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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

And for any young women reading this, if you think the young guy you're with can stop his sexual pursuit of you immediately when you say "no," after you've given him lots of signals saying "yes," you're most probably wrong. (The older we men get, the better we usually get at control.) If you don't like that, I'm sorry, but wishing otherwise won't change anything.

I agree with you partially.

Women should not objectify themselves.

With that said, every man can and should stop at any point if the word no/stop/etc is said. And men also have the control to do so. If you don't stop at that point, you are in the wrong
 
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I was taught to respect women. No one had to tell me "no means no". There is appropriate and inappropriate behavior and if you have to in any way to plead, beg, and force yourself on a woman then......well then you're not much of a man....

Hey, go pumpkin yourself. Begging and pleading are my "go-to" moves.
 
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It has been reported that:

a. Favors Thompson said the woman was intoxicated after drinking at a local bar
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/

b. As expected, Jansen acknowledged a sexual encounter between his client and the alleged victim but said it was “absolutely” consensual. Two eyewitnesses, one of whom Jansen stated also submitted a DNA example, would exonerate his client of any wrongdoing, the lawyer said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/


Hypothetical lawyer question: Under Florida law if you have a "sexual encounter" with a woman who is so drunk that she can't resist and/or doesn't know what is going on, is it considered a rape?

I'm guessing YES.
 
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I agree with you partially.

Women should not objectify themselves.

With that said, every man can and should stop at any point if the word no/stop/etc is said. And men also have the control to do so. If you don't stop at that point, you are in the wrong

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I think Max was just saying "NO" hasn't been, nor ever will be, an infallible solution to the problem. The idea that some punk kid will stop doing something just because your daughter says "NO" is a pure Utopian belief.
 
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It has been reported that:

a. Favors Thompson said the woman was intoxicated after drinking at a local bar
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/

b. As expected, Jansen acknowledged a sexual encounter between his client and the alleged victim but said it was “absolutely” consensual. Two eyewitnesses, one of whom Jansen stated also submitted a DNA example, would exonerate his client of any wrongdoing, the lawyer said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/


Lawyer question: Under Florida law if you have a "sexual encounter" with a woman who is so drunk that she can't resist and/or doesn't know what is going on, is it considered a rape?

I'm guessing YES.
According to this site - http://gatorwell.ufsa.ufl.edu/the-truth-about-sexual-assault a woman who is drunk cannot give legal consent, so it would be rape.

I have to think there's more to it than this black and white definition, but I'm not a Florida lawyer.
 
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Which all begs the question why he's refused to talk or make a statement to the police thus far. I mean if it was all consensual, why didn't they start from that in the beginning and stipulate that Winston had sex with her.
Says one thing to the media; but the legal actions aren't in keeping with it. o.O

crazy people do crazy things, undoubtedly. but, this girl did exactly what you're supposed to do when raped, and the family is still pushing this matter almost a year later, to the point that the family and their attorney are accusing an entire police department of corruption and a cover up. certainly not the actions of someone with "buyer's remorse".

Regardless of what did or didn't happen, I think it's abundantly clear that the Police Department is jacked.
I want to say they come out looking the worst in either case here.

No, not really. I don't have any other place to get information about things that happen in places I'm not. I didn't say I buy everything hook line and sinker, but I don't dismiss it either. How else can one know anything about world events without media?

To be fair, there have also been statements / quotes from Winston's lawyer, the victim's family, the Police, and the DA. Reported by the media; but if it's a direct quote it's not "being fed to us by the media".
It's not too difficult to parse out the alleged facts of the case; and compare what has been said by the 2 parties and verified by the police independently.
That doesn't lead to a guilty / not-guilty verdict but... some things are pretty clear.

And for any young women reading this, if you think the young guy you're with can stop his sexual pursuit of you immediately when you say "no," after you've given him lots of signals saying "yes," you're most probably wrong. (The older we men get, the better we usually get at control.) If you don't like that, I'm sorry, but wishing otherwise won't change anything.

If they don't have an ounce of self-control, they're not much of a man.
I'm sorry I just don't buy this excuse as a red-blooded male who loves sex as much as anyone else.
It reeks of the same logic I see by certain Religious zealots across the world -- blame the woman for a guy's inability to take responsibility for his own actions.
Moreover, if somebody can keep an erection knowing their "partner" is not only not enjoying it, but in physical pain and emotional distress... they're one twisted person.

Scary thing is, #6 is actually used in the Marine Corps.
After several high-profile cases of Japanese girls being raped, they instituted a new rule that low-ranking Marines had to leave and return to base in groups of at least 2 (and they logged who you left with as a group, so you had to come back with the same group)
Even more disturbing, however, is that every one of those high profile rape cases were gang rapes and/or involved NCOs not subject to this rule.
It has been reported that:

a. Favors Thompson said the woman was intoxicated after drinking at a local bar
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/

b. As expected, Jansen acknowledged a sexual encounter between his client and the alleged victim but said it was “absolutely” consensual. Two eyewitnesses, one of whom Jansen stated also submitted a DNA example, would exonerate his client of any wrongdoing, the lawyer said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/


Hypothetical lawyer question: Under Florida law if you have a "sexual encounter" with a woman who is so drunk that she can't resist and/or doesn't know what is going on, is it considered a rape?

I'm guessing YES.

Just for the record -- her story seems to heavily imply that she was drugged.
I imagine her blood results would confirm alcohol and/or any other drug involved.
 
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So in other words, we now know that a sex act happened between Winston and the accuser. The PD/investigators gave the complainant's attorney the run around for a few months, told them there might be very negative repercussions if they pursued it, declined to take Winston's DNA sample because it would go public, and ultimately failed to notify anyone farther up the legal chain than themselves resulting in the case just sitting there. Yeah, this has all the makings of a perfectly upright investigation into an alleged sexual assault/rape/battery.

While I don't wish to pass judgement prematurely, it sure is difficult to not lean in a certain direction given what we know.
to be fair....the part about the Tallahassee PD giving the run around and telling the victim she might be sorry for pursuing a case against a football player is coming from one side. That's all alleged at this point, also.
 
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It has been reported that:

a. Favors Thompson said the woman was intoxicated after drinking at a local bar
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/

b. As expected, Jansen acknowledged a sexual encounter between his client and the alleged victim but said it was “absolutely” consensual. Two eyewitnesses, one of whom Jansen stated also submitted a DNA example, would exonerate his client of any wrongdoing, the lawyer said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...al-battery-family-releases-statement/3651881/


Hypothetical lawyer question: Under Florida law if you have a "sexual encounter" with a woman who is so drunk that she can't resist and/or doesn't know what is going on, is it considered a rape?

I'm guessing YES.
Also to be fair.....and this part I'm getting from FSU fans who were acting like, well, like you'd expect CFB fans to act......she claimed to not be drunk. I believe the position she was taking is that she was drugged, as kujirakira said.
 
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I'm not assuming Winston is guilty. But, I am forming my opinion each day.

I think that is where a lot of us stand. When this first broke, I didn't see enough info to bench him. One has to let the process play out. At this point, it does look like that which was thrown at the fan has potential to stick.

FSU has a decision to make. I know what I'd do, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Clearly there are no winners here. At this point it's a matter of reducing the number of losers.

Sad story for everyone.
 
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