys.

USC is on the verge. It was a hot topic for them in the summer.
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Did Michigan or Alabama wear black? Is USC going to wear black... or gray or puce if Phil decides that all uniforms should feature puce?

As for the Yankees: The New York Yankees have generally shunned the practice of third jerseys. The Yankees wore three different jerseys in 1911, 1916, and most recently in 1943 according to the Dressed to the Nines database maintained by the National Baseball Hall of Fame. In recent years, the Yankees have worn throwback uniforms for single games in 1996 and 2012. And you can bet they looked like the real thing.
 
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OSUK said:
OK, but my point is that vs. scUM 05, Iowa 08, OSU 14, etc., etc., the Penn State football players and coaches made thousands of decisions and took thousands of actions that determined those games. The only way the logic works that PSU is getting jobbed by officials is if the decisions/actions are not being accounted for, and any official's call is being looked at in a vacuum, separate from all the things PSU had control of during those games. Ohio State hasn't been losing much lately, but when they have (MSU 13, Clemson 13-14, VT 14) I don't remember anyone on this forum or others talking about officiating. It was more about Ohio State's execution - or lack thereof, and the opponent's good play. The bottom line is that if one or two calls determine whether you win or lose, then you have put yourself in the situation where one or two calls can cost you.

They are not my offensive line. I have never met any one of them or have any kind of relationship to them other than as a fan. If they hold and it gets called then I'm not complaining. If they hold and are good enough at it to get away with it, then that's awesome. Consider that maybe the reason they don't get called for holding much is that they are superbly coached and are really good at their craft. You might also want to consider that officials can't see everything, and also that what many fans think is holding isn't really holding. Those are all alternatives to pulling the bias or incompetence card. I think B1G officials are pretty good. They make the right calls most of the time, blow a few, and have a few that are questionable every game. My problem begins when someone suggests they determine a game - any game. It's just not happening.
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Here's the thing about dumb fans and complaining about holding. When dumb fans (and I mean dumb as in football smarts. I'm a dumb fan. I don't know Xs and Os to save my life) watch a game, we just watch the QB. When we're on offense, we're looking to see where he's going with the ball. When we're on defense, we're watching our DLinemen try to get to the other QB. At the end of the game, you're going to come away thinking the other team got away with holding, because you never saw your team hold. You never looked for it, but you never saw it. That's how every person on BWI watches games....but not only are they football dumb, they're just dumb. They're too dumb to know that they didn't see Penn State holding because they weren't watching for Penn State holding, they just believe they weren't holding because Joe didn't tell them they were holding.

The B1G as a conference lets A LOT of holding go. It seems like it has been this way for years. To bitch about Ohio State getting away with holding because none were called is pure stupidity.
 
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