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Impending Assistant Coach Vacancies

Ryan Day and Jeff Hafley were largely "who?" hires when they came on. Nobody knew if Hartline could coach or recruit. All 3 were homeruns...hell, grand slams. I know it's cliché, but I think the program has earned some benefit of the doubt and we should "trust the coaches" if they go that way.

I know Bammer just seems to pick and chose who they want, but as hard as it is to admit, we aren't Bammer and Ryan Day doesn't have the cache of Nick Saban.

I largely agree. But the two names listed by Austin Ward that I reacted to are not Hafley or Day. They aren’t the best candidates to fix the issues that plagued OSU last year.

I’ll venture off to say that even if coach Coombs is allowed to call his own defense, neither one of those guys are making the defense better.
 
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I largely agree. But the two names listed by Austin Ward that I reacted to are not Hafley or Day. They aren’t the best candidates to fix the issues that plagued OSU last year.

I’ll venture off to say that even if coach Coombs is allowed to call his own defense, neither one of those guys are making the defense better.
How do we know, though?

Day was the QB Coach for a terrible 49ers team the year prior to coming to Columbus. He didn't have anything on his resume indicating he would be a great addition other than working with Chip Kelly. Hafley was the DB coach on bad 49ers defenses and bad Browns defenses before that. The year before coming to Columbus, his DBs in SF intercepted 2 passes all season, the pass defense allowed an absurd 105.4 QBR against them and that defense as a whole was last in the league in a number of categories.

Yeah, I'd prefer a known quantity, too; just saying if they go looking for young, energetic coaches with untapped potential...well, we've been pretty successful there the past few years.
 
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How do we know, though?

Day was the QB Coach for a terrible 49ers team the year prior to coming to Columbus. He didn't have anything on his resume indicating he would be a great addition other than working with Chip Kelly. Hafley was the DB coach on bad 49ers defenses and bad Browns defenses before that. The year before coming to Columbus, his DBs in SF intercepted 2 passes all season, the pass defense allowed an absurd 105.4 QBR against them and that defense as a whole was last in the league in a number of categories.

Yeah, I'd prefer a known quantity, too; just saying if they go looking for young, energetic coaches with untapped potential...well, we've been pretty successful there the past few years.
Yeah I agree with you and others who are going with trusting the coaches over just making big name hires for the sake of notoriety. I don't remember hardly anyone knowing who Ryan Day, Hafley, Chris Ash, or Tom Herman were prior to OSU. Day just hasn't been in the game long enough to be able to put random former HCs on speed dial and hire them up. We wanted a young, energetic coach, and that's what we got, and I see him surrounding himself with other young hungry coaches and a mix of veterans. And it's funny that the only former HC we hired, turned our defense into an utter shit show...

And just a question, but how well known were guys like CHarlie Strong and Dan Mullen before their success with Meyer? I could be wrong and maybe they were known, but I didn't think that they were
 
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How do we know, though?

Day was the QB Coach for a terrible 49ers team the year prior to coming to Columbus. He didn't have anything on his resume indicating he would be a great addition other than working with Chip Kelly. Hafley was the DB coach on bad 49ers defenses and bad Browns defenses before that. The year before coming to Columbus, his DBs in SF intercepted 2 passes all season, the pass defense allowed an absurd 105.4 QBR against them and that defense as a whole was last in the league in a number of categories.

Yeah, I'd prefer a known quantity, too; just saying if they go looking for young, energetic coaches with untapped potential...well, we've been pretty successful there the past few years.

I won’t profess to act like I knew his entire history but I knew of Ryan Day because, when he got to Columbus, he was two years removed from coaching Sam Bradford to career highs at the time. He’d been coaching at the college and NFL level for 15 years. Jeff Hafley was an unknown, but he had a background in what Ryan Day wants to run. He’d also been coaching at both levels for 16 years.


Them being relatively unknown isn’t even my issue. My issue is that, coming off of having the 122nd ranked pass defense in the country, I don’t have a lot of confidence in guys that were graduate assistants 3 years ago to help fix it. Birm threw out the name of Minnestoa Vikings assistant Roy Anderson as a potential hire. I have no idea who he his. But he’s been coaching for 19 years and has experience running the single high defense. I would not be upset with that.
 
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Birm threw out the name of Minnestoa Vikings assistant Roy Anderson as a potential hire. I have no idea who he his. But he’s been coaching for 19 years and has experience running the single high defense. I would not be upset with that.
Good find. I saw they added his name to a print version of options on Lettermen Row today. Wasn’t mentioned on the earlier Mattison retirement reax video earlier. Looks like he was on that 2016 49ers staff with Day and Hafley. Would fit the mold of a younger guy with pro and college experience (but mostly pro).
 
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And just a question, but how well known were guys like CHarlie Strong and Dan Mullen before their success with Meyer? I could be wrong and maybe they were known, but I didn't think that they were

Charlie Strong was already the DC at Florida when Urban got there. He was actually the interim head coach between Zook and Urban. Dan Mullen was with Urban at Notre Dame before he left with him to go to Bowling Green.
 
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I won’t profess to act like I knew his entire history but I knew of Ryan Day because, when he got to Columbus, he was two years removed from coaching Sam Bradford to career highs at the time. He’d been coaching at the college and NFL level for 15 years. Jeff Hafley was an unknown, but he had a background in what Ryan Day wants to run. He’d also been coaching at both levels for 16 years.


Them being relatively unknown isn’t even my issue. My issue is that, coming off of having the 122nd ranked pass defense in the country, I don’t have a lot of confidence in guys that were graduate assistants 3 years ago to help fix it. Birm threw out the name of Minnestoa Vikings assistant Roy Anderson as a potential hire. I have no idea who he his. But he’s been coaching for 19 years and has experience running the single high defense. I would not be upset with that.
And that’s fair. All I’m saying is don’t automatically poo poo any unknown/inexperienced hires because you never know what you’re going to get. Brian Hartline had zero coaching experience and 1 year here as a GA before getting the WR coach gig and he’s been an absolute beast. I’d feel better about a known quantity, too, but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.
Kevin Wilson says hello. Also, Schiano wasn't bad until he had to work alongside a malcontent.
Yeah, Schiano gets shat on a lot, but his 2016 & 2017 defenses were very good. It wasn’t until Alex Grinch came along in 2018 that it went to shit. I’d tend to lay that blame more on him and Urban for muddying the waters bringing him on.
 
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Yeah, Schiano gets shat on a lot, but his 2016 & 2017 defenses were very good. It wasn’t until Alex Grinch came along in 2018 that it went to shit. I’d tend to lay that blame more on him and Urban for muddying the waters bringing him on.
Schiano was supposed to be the HC at Tennessee, so the waters were muddied by that whole fiasco going south more than any deliberate decision by Urban or anyone else involved.

But I do agree with laying the blame on Grinch who didn’t appear to put much effort into much of anything during his time in Columbus.
 
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Schiano was supposed to be the HC at Tennessee, so the waters were muddied by that whole fiasco going south more than any deliberate decision by Urban or anyone else involved.

But I do agree with laying the blame on Grinch who didn’t appear to put much effort into much of anything during his time in Columbus.

Yeah, the whole Tennessee fiasco threw an extra wrench in 2018. Schiano was not happy and seemed more interested in running a defense with 11 moving parts while Grinch spent the majority of his time sulking because has was supposed to be the head honcho and instead had to play second fiddle for a year.
 
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And that’s fair. All I’m saying is don’t automatically poo poo any unknown/inexperienced hires because you never know what you’re going to get. Brian Hartline had zero coaching experience and 1 year here as a GA before getting the WR coach gig and he’s been an absolute beast. I’d feel better about a known quantity, too, but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt.

Again, them being a known quantity isn’t my issue. I don’t care if they went to the deepest parts of the Amazon to find a coach. As long has he has experience doing what Day wants to do on defense, I’m fine with it.

If they’re hiring a position coach, then that would be equivalent to your Hartline analogy. But if they’re hiring someone to fill Mattison’s role, it’s not “poo-poo’ing” the candidates if I say that I’d prefer someone with experience. What we say doesn’t matter in the process anyway lol.

There’s talk of them shuffling the staff and elevating some guys, so they could just be hiring a new position coach. That’s an entirely different situation than and gives them more options. But is that the answer?
 
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In a season unlike any other, the Buckeyes had one of the more bi-polar units in the nation. The 2020 Silver Bullets were truly elite when it came to stopping the run last fall, finishing with the sixth-best run defense. But as good as they were at stuffing opposing ground game, they were the exact opposite at defending the pass, finishing with sixth-worst such performance among all FBS programs.

Now, with so much focus on how the back end of his defense must improve over the next eight months, Ryan Day will be forced to find answers without one of his most trusted advisors. After 49 years in the profession, co-defensive coordinator Greg Mattison is retiring at the age of 71, leaving Day to replace a leader on that side of the ball for the third straight year.

"His career speaks to itself," Day said of the former coordinator at Michigan, Notre Dame, Florida, and the Baltimore Ravens. "What he’s done and accomplished on the field but more importantly, it’s what he’s done off the field. The relationship and respect he has around the country as one of the best coaches, and the impact he’s had on so many people."

Though the primary play-caller of the OSU defense, Kerry Coombs, remains in place, Mattison is believed to have played a pivotal role in both the development of weekly game plans and of younger coaches like Al Washington (linebackers) and Matt Barnes (safeties and special teams). With this opening on his staff, Day faces a critical decision: whether to continue reliance on the single-high system he envisioned upon taking over as head coach in 2019 or to diversify following the mixed results of the past season.

"Anybody who has a background in four-down, single-high defense certainly would fit quicker," Day told reporters over Zoom on Friday when asked about who might replace Mattison. "But then also bringing in somebody that has a little bit more of a diverse background can give us different perspective, and areas where we can maximize who we have. And I think that’s what’s important, because we try to do that all the time on offense, and I think that that’s going to be important to what we do on defense, is based on who we have that year, what gives us the best chance to be successful?"

Many within the fanbase will clamor to hire a beloved former player with connections to the program, while others will decry anyone without a proven track record of recruiting. Some within the media have already begun speculating on specific former colleagues Day worked with in the past, mimicking the hire of a then-unknown defensive backs coach named Jeff Hafley in January 2019.

But the Buckeyes' head coach has a number of options available, none of which are guaranteed to deliver success.
 
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