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Iowa Post Game Thoughts

Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1595980; said:
I don't think I would blame Tresselball any more than I did after the USC loss though. It's designed to work. It usually does work. In the USC game it did not. In the Iowa game, it did.

Once again, I sure would have liked it if Ohio State came out and took charge the way everyone expected, and did so in ways that weren't so scripted. But, as I keep saying... according to the script Ohio State wins 24-10... or something like that... and no one gets hurt, Michigan's got another week of no film...

I have to believe there was a purpose in deciding on a game plan that was uncreative...

Fair enough. All I seek is intelligent, level-headed discussion. I'm just trying to make sense out of some issues that appear worthy of dissection.

Now...about that "vanilla" flavor. Can we please beat M*ch*g*n 58-0?
 
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Like many of you, I was a bit perturbed by some of the offensive play-calling, but looking back now, I am not so much. Perhaps it is the fact that OSU won tinting my hindsight, but I can find plenty of reasons for the coaches to make the decisions they did. And really, we're talking about 3 possessions here: the last 2 of regulation and the one in OT, right? The rest of the game was more-or-less fine, at least that's the vibe I'm getting from the other posts...

Missed FG possession, OSU up 7:
The previous 3 runs before this drive started were 3 rushes netting 79 yards and 2 touchdowns. The running game was working. On this possession: 0 yards, 8 yards, 8 yards (First down), -1 yard, 3 yards....setting up 3rd and 8 from the Iowa 27 with 8 minutes left. A pass is more likely to pick up the first down, but is also more likely to result in a loss of yardage, possibly taking OSU out of Barclay's field goal range. A run probably won't pick up the first, but should gain at least a couple yards, setting up a ~40 yard field goal. That should be a make. Do you risk giving up the 3 points (and 2 possession lead) for the possible first down at that point? JT obviously had faith that Barclay would make the field goal, so the risk of losing the chance at the points and 2-poss. lead outweighs the reward of getting a first down. I didn't like the call at first, but in hindsight, have no real problem with it. Keep yourself in position to get the points.

Last reg. possession, tied game:
I was fine with the first several plays. Let's see if we can get a first down or two, but also keep the clock running so that Iowa has to burn their timeouts or lose most of the time left on the clock if we don't make it. The worst thing that could happen would be a turnover, the 2nd worst would be going 3 and out with incomplete passes. As long as the clock runs, the only team that has a real chance to win the game is OSU. If Iowa stops OSU, they get the ball back with less than a minute to go.

Now, I don't know about those last couple pass plays. I have no idea if they were designed to go to Small and Herron or if those were reads make by Pryor. If the design of that 2nd pass was for it to go to Herron, put me in the group that doesn't like it all. If you are going to risk the incompletion there, you may as well do it for enough yardage for a first. If Boom is the primary receiver, my vote is go ahead and a run the QB draw. It's got as much chance to work, but with less risk.

OT: See missed fg possession - whatever happens, we are NOT going to lose enough yardage to be out of field goal range

Bottom line for me.....Tressel played the right odds and lost, at least as much as anyone that actually wins the game can lose. I love the "what if" game as much as anyone, but the problem is that you just don't know what would happen if another decision was made. Would anyone be happier if OSU's last regulation possession resulted in a downfield interception leading to a game-winning Iowa FG? I know that's a bit hyperbolic, but......

I certainly don't intend to absolve the coaches of all their issues. Perhaps JT placed too much faith in both Barclay and the D. Perhaps he should have been more aggresive on both sides of the ball. Perhaps X. Perhaps Y. I honestly don't know.

What I do know is that JT has just coached OSU to it's 5th straight B10 title and is 7-1 against UM, and even with the recent failings, is 4-4 in bowl games including 3-3 in BCS games. It may not always work, and it's almost never pretty, but I'll be damned if it isn't effective more times than not.

FWIW, looking back at the game, I am far more frustrated by the defensive calls than I am by the offensive.

:oh:
 
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Buckeneye;1595975; said:
92-21 compared to 8-15, lets not try to use scUM fans or DR as a measuring stick :biggrin:
Wasn't meant as a comparison by any means. They're not now, nor will ever be close. I'm just saying, having concerns and voicing them in a constructive manner doesn't make you any less of a fan (which seems to be implied by some folks). I'd argue that blind faith is much worse. That's what's going on up north...or was. They're beginning to wake up and see the horrors around them now. We have an abundance of riches here, but tOSU and Jim Tressel are far from perfect.

Yes, we are somewhat spoiled as a fanbase. But, pointing out some things you didn't like is not "bitching". People crossing into the "we need a new OC!!!!!!11!!!1!!" schtick is bitching.
 
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Bucky Katt;1596011; said:
FWIW, looking back at the game, I am far more frustrated by the defensive calls than I am by the offensive.

:oh:

I agree. I predicted a comfortable win because I thought the D would pressure that young QB with more blitz packages than he could handle.

The obvious assumption is that JT and staff calculated that a conservative defense would be adequate to secure a W. And as BKB noted, one less week of film for TSUN.

Still, I'm not satisfied. Did the coaches not trust their secondary? Were there injuries that we don't know about? Or, was this all about studying tendancies and playing percentages?

:io:
 
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lvbuckeye;1595750; said:
i read about the first 30 comments. then quit. because the vast majority what i read was ABSOLUTE HORSE[censored].

how about you people acknowledge the fact that Iowa was a valiant opponent, give some credit to the coaches on the other side of the field, and celebrate winning the Big Ten title with some class?

cripes we've got some spoiled fans! WE JUST WON THE BIG TEN. and you people are bitching like we just watched another John F. Cooper late- season swoon.

I hate comments like these. I don't think OSU fans should ever be completely satisfied unless they have won at least one national championship in the last 3-5 years. It's one thing to call for a new head coach. Most here realize that the last eight years have been one of the best 8-year spans in the program's history and are not even close to calling for Tressel's resignation. But if national championships are not being won we are going to be trying to break down reasons for why that might be happening. Disagree with the Iowa game's criticism and think it was a well coached game? Cool, reasonable minds can disagree and debate. Getting upset because fans are not happy with ONLY big ten championships at a top program like OSU? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Constructive, well-reasoned criticism is what makes a forum relevant. Does anyone think JT and his staff are sitting in meetings today patting themselves on the back?

What kind of constructive analysis do you think they are engaging in presently?

I suppose they might be saying something like, "Our punter wasn't kicking well, we had no return game, our PK was bound to be nervous, and that #16 was throwing pretty well...I think we might have played that one a little tight. What should we have done differently?"
 
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LordJeffBuck;1595629; said:
Eh, win some, lose some, I guess....

As far as the lack of blitzing, I can think of two reasons why they did it: (1) they were afraid of the TE finding large holes in the middle of the field, and (2) they were afraid that the QB would roll out away from the blitz, which would negate the blitz, and allow him to find mis-matches down the field in man coverage or to gain yards running the ball. Both fears may have been somewhat justified, but in my very humble opinion, the possibility of rattling Vandenberg early on and forcing him to made bad decisions/plays, and thus possibly eliminating him as factor for the entire game, should have outweighed those fears ... and if he read the blitzes and beat the pressure and made the plays, then so be it ... and then you dial it back to vanilla schemes.

I am very happy that we are able to go to a BCS bowl in a rebuilding year, especially as Big Ten champs to the Rose Bowl. That said, I agree entirely with LJB.
 
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The only game that this can be compared to is the Navy game. JT was ultra aggressive to end that game and almost gave it away. Everyone said he should have been conservative and kick the FG. He pulled a Bellichek and it backfired with a 80+ yard TD pass. Followed by TP throwing a pick and giving them a short field. With 11 minutes to go and up 14, momentum in the stadium rolling, run game rolling, you pack it in with your Championship level D and play the "you have to drive to beat us, everything underneath". An aggressive call beat him in the USC game(Mcknight's reception really won that game) and against Texas. They run a kick back the next play (I think the team relaxed as much as the stadium did) and it was time to get all jacked up again. Bucks had 2 drives following the KO return. One starting at the OSU 40... moved it to the 27 then a 3 yard loss which is not common with the way we were running. That 3 yards may have made Barclay's FG, who knows. Short field... couple of "luck or opportunistic" plays. And then there was 2:40 left and the game was tied. 1 first down. Then a 3rd and 5, was a screen the best idea? Tress must have thought a hard rush was coming and you give it to your back with open space and trust them to get the first or the clock rolls and IOWA uses a TO. If it works then Herron gets the ball to what? the 40-45? Then you take your shots to get the ball into FG range. So we have a 10 page thread over 2-3 plays. Herron's 3rd down run. And a screen to Herron on 3rd and 5 at the OSU 34. What should have been called?
 
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NFBuck;1595863; said:
So we should all just shut up and color?
If you want me to shut up and color, somebody better be gettin' me the full 64-crayon set.

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I wasn't able to watch the game, but I did see some highlights from the TiVo. That being said, it was awesome to watch the end of the game and see the whole team jumping around with Barclay on the field. I was very excited. Of course, I didn't have to endure the play calling and the frustration throughout the game as some did.

Still, I can't really blame the offense either. It's not like the offense didn't move the ball or score. 24 points isn't great but it's not bad either against Iowa. I've been hoping for a little more open play calling from JT, but it hasn't happened as much quite yet. I was very frustrated during the Purdue game to the point of turning it off in the first time in 5 years.

But anyway, I think there will be a much different game plan this week or Mchgn. Hopefully Pryor can be used more and has healed up a bit. I'm just happy to get to a BCS game after watching the Purdue game and wondering if the team would get to 9 wins even after the bowl game. Of course OSU needs to keep improving, but I think it will be very cool to watch them in the Rose Bowl for the first time since 97.
 
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We need to stop worrying about just another major bowl game and start to think about winning one for a change. It was been awhile and we need to get back on track. We are the cream of the crop in the Big Ten but seem to fold when it comes to the major bowls. I have a feeling this is our year though. The team has rebounded nicely since that defeat to Purdue. I think Tressel will have them ready to play and be all business. I can smell the Roses from here.
 
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coolriverjohn;1596742; said:
We need to stop worrying about just another major bowl game and start to think about winning one for a change. It was been awhile and we need to get back on track. We are the cream of the crop in the Big Ten but seem to fold when it comes to the major bowls. I have a feeling this is our year though. The team has rebounded nicely since that defeat to Purdue. I think Tressel will have them ready to play and be all business. I can smell the Roses from here.


Agree, I have a good feeling that this team will represent well in the Rose Bowl game. Pryor should be rested and healed for the most part and the team has come together the past couple of weeks. If the OL can get even better the O will be formidable.
 
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