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(4) I knew there would be many questioning the manner in which OSU won. Woody1968 hit it on the head when he posted if we had better special team play on the kickoff, this questioning manner would not be an issue. Hell, if Barclay hits his FG in regulation, this would not be an issue. If Rolle doesn't interfere with Chekwa's INT that magically for Iowa ends up being a reception, this would not be an issue. All I care about is that a W was recorded yesterday.
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My biggest issue with this is that a majority of these plays happened mid to late 4th quarter. The game shouldn't have even been close at that point. Kick-off return and all. I'd still have a problem with the gameplan, even if we win the game by 14-21 points. They took the air out of the ball way too early, especially when Terrelle was showing a great amount of poise.

A look at their second drives.....One thing really sticks out to me. The drives where throws are mixed in, seem to be way more effective. That doesn;t include the 48 yard run by Saine on the first play of the drive. One thing to consider, was at that point in the game, you'd have to think even if Saine was stuffed for zero yards, Tressel was going 2 more run plays....it was ball control and clock killing time with the lead.

3rd Quarter Ohio St. -
15:00 OHSt kicked off, touchback Iowa -

Iowa
15:00 1st-10, Iowa 20 15:00
A. Robinson rushed to the right for 9 yard gain 2nd-1, Iowa 29 14:17
A. Robinson rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain 1st-10, Iowa 38 13:46
J. Vandenberg passed to D. Johnson-Koulianos down the middle for 55 yard gain 1st-7, OHSt 7 13:19
A. Robinson rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 2nd-4, OHSt 4 12:32
A. Robinson rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss 3rd-5, OHSt 5 11:50
J. Vandenberg incomplete pass to the left 4th-5, OHSt 5 11:47
D. Murray missed a 22-yard field goalOhio St. - 11:43 1st-10, OHSt 20 11:43

Ohio State
B. Saine rushed to the left for 3 yard gain 2nd-7, OHSt 23 11:06
B. Saine rushed to the right for 6 yard gain 3rd-1, OHSt 29 10:33
B. Saine rushed to the left for no gain. B. Saine fumbled. B. Saine recovered fumble 4th-1, OHSt 29 9:27
J. Thoma punt, no return Iowa - 9:22 1st-10, Iowa 34 9:22

Iowa
A. Robinson rushed to the left for 5 yard gain 2nd-5, Iowa 38 9:01
J. Vandenberg passed to T. Moeaki down the middle for 4 yard gain 3rd-1, Iowa 4 28:24
Iowa committed 5 yard penalty 3rd-6, Iowa 37 8:02
J. Vandenberg incomplete pass down the middle 4th-6, Iowa 37 7:55
R. Donahue punt. R. Small returned punt for 8 yards Ohio St. - 7:45 1st-10, OHSt30 7:45

Ohio State
D. Herron rushed to the right for 4 yard gain 2nd-6, OHSt34 7:10
D. Herron rushed to the right for 3 yard gain 3rd-3, OHSt 37 6:31
T. Pryor rushed up the middle for 12 yard loss 4th-15, OHSt 25 5:53
J. Thoma punt, no return Iowa - 5:47 1st-10, Iowa 44 5:47

Iowa
J. Vandenberg passed to D. Johnson-Koulianos to the right for 4 yard gain 2nd-6, Iowa 48 5:16
A. Robinson rushed to the left for 6 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 46 4:55
J. Vandenberg passed to M. McNutt down the middle for 33 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 13 4:23
A. Robinson rushed to the right for 4 yard gain 2nd-6, OHSt 9 3:40
J. Vandenberg incomplete pass to the right 3rd-6, OHSt 9 3:35
J. Vandenberg passed to M. McNutt to the right for 9 yard touchdown. D. Murray made PAT Iowa - 3:31

Iowa kicked off, R. Small returned kickoff for 21 yards Ohio St. - 3:29 1st-10, OHSt 21 3:29

Ohio State
T. Pryor passed to D. Sanzenbacher to the right for 7 yard gain 2nd-3, OHSt 28 3:03
D. Herron rushed to the right for 4 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 32 2:34
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 2nd-7, OHSt 35 2:02
T. Pryor passed to J. Ballard to the right for 17 yard gain 1st-10, Iowa 48 1:28
T. Pryor rushed to the left for 2 yard gain 2nd-8, Iowa 46 0:51
D. Herron rushed to the left for 3 yard gain 3rd-5, Iowa 43 0:16
T. Pryor passed to D. Carter to the right for 13 yard gain 4th Quarter Ohio St. continued 1st-10, Iowa 30 15:00
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 3 yard loss 2nd-13, Iowa 33 14:18
T. Pryor passed to J. Ballard to the left for 3 yard gain 3rd-10, Iowa 30 13:38
T. Pryor rushed up the middle for 19 yard gain 1st-10, Iowa 11 13:10
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 11 yard touchdown. D. Barclay made PAT Ohio St. - 13:03

OHSt kicked off, touchback Iowa - 13:03 1st-10, Iowa 20 13:03

Iowa
J. Vandenberg passed to M. McNutt to the right for 4 yard gain 2nd-6, Iowa 24 12:22
A. Robinson rushed to the left for 25 yard gain 1st-10, Iowa 49 11:42
J. Vandenberg incomplete pass to the right 2nd-10, Iowa 49 11:38
Iowa committed 5 yard penalty 2nd-15, Iowa 44 11:38
J. Vandenberg incomplete pass to the right 3rd-15, Iowa 44 11:32
R. Homan intercepted J. Vandenberg for 16 yards. OHSt committed 10 yard penalty Ohio St. - 11:19 1st-10, Iowa 49 11:19

Ohio State
B. Saine rushed to the left for 49 yard touchdown. D. Barclay made PAT Ohio St. - 11:11 OHSt kicked off,

Iowa
D. Johnson-Koulianos returned kickoff for 99 yard touchdown Iowa - 10:56

Iowa kicked off, no return. Iowa committed 15 yard penalty Ohio St. - 10:56 1st-10, Iowa 45 10:56

Ohio State
D. Herron rushed to the right for no gain 2nd-10, Iowa 45 10:16
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 8 yard gain 3rd-2, Iowa 37 9:49
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 8 yard gain 1st-10, Iowa 29 9:20
D. Herron rushed to the right for 1 yard loss 2nd-11, Iowa 30 8:41
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 3rd-8, Iowa 27 8:00
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 3 yard loss 4th-11, Iowa 30 7:15
D. Barclay missed a 47-yard field goal Iowa - 7:11 1st-10, Iowa 30 7:11

Iowa
A. Robinson rushed to the right for 3 yard loss 2nd-13, Iowa 27 6:36
J. Vandenberg passed to T. Moeaki to the right for 8 yard gain 3rd-5, Iowa 35 5:49
OHSt committed 5 yard penalty 1st-10, Iowa 40 5:40
J. Vandenberg passed to C. Sandeman to the left for 13 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 47 5:12
J. Vandenberg passed to T. Moeaki to the right for 17 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 30 4:42
A. Robinson rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 2nd-7, OHSt 27 3:58
J. Vandenberg passed to M. McNutt to the right for 14 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 13 3:28
A. Robinson rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 2nd-7, OHSt 10 2:46
J. Vandenberg passed to M. McNutt to the right for 10 yard touchdown. D. Murray made PAT Iowa - 2:42

Iowa kicked off, R. Small returned kickoff for 14 yards Ohio St. - 2:37 1st-10, OHSt 18 2:37

Ohio State
T. Pryor rushed to the right for 9 yard gain 2nd-1, OHSt 27 2:11
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain 1st-10, OHSt 29 1:44
T. Pryor rushed to the left for 2 yard gain 2nd-8, OHSt 31 1:37
T. Pryor passed to R. Small to the right for 3 yard gain 3rd-5, OHSt 34 1:09
T. Pryor passed to D. Herron to the left for 3 yard loss 4th-8, OHSt 31 0:59
J. Thoma punt, no return Iowa - 0:52 1st-10, Iowa 33 0:52

Iowa
A. Robinson rushed up the middle for no gain 2nd-10, Iowa 33 0:02
Iowa committed 5 yard penalty 2nd-15, Iowa 28 0:02
Player rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

OT
Iowa
Iowa 1st-10, OHSt 25 J. Vandenberg incomplete pass to the right 2nd-10, OHSt 25
A. Robinson rushed to the right for 6 yard loss 3rd-16, OHSt 31
J. Vandenberg rushed up the middle for 10 yard loss 4th-26, OHSt 41
A. Russell intercepted J. Vandenberg for no gain

Ohio State
Ohio St. 1st-10, Iowa 25 D. Herron rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss 2nd-12, Iowa 27
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain 3rd-10, Iowa 25
D. Herron rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain 4th-7, Iowa 22
D. Barclay kicked a 39-yard field goal
 
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I have an honest question for everyone. Do we simply not have an offense that can run the score up on someone? I feel like we take the foot off the gas too early and that is never good in any aspect of life more of then not. I wish we could hammer people like Boise does. Is this something JT is against?
 
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BuckeyeGuy513;1595653; said:
I have an honest question for everyone. Do we simply not have an offense that can run the score up on someone? I feel like we take the foot off the gas too early and that is never good in any aspect of life more of then not. I wish we could hammer people like Boise does. Is this something JT is against?
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It's not how the offense is built. At all.
 
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muffler dragon;1595658; said:
Then go root for Boise. If style points is your thang; then there are plenty of other teams that will fit the bill. I realize this may sound brutal, but it's either get over your frustration or move on.
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I agree with one proviso...if you win a close Rose Bowl via Tresselball, then the answer is self explanatory. If that same strategy results in a beatdown from your PAC-10 opponent, then it opens up the specter that has haunted this board off and on for a few years - the question of whether the style of play is enough to win the Big-10, but that feat is its accomplishment zenith. What worked in 2002 might not be as productive, see Spurrier's domination of the SEC in 1990 and the DC's of the world finally catching up with him.

That question is of course muddled by the fact that every game is different, injuries and distractions can affect the game, and the reason for losing a game with the changing personnel differs from year to year, making trends somewhat speculative. Still, a fan can root for his or her team to perform better in any number of ways and still be a fan. No need for anyone to go root for Boise, any more than I need to become a Bronco fan despite my unhappiness with the Gators poor red zone production and other offensive woes. I'm happy we are 10-0, I wish we could get better production out of receivers other than Hernandez and Cooper.

I'm sure everyone is happy that there are these in your near future...

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Gatorubet;1595687; said:
I agree with one proviso...if you win a close Rose Bowl via Tresselball, then the answer is self explanatory. If that same strategy results in a beatdown from your PAC-10 opponent, then it open up the specter that has haunted this board off and on for a few years - the question of whether the style of play is enough to win the Big-10, but that feat is its accomplishment zenith. What worked in 2002 might not be as productive, see Spurrier's domination of the SEC in 1990 and the DC's of the world finally catching up with him.

That question is of course muddled by the fact that every game is different, injuries and distractions can affect the game, and the reason for losing a game with the changing personnel differs from year to year, making trends somewhat speculative. Still, a fan can root for his or her team to perform better in any number of ways and still be a fan. No need for anyone to go root for Boise, any more than I need to become a Bronco fan despite my unhappiness with the Gators poor red zone production and other offensive woes. I'm happy we are 10-0, I wish we could get better production out of receivers other than Hernandez and Cooper.
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Improvement is something that I (and the team, I'm sure) will always be up for. However, a regularity of "beat downs" just isn't going to happen. Sure, we take a few teams out to the wood shed about once or twice a season, but it's not going to happen with any more frequency than that. It hasn't since JT has been here. Therefore, to wish for something that just isn't going to happen, is, IMO, a frustration that should be dealt with or a cause for a different personal direction.

I should also note that I tend to place Bowl placement and outcomes as the tertiary consideration on a season:

1) Beat TSUN.
2) Win the Big Ten.
3) Go to a Bowl and perform well.

Furthermore, just to put my negativity in perspective, I'll throw this out...

The Buckeyes go to three NC in this decade. They win one and lose two. The first loss is an ass-whipping, and the second is a game that was bad but not as much as the first. This is the National Championship. The first one the Buckeyes deserved to be in, the second they were overmatched and no one else in the nation decided to put on a jockstrap and take what they maybe should have. Anyway... then we have this year...

The Buckeyes lose two close games (one in the 'Shoe and one away). Sure, we should have beat Purdue. But it's a negative that's been turned into a positive. The Buckeyes have rebounded and are now achieiving Big Ten history again.

Yet, on the other coast, we have USC. Two games in one season they get absolutely thrashed, and there's hardly a peep. Quite a telling situation in my opinion on just how much bullshit there is with regard to how pundits like to portray things. But that's a topic for another thread.
 
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Duane is spot on in his analysis. For the above stat lover that saw a different game than I where OSU was 'pounding' for over 200 yards and 4.5 ypc....you take out 4 runs and OSU rushed 47 times for a 2.7 ypc. You take out six plays and OSU rushed 45 times for 2.4 ypc and passed for less than 100 yards and only 6 yards per completion. That is what Duane is talking about
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This is what happens when you play an excellent d-line (better than ours IMO), packing the box, and relying on your outstanding cornerbacks to keep the wideouts from getting behind them. I was mightily impressed with Iowa's defense, and I think scoring 24 against them is a very good performance. The long runs are what you can get if you can spring a back into the secondary, especially one with Saine's magnificent speed.

Our problem on Saturday was not the offense, IMO. Special teams failures and a couple of long pass plays we gave up were the problem. OTOH, special teams success was what won it in OT, so we end up with a net positive.

I now look back at the Iowa win feeling much better about the Buckeyes than I did when I left the stadium.
 
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BuckeyeGuy513;1595653; said:
I have an honest question for everyone. Do we simply not have an offense that can run the score up on someone?
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Tressel would rather score 14 in a given time period, against a good opponent, than use tactics designed to either score 28 or possibly lead to 3 turnovers. It's a matter of priorities, and Coach Tressel's priorities are wildly divergent from those of fans -- except that of winning nearly every game, of course. :tongue2:
 
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It's freaking Michigan week and half of you guys are crying about how we played in yesterday's win. Why would anything be on your mind besides that team up north and what is going to happen in 6 days? I am not even thinking about the Rose Bowl. Who cares about that this week.

Go Bucks!!!
Beat Michigan!!!
QUIT WORRYING ABOUT IOWA!!!!!!

You all are fans...not college football coaches. Quit trying to act like one.
 
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