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Look, I'm not going to get into the age old playcalling argument. I've always been on the same page as most of you, if it wins, so what? Well, yesterday it was a razor thin margin from costing tOSU a conference title and a long overdue trip to the Rose Bowl. Be honest...how many of you were saying "Um, what the fuck?" when with damn near the game on the line with a 3rd and 8 (or whatever it was), a 4 yard out was called? I'd consider myself among the most understanding and patient of people with this coaching staff and the long standing offensive issues. I guess I just reached a flashpoint with Tresselball because it almost was an enormous mistake. When you have an athlete the calibre of Terrelle Pryor, use him...a little. That's all I'm asking. You have a game on the line, let your thoroughbred make a play. How about a little read option? We have athletes all over the field, we can't come up with anything more creative than those plays? It was just immensely frustrating to watch. Maybe it was JT saving stuff for scUM. If so, shame on me for doubting him. But, it seemed to me the coaches were calling plays hoping to get out of there with a win as opposed to trying to go out and get it.

As for being excited about the Rose Bowl, damn right I am. But, after that game, in that moment, I felt a lot more relief than jubilation. I can assure you, the BW3 I was in with 100 other Buckeye fans had a large majority feeling the same way.
 
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I DO NOT BELIEVE TP WAS HEALTHY FOR MOST OF THE 2ND HALF. HE MAY HAVE EVEN TOLD TRESS THE SAME. HE ADMITTED IT AFTER THE STATE PENN GAME AND I THINK HE GOT BANGED UP MORE AFTER HIS FIRST DOWN RUN.
 
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Or was Ohio State dialing up the heat a few degrees? (BTW, thank you Doug Worthington - you deserve a dozen roses for that effort). Maybe the Buckeyes should have pressured Vandenberg right from the start, blitzing him early and often and from every conceivable angle, instead of letting him sit back in the pocket and get his confidence early by completing easy tosses into a soft zone. But then again, maybe letting the dogs loose from the first play of the game would have been too checker-like....
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It was a combination of things I think. For one, Heacock probably thought the front four would get enough pressure alone, they couldnt and subsequently they brought more than four later in the game. Secondly, Iowa did a great job of countering the speed of the dline by calling a lot of three step drops for quick stuff and then rolling him out for more stuff down the field. Also, when we did bring pressure (I can recall bringing Coleman) it put Chimdi and Torrence out there on islands, and that didnt really work out too well.

As for the offense, I dont really have any problems with it. They did what they do best - run the football. When you play a team like Iowa, they do a great job of covering things deep with their shell 2-deep. And they took away that aspect of out offense. Ohio St threw some bubble screens in, ran a couple play action plays (I recall one where they rolled Pryor out and pulled the guard).

I usually look forward to your posts LordJeffBuck but this one I cant really get behind. But it's your opinion and after all this is a message board. Beat michigan!
 
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NFBuck;1595589; said:
Look, I'm not going to get into the age old playcalling argument. I've always been on the same page as most of you, if it wins, so what? Well, yesterday it was a razor thin margin from costing tOSU a conference title and a long overdue trip to the Rose Bowl. Be honest...how many of you were saying "Um, what the fuck?" when with damn near the game on the line with a 3rd and 8 (or whatever it was), a 4 yard out was called? I'd consider myself among the most understanding and patient of people with this coaching staff and the long standing offensive issues. I guess I just reached a flashpoint with Tresselball because it almost was an enormous mistake. When you have an athlete the calibre of Terrelle Pryor, use him...a little. That's all I'm asking. You have a game on the line, let your thoroughbred make a play. How about a little read option? We have athletes all over the field, we can't come up with anything more creative than those plays? It was just immensely frustrating to watch. Maybe it was JT saving stuff for scUM. If so, shame on me for doubting him. But, it seemed to me the coaches were calling plays hoping to get out of there with a win as opposed to trying to go out and get it.

As for being excited about the Rose Bowl, damn right I am. But, after that game, in that moment, I felt a lot more relief than jubilation. I can assure you, the BW3 I was in with 100 other Buckeye fans had a large majority feeling the same way.
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GPA, and I'm going to quote this in the JT thread.

Woody1968;1595609; said:
If the kick coverage was better, we would not be having this discussion.
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Of course not, because running the clock out and settling for FG attempts would've been a good/better idea than taking chances.
 
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NFBuck;1595589; said:
Be honest...how many of you were saying "Um, what the fuck?"
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My fiancee sure was. I spent most of the second half trying to get her to calm down. I couldn't stand it. I honestly thought in the moment that Tressel was calling the right plays to earn a victory.

NFBuck;1595589; said:
When you have an athlete the calibre of Terrelle Pryor, use him...a little. That's all I'm asking. You have a game on the line, let your thoroughbred make a play. How about a little read option?
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If Terrelle were a thoroughbred (horse) he might've been taken behind the WHAC and shot with his various leg/ankle/foot injuries. I don't have any more information than what I can glean from this board and what I saw on TV, but I think his health had an awful lot to do with the decisions that were made at the end of that game. I do remember a couple read option looking plays during the course of the game that didn't seem to to go too well. With the way Terrelle was feeling, if they called a read option play would there have even been a possibility (option) of him keeping it? Did Iowa know this and defend it as such?
 
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IYE2;1595607; said:
It was a combination of things I think. For one, Heacock probably thought the front four would get enough pressure alone, they couldnt and subsequently they brought more than four later in the game. Secondly, Iowa did a great job of countering the speed of the dline by calling a lot of three step drops for quick stuff and then rolling him out for more stuff down the field. Also, when we did bring pressure (I can recall bringing Coleman) it put Chimdi and Torrence out there on islands, and that didnt really work out too well.

As for the offense, I dont really have any problems with it. They did what they do best - run the football. When you play a team like Iowa, they do a great job of covering things deep with their shell 2-deep. And they took away that aspect of out offense. Ohio St threw some bubble screens in, ran a couple play action plays (I recall one where they rolled Pryor out and pulled the guard).

I usually look forward to your posts LordJeffBuck but this one I cant really get behind. But it's your opinion and after all this is a message board. Beat michigan!
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Eh, win some, lose some, I guess....

As far as the lack of blitzing, I can think of two reasons why they did it: (1) they were afraid of the TE finding large holes in the middle of the field, and (2) they were afraid that the QB would roll out away from the blitz, which would negate the blitz, and allow him to find mis-matches down the field in man coverage or to gain yards running the ball. Both fears may have been somewhat justified, but in my very humble opinion, the possibility of rattling Vandenberg early on and forcing him to made bad decisions/plays, and thus possibly eliminating him as factor for the entire game, should have outweighed those fears ... and if he read the blitzes and beat the pressure and made the plays, then so be it ... and then you dial it back to vanilla schemes.
 
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Post game thoughts? Well, I had many.

(1) Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this the 8th BCS bowl game OSU is going to....more than any other school?

(2) Five consecutive Big Ten championships! Enough said.

(3) The last time OSU was in the Rose Bowl, my oldest was 2.5 years old and my youngest was damn close to being 5 days old at kickoff. From a father's perspective who has watched his sons grow up being fans of all things OSU, and from my remembrances of the Rose Bowl being the biggest, best, most tradition-rich bowl game when I was a little dude, well I can't quite put into words how neat 01/01/10 will be for me and my sons.

(4) I knew there would be many questioning the manner in which OSU won. Woody1968 hit it on the head when he posted if we had better special team play on the kickoff, this questioning manner would not be an issue. Hell, if Barclay hits his FG in regulation, this would not be an issue. If Rolle doesn't interfere with Chekwa's INT that magically for Iowa ends up being a reception, this would not be an issue. All I care about is that a W was recorded yesterday.

(5) IMO, TP might be hurting more than we know. Two weeks in a row where basically every read option was a handoff to the RB. Just an observation, but it hit me pretty quickly after the game.

(6) Celebrated the win for about 30 minutes after the game with my sons, watching as much post-game stuff as possible. Then fired up some "Don't Give a Damn..." to remind them that The Week had officially begun.

(7) A friend of mine who is a State Penn fan called to offer congrats on the Rose Bowl. I asked him what was in his wallet. He didn't get it.

(8) My final post game thought was how damn nice it is to be an OSU Buckeye and I wish I had been at the game!!
 
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matcar;1595639; said:
We won't beat Oregon in a Rose Bowl playing as we did yesterday. Hopefully we don't see a gameplan this vanilla again.
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I don't have a problem with the overall game plan. It worked out okay until we decided to sit on the ball in the 4th.

Also, I think we'll see a very similiar gameplan vs. Oregon, offensively. Stanford was able to just pound the ball on Oregon on every play, then they would go to some downfield/playaction passing which obviously worked really well for them. I think we should be able to pound the ball with Boom, then get Saine in to bust off some big runs, throw in some play action and bombs to Posey and Sanz and you've got a pretty got offensive gameplan. Just my two cents.
 
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I woke up this morning and it set in

8 BCS bowls...most by any team

5 straight B10 titles...6 in 9 seasons

Possibility of of beating Michigan 8 timesin 9 years

Domiation ofthe B10...it has become the Big1 and little 0.

All I can say is that a Michigan beatdown would be icing o the cake

With te recruiting classes we are puttig together I see us dominating the conference for yeas to ome.
 
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